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Am I the only one who (despite seeing the irony of the resulting situation) thinks that what was said was way out of line? I honestly cannot believe even an idiot could think of publishing such a thing. :omg: It is being earmarked over here with the resolution "why can't they all just settle down and have a beer together" - that is just as f**king bad. Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. Christian Graus wrote: What is WRONG with people ? Minor correction. :((
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David Wulff wrote: Am I the only one who [...] thinks that what was said was way out of line? Well, from the sound of it, quite a few people in Nigeria think it was out of line. If only they had decided to make posts on CP instead of killing and burning... :| David Wulff wrote: I honestly cannot believe even an idiot could think of publishing such a thing. Next time you're in line at the supermarket, pick up a magazine or a newspaper & read the editorials - there is no shortage of idiots, and they publish all sorts of crap. Please wait until you're outside before engaging in vandalism - it's already unpleasant enough waiting in queue without someone setting fire to the last packet of fresh cheese curds. Shog9 ------
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Apparenty there was a riot because a newspaper suggested that is Mohommed lived today, he would marry a Miss World contestant, rather than reject the whole idea. Schools and shops hurriedly closed this morning as hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tyres and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city. Others were heard chanting, "Down with beauty" and "Miss World is sin". What the hell is wrong with these people ? Miss World is sin, but killing innocent people makes God happy ? Shehu Sani of the Kaduna-based Civil Rights Congress said he watched a crowd stab one young man, then force a tyre filled with petrol around his neck and burn him alive. Sani said he saw three other bodies elsewhere in the city. Alsa Hassan, founder of another human rights group, Alsa Care, said he saw a commuter being dragged out of his car and beaten to death by protesters. I wonder if this sort of thing has always gone on, and the media reports it now to help people in the west dehumanise all Muslims, to make it easier for us to join up and go and kill a few early next year. However, while the media's motives are not ever pure, I agree with what Paul asked a while ago - why is it that whenever this sort of thing goes on, it's always the same religion at the root of it ? What is WRONG with these people ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
When I look at those in my community, I find all at least speak of condemnation for acts like this. "remove offensive statement" So I conclude that this can not be really a religiously based issue and so must be a cultural conditioning that is using religion as a justification for what is being said. A friend at church was based in Pakistan must be 10 years ago and shared that you had to be careful. "Those people will riot on anything." He saw one riot that started when a camera was noticed on a passing bus. It was not being used, just hanging on the persons arm. "I will find a new sig someday."
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David Wulff wrote: Am I the only one who [...] thinks that what was said was way out of line? Well, from the sound of it, quite a few people in Nigeria think it was out of line. If only they had decided to make posts on CP instead of killing and burning... :| David Wulff wrote: I honestly cannot believe even an idiot could think of publishing such a thing. Next time you're in line at the supermarket, pick up a magazine or a newspaper & read the editorials - there is no shortage of idiots, and they publish all sorts of crap. Please wait until you're outside before engaging in vandalism - it's already unpleasant enough waiting in queue without someone setting fire to the last packet of fresh cheese curds. Shog9 ------
I hope I die naive - Paul Watson, Partners and their dreams
Shog9 wrote: Next time you're in line at the supermarket, pick up a magazine or a newspaper & read the editorials - there is no shortage of idiots, and they publish all sorts of crap. Have to agree with you here. If they were not BIG sellers they would not be by the checkout lines X| :rolleyes: "I will find a new sig someday."
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When I look at those in my community, I find all at least speak of condemnation for acts like this. "remove offensive statement" So I conclude that this can not be really a religiously based issue and so must be a cultural conditioning that is using religion as a justification for what is being said. A friend at church was based in Pakistan must be 10 years ago and shared that you had to be careful. "Those people will riot on anything." He saw one riot that started when a camera was noticed on a passing bus. It was not being used, just hanging on the persons arm. "I will find a new sig someday."
Ah thanks, that was what I was trying to push, albeit somewhat unsucessfully it seems.
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When I look at those in my community, I find all at least speak of condemnation for acts like this. "remove offensive statement" So I conclude that this can not be really a religiously based issue and so must be a cultural conditioning that is using religion as a justification for what is being said. A friend at church was based in Pakistan must be 10 years ago and shared that you had to be careful. "Those people will riot on anything." He saw one riot that started when a camera was noticed on a passing bus. It was not being used, just hanging on the persons arm. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: So I conclude that this can not be really a religiously based issue and so must be a cultural conditioning that is using religion as a justification for what is being said. Most religious people really don't think much about what they are doing IMO, and so it all comes down to culture and points of view, really. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: He saw one riot that started when a camera was noticed on a passing bus. It was not being used, just hanging on the persons arm. Which again begs the question, what is wrong with these people ? That's not a clash of cultures, it an example of people who are out of control. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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When I look at those in my community, I find all at least speak of condemnation for acts like this. "remove offensive statement" So I conclude that this can not be really a religiously based issue and so must be a cultural conditioning that is using religion as a justification for what is being said. A friend at church was based in Pakistan must be 10 years ago and shared that you had to be careful. "Those people will riot on anything." He saw one riot that started when a camera was noticed on a passing bus. It was not being used, just hanging on the persons arm. "I will find a new sig someday."
