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    OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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      OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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      Stan Shannon
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      Great leaders are made, not born. Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. If there are no great issues than there can be no great leaders. If Bush, who is at best a man of average ability, is successful at managing the issue of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than he will most certainly be considered "great" by history. No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. The sad thing to me is that the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator. A benevolent dictator, by definition, must be of enormous intellectual capacity and personal charisma. Bush, being conservative, does not promote the concept of benevolent dictatorship such as Bill Clinton (and his ilk) does. So Bush is dispised by the world and loved by Americans, and Clinton is loved by the world and dispised by Americans. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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        Great leaders are made, not born. Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. If there are no great issues than there can be no great leaders. If Bush, who is at best a man of average ability, is successful at managing the issue of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than he will most certainly be considered "great" by history. No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. The sad thing to me is that the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator. A benevolent dictator, by definition, must be of enormous intellectual capacity and personal charisma. Bush, being conservative, does not promote the concept of benevolent dictatorship such as Bill Clinton (and his ilk) does. So Bush is dispised by the world and loved by Americans, and Clinton is loved by the world and dispised by Americans. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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        I never really considered that much... Why do you think that so many people in the world seem to be perfectly fine ruled by a dictator? Is it simply easier to allow your life to be run by someone who controls every facet of your existence? Are they just politically or personally lazy to not want to have a personal direction to their own lives? Paul Watson wrote: At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall.

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          Great leaders are made, not born. Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. If there are no great issues than there can be no great leaders. If Bush, who is at best a man of average ability, is successful at managing the issue of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than he will most certainly be considered "great" by history. No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. The sad thing to me is that the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator. A benevolent dictator, by definition, must be of enormous intellectual capacity and personal charisma. Bush, being conservative, does not promote the concept of benevolent dictatorship such as Bill Clinton (and his ilk) does. So Bush is dispised by the world and loved by Americans, and Clinton is loved by the world and dispised by Americans. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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          Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c


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            Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c


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            Chris Austin
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            The poor bastard. I am convinced he is dyslexic (sp?) or has some other learning disorder. Not to bash him though, I hated Clintion just as much :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

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              Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c


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              "I did not have sex with that woman!" William Jefferson Clinton If a quote is all it takes to label a person, I'd like to see you admit Clinton was a liar. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                Great leaders are made, not born. Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. If there are no great issues than there can be no great leaders. If Bush, who is at best a man of average ability, is successful at managing the issue of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than he will most certainly be considered "great" by history. No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. The sad thing to me is that the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator. A benevolent dictator, by definition, must be of enormous intellectual capacity and personal charisma. Bush, being conservative, does not promote the concept of benevolent dictatorship such as Bill Clinton (and his ilk) does. So Bush is dispised by the world and loved by Americans, and Clinton is loved by the world and dispised by Americans. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                Stan Shannon wrote: Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. He's not an average guy anymore then. Stan Shannon wrote: No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. Maybe not with this issue, but every nation has its share of issues that need to addresses, whether they are economic, medicinal, educational, racial, administrative, whatever... Every current leader is in the position to make positive changes in their own nation towards any and all of these goals. (if they aren't then they aren't really the nations leaders) I don't think you need a great world crisis to be considered "great". You can be a great leader by dealing successfully with the issues at hand, and carving a path of continued success for your nation. Granted it will usually take some time to see if a leaders decision were indeed wise enough to call them great, but you can get a feel for someone who is heading down that road, before he's deemed "a great leader". BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                  "I did not have sex with that woman!" William Jefferson Clinton If a quote is all it takes to label a person, I'd like to see you admit Clinton was a liar. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                  here's a crazy idea: try to defend GWB on his own merits. see if you can complete a positive thought about GWB without using the word "Clinton". give it a try. -c


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                    here's a crazy idea: try to defend GWB on his own merits. see if you can complete a positive thought about GWB without using the word "Clinton". give it a try. -c


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                    He got UN inspectors back into Iraq. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                      OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                      (Sorry, french) http://www.cyberpresse.ca/droit/editorial/[^] :laugh::laugh::laugh: Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
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                        He got UN inspectors back into Iraq. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                        that's true. i'm willing to give him that point. -c


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                          Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c


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                          "You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                            I never really considered that much... Why do you think that so many people in the world seem to be perfectly fine ruled by a dictator? Is it simply easier to allow your life to be run by someone who controls every facet of your existence? Are they just politically or personally lazy to not want to have a personal direction to their own lives? Paul Watson wrote: At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall.

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                            Ray Cassick wrote: Is it simply easier to allow your life to be run by someone who controls every facet of your existence? It think that is generally true. Everyone wants to be free until they find out how much personal responsibility is involved in being trully free, than they want "big daddy government" there to help them out. That is why liberals hate conservatives - they think we are tyring to kill their daddy, and we are. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              "You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              Stan Shannon wrote: I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. i do. the president in general, and bush in particular via his cabinet's liberal interpretation of the constitution, has such a lot of power (such as invading countries without congressionial approval) that i expect (demand?) that the person who sits in the seat should be able to make the best decisions possible. this is the president of the friggin homeowner's association. this guy has his finger on The Button, for fuck's sake. -c


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                                Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c


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                                That depends on what is is Willie

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                                  (Sorry, french) http://www.cyberpresse.ca/droit/editorial/[^] :laugh::laugh::laugh: Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
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                                  Nice, but the arrow should be pointing upwards...

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                                    "You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                    I think a leader such as the US President, has to be intelligent enough to select the right people to be advisers and the right advice to listen to. The US Presidency might be embodied in one individual, but I suspect it is really a very large team, where the President is really just the chief spokesperson for the team. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                                      OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                                      The last one I knew of here was Robert Muldoon. PM for 10+ yrs and President of the World Bank simultaneously. He was extrely well read and could hold an advanced conversation on virtually any topic. A friend of mine was a guide for him when he visited an oil exploration rig. He had read a couple of papers on oil exploration technology the night before apparently and was up to date with the tech talk on board. I disliked him though. He ended up going a bit crazy when he was dumped as leader and became a normal politician. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                                        OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson

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                                        Why? well: Yale and Harvard do not sell degrees, I believe you actually have to pass exams. His perspective is correct, Americans before trees, caribou, fish. Is leading the strongest nation in the history of the world, in trying times. As is typical of a good leader he has surrounded himself with intelligent and hard working individuals, without regard to the color or gender of those individuals. Strengths: Family. Belief in America and Americans first. Ability to: listen to, evaluate, and act on advice. Weaknesses: Belief in an open arms approach to the US borders (should pull troops from Europe and put them on our borders). Belief in the basic "goodness" of people and the inability to see the inherent evil of the Kennedy's and Dashles of the country. Belief in the inherent "goodness" of all religions. I firmly believe he'll ultimately cure these weaknesses. Mike

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                                          Nice, but the arrow should be pointing upwards...

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                                          hmmmmm I'm not sure. Maybe there should be 2 arrows, one for each Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
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