I did some service in the Middle East and was surprised at the amount of gunfire that went off. For any excuse folk seem to fire rounds into the air. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Christian Graus wrote: And why are these people so STUPID that their response is to kill EACH OTHER ? I don't know much about Nigeria. One bit in that article caught my eye though - "The north in effect controlled Nigeria after independence until the end of military rule in 1999." A quick lookup confirms this, also noting the different ethnic groups that once divided the northern portion from the rest of Nigeria. My suspicion is this has not much to do with religion at all, but is instead another situation where a large, young population is feeling disenfranchised and powerless in their own country, and taking it out on whoever and whatever (Christians, churches, travelers...) they can find. Add to that the standard senseless violence you get with any mob, and you've a nice recipe for chaos. Shog9 ------
I hope I die naive - Paul Watson, Partners and their dreams
I agree with you. Moverover this young population lacks probably an efficient educational system, if there's even one. It's better for the petroleum multinational corporation which really rules Nigeria to have uneducated and superstitious people, they're easier to control.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a Cathedral[^]. Antoine de Saint-Exupery (1900-1944)
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David Wulff wrote: Am I the only one who (despite seeing the irony of the resulting situation) thinks that what was said was way out of line? It's probably obvious given the lack of things like freedom of speech in these countries, as they are held to ransom by fanatics, there was going to be this sort of a reaction. I dunno if Mohommed preached celibacy, or was celibate, but assuming he was not, I don't see it as being offensive. I don't see how a celibate could invent a religion where people who die killing the infidel get some number of virgins to themself in the afterlife. Or maybe he thought that way BECAUSE he was celibate. David Wulff wrote: Deliberate ignorance of other peoples values causes these horrible incidents to happen all over the world, with people of all races, ages and religions; it's just more fashionable to broadcast ones involving Muslims at the moment. I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. OK, you're probably not old enough to remember ;P, but who was behind the Inquisition? Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? "Don't point out the speck of dust in your brother's eye until you have removed the plank from your own."
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Apparenty there was a riot because a newspaper suggested that is Mohommed lived today, he would marry a Miss World contestant, rather than reject the whole idea. Schools and shops hurriedly closed this morning as hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tyres and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city. Others were heard chanting, "Down with beauty" and "Miss World is sin". What the hell is wrong with these people ? Miss World is sin, but killing innocent people makes God happy ? Shehu Sani of the Kaduna-based Civil Rights Congress said he watched a crowd stab one young man, then force a tyre filled with petrol around his neck and burn him alive. Sani said he saw three other bodies elsewhere in the city. Alsa Hassan, founder of another human rights group, Alsa Care, said he saw a commuter being dragged out of his car and beaten to death by protesters. I wonder if this sort of thing has always gone on, and the media reports it now to help people in the west dehumanise all Muslims, to make it easier for us to join up and go and kill a few early next year. However, while the media's motives are not ever pure, I agree with what Paul asked a while ago - why is it that whenever this sort of thing goes on, it's always the same religion at the root of it ? What is WRONG with these people ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. OK, you're probably not old enough to remember ;P, but who was behind the Inquisition? Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? "Don't point out the speck of dust in your brother's eye until you have removed the plank from your own."
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I'm not sure why you quote Jesus, He has nothing to do with Catholicism. In any case, those things used a veneer of religion to justify political actions. This seems to be more grass roots, where the common followers actually decide that it's good to riot and kill people. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: I find it equally strange when media do little to find the cause of such things. I thought they discussed the 'cause' ? In any case, the cause is irrelevant, the reaction is simply not rational. Fazlul Kabir wrote: But mostly, the world is currently having a overwhelming media monopoly where the other side of the stories are poorly presented. I agree that this is usually the case, in fact I think I said so in my first post. But if the action occured at all, and I presume it did, I don't see any slant on which I would agree with the action taken. Fazlul Kabir wrote: BTW, I don't see anything wrong in protesting such contests in peaceful manner, Of course not. Anyone has the right to peaceful protest, or at least they should. I don't see how that is relevant at all. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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I'm not sure why you quote Jesus, He has nothing to do with Catholicism. In any case, those things used a veneer of religion to justify political actions. This seems to be more grass roots, where the common followers actually decide that it's good to riot and kill people. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: He has nothing to do with Catholicism :laugh: "An unbeliever! Burn the heretic! Persecute! Kill!" Neither the Catholics or the Protestants accept resposibility for what the "common followers" do in Northern Ireland, so why should the Muslims take the blame for what a bunch of morons decide to do in their name? Personally, I find institutionalized persecution much scarier and more distasteful than what individuals or groups choose to do "because (God/Jehova/Allah/Buddah/Hare Krishna/Bill Gates) told (me/us) to". If a bunch of skinheads are beating you up, at least you can think, "I hope some policemen come along". When the police are beating you up, you don't tend to think, "Oh, I hope some skinheads come along". :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Christian Graus wrote: I have no recollection of any other religion ever being a focal point for this sort of behaviour. OK, you're probably not old enough to remember ;P, but who was behind the Inquisition? Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? "Don't point out the speck of dust in your brother's eye until you have removed the plank from your own."
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard_D wrote: Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Actually burning was very rare. They were usually drowned. FYI they have pretty much proven that these witchs were people on LSD trips. It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. rye bread was a staple and periods when witch hunts occured were during documented damp rainy periods. At least I find it interesting. Richard_D wrote: Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? Not just the Pope. This occurs in many (most?) fuedal states. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: I find it equally strange when media do little to find the cause of such things. I thought they discussed the 'cause' ? In any case, the cause is irrelevant, the reaction is simply not rational. Fazlul Kabir wrote: But mostly, the world is currently having a overwhelming media monopoly where the other side of the stories are poorly presented. I agree that this is usually the case, in fact I think I said so in my first post. But if the action occured at all, and I presume it did, I don't see any slant on which I would agree with the action taken. Fazlul Kabir wrote: BTW, I don't see anything wrong in protesting such contests in peaceful manner, Of course not. Anyone has the right to peaceful protest, or at least they should. I don't see how that is relevant at all. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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I did some service in the Middle East and was surprised at the amount of gunfire that went off. For any excuse folk seem to fire rounds into the air. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: For any excuse folk seem to fire rounds into the air. You should see New Year's in the Philippines. The newspapers on Jan 1st always have "Only 310 Died Last Night" and similar. And every year the number went up. There'd be articles about how some security guards would fire their guns into the streets and straight up in the air (let's seee.... what goes up must come down). We tended to try stay indoors on New Year's Eve. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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Apparenty there was a riot because a newspaper suggested that is Mohommed lived today, he would marry a Miss World contestant, rather than reject the whole idea. Schools and shops hurriedly closed this morning as hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tyres and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city. Others were heard chanting, "Down with beauty" and "Miss World is sin". What the hell is wrong with these people ? Miss World is sin, but killing innocent people makes God happy ? Shehu Sani of the Kaduna-based Civil Rights Congress said he watched a crowd stab one young man, then force a tyre filled with petrol around his neck and burn him alive. Sani said he saw three other bodies elsewhere in the city. Alsa Hassan, founder of another human rights group, Alsa Care, said he saw a commuter being dragged out of his car and beaten to death by protesters. I wonder if this sort of thing has always gone on, and the media reports it now to help people in the west dehumanise all Muslims, to make it easier for us to join up and go and kill a few early next year. However, while the media's motives are not ever pure, I agree with what Paul asked a while ago - why is it that whenever this sort of thing goes on, it's always the same religion at the root of it ? What is WRONG with these people ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
"An explosion ripped through the cargo wing of Lagos airport yesterday, killing at least one person and trapping others inside, witnesses said. Lagos is Nigeria's main airport and the busiest in West Africa. " My dad's in Nigeria right now on contract; he gets back Saturday. I hope that nothing crazy happens from now until then. :~ :~ (closest emoticon to :worried: ) That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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Richard_D wrote: Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Actually burning was very rare. They were usually drowned. FYI they have pretty much proven that these witchs were people on LSD trips. It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. rye bread was a staple and periods when witch hunts occured were during documented damp rainy periods. At least I find it interesting. Richard_D wrote: Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? Not just the Pope. This occurs in many (most?) fuedal states. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. rye bread was a staple and periods when witch hunts occured were during documented damp rainy periods. Wow! That's the coolest thing i've read all week! :-D Shog9 ------
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Stupid such as them are present in each society, they belong to each religion So true! No race, creed, profession, zodiac, or body type is immune from having stupid people in their ranks. Unfortunately, these people often are either the most vocal or display such grand stupidity that we here about them instead of their more reasonable peers. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Colin Davies wrote: For any excuse folk seem to fire rounds into the air. You should see New Year's in the Philippines. The newspapers on Jan 1st always have "Only 310 Died Last Night" and similar. And every year the number went up. There'd be articles about how some security guards would fire their guns into the streets and straight up in the air (let's seee.... what goes up must come down). We tended to try stay indoors on New Year's Eve. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
This reminds of the scene in The Mexican where the guy Brad Pitt is collecting gets mistakenly shot out in the streets because of random "guns blazing in the air" celebrating. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Richard_D wrote: Burning old women at the stake for "being a bit witchy"? Actually burning was very rare. They were usually drowned. FYI they have pretty much proven that these witchs were people on LSD trips. It has been discovered that an LSD strain naturally occurs in a rye fungus when damp conditions prevail. rye bread was a staple and periods when witch hunts occured were during documented damp rainy periods. At least I find it interesting. Richard_D wrote: Institutionalized torturing and killing of innocent people for refusing to bow down and worship the Pope? Not just the Pope. This occurs in many (most?) fuedal states. "I will find a new sig someday."
Rye, huh? Hmmmmm....... :cool: BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
