Is it Possible to build a Processor which understands MSIL code.
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It's an interesting idea, but how do you go about ensuring that you can enhance the underlying platform? How do you separate out the runtime from the processor itself?
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Hmm.., I need to backtrack from the idea of placing GC in Bios. Better It should be a managed OS which should be built purely by IL. Its could be like scaling a CLR itself to a complete OS. Hope when we build we don't have bussiness compulsion to support backward compatibility (16bit DOS PAC-Man game's) :)
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Note : This one is Extreme Hypothetical dream Is it possible to build a CPU that understands Itermediate Language straight away. ( No JIT, No unmanaged) What could be the blocking factor's if we can't take it to the next Consumer Electronic Show (CES) ;P
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I haven't heard of any serious attempt to create a CIL processor yet, and I don't expect any now. It would be very similar to a Java Bytecode Processor, see here[^]; I remember aJile was one of the first of those. Nothing much came from any of those AFAICR, as they did not find a sweat spot in the market while RISC processors and RISC technologies in general were making huge inroads in the processor market.
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Note : This one is Extreme Hypothetical dream Is it possible to build a CPU that understands Itermediate Language straight away. ( No JIT, No unmanaged) What could be the blocking factor's if we can't take it to the next Consumer Electronic Show (CES) ;P
Regards, Vythees Miles to go before sleep...
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I haven't heard of any serious attempt to create a CIL processor yet, and I don't expect any now. It would be very similar to a Java Bytecode Processor, see here[^]; I remember aJile was one of the first of those. Nothing much came from any of those AFAICR, as they did not find a sweat spot in the market while RISC processors and RISC technologies in general were making huge inroads in the processor market.
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Thanks for the answer. I think a sweet spot may be certain middleware and asp.net appserver where pure performance in demand. Hope one day I could see one. ( Again. Sure I will not use ;) )
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You're welcome. :)
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Note : This one is Extreme Hypothetical dream Is it possible to build a CPU that understands Itermediate Language straight away. ( No JIT, No unmanaged) What could be the blocking factor's if we can't take it to the next Consumer Electronic Show (CES) ;P
Regards, Vythees Miles to go before sleep...
I couldn't care less about a processor that runs MSIL. The one I really want to see is the proc that can run encrypted code natively, without first decrypting it.
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Note : This one is Extreme Hypothetical dream Is it possible to build a CPU that understands Itermediate Language straight away. ( No JIT, No unmanaged) What could be the blocking factor's if we can't take it to the next Consumer Electronic Show (CES) ;P
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There is a Paper on this at IEEExplore[^]. You have to be a subscriber to read it though. Unless you can find it elsewhere.
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There is a Paper on this at IEEExplore[^]. You have to be a subscriber to read it though. Unless you can find it elsewhere.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
Henry Minute wrote:
You have to be a subscriber to read it though
and are you?
Henry Minute wrote:
Unless you can find it elsewhere.
Wouldn't that breach the copyright? :)
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Henry Minute wrote:
You have to be a subscriber to read it though
and are you?
Henry Minute wrote:
Unless you can find it elsewhere.
Wouldn't that breach the copyright? :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
and are you?
Nope. :( Apart from CP I don't subscribe to anything that would allow someone like me to subscribe.
Luc Pattyn wrote:
Wouldn't that breach the copyright?
Possibly, although not certainly. Posilutely, maybe.
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
and are you?
Nope. :( Apart from CP I don't subscribe to anything that would allow someone like me to subscribe.
Luc Pattyn wrote:
Wouldn't that breach the copyright?
Possibly, although not certainly. Posilutely, maybe.
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you're mayhapsily right. :) PS: a second L is optional. PS2: and you sound like Jumbo Marx.
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you're mayhapsily right. :) PS: a second L is optional. PS2: and you sound like Jumbo Marx.
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A games console with a stutter?
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A games console with a stutter?
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No, an elephant doing a Groucho Marx joke. :)
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No, an elephant doing a Groucho Marx joke. :)
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I was actually referring to the PS...PS2 bit. :)
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I was actually referring to the PS...PS2 bit. :)
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and Jumbo, they used to sell puzzles around here (just like MB), and more. :)
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and Jumbo, they used to sell puzzles around here (just like MB), and more. :)
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Ah, not heard of that/them.
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Ah, not heard of that/them.
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Hmm.., I need to backtrack from the idea of placing GC in Bios. Better It should be a managed OS which should be built purely by IL. Its could be like scaling a CLR itself to a complete OS. Hope when we build we don't have bussiness compulsion to support backward compatibility (16bit DOS PAC-Man game's) :)
Regards, Vythees Miles to go before sleep...
Have you checked out Singularity at MS Research. It doesn't run MSIL natively, but is a completely CLR(ish) O/S, with many improvements. Very Radical. Singularity[^]
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Theoretically, it would be possible. However, if you removed JIT from the equation, for instance, how would you expect the application to be optimised? If you remove unmanaged, then how do you expect to accomplish tasks such as file writing?
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Goooood questions. Modern processors decode opcodes into microcode when loading code into the CPU cache (at least, last time I checked. Those buggers change so fast!) That would be a decent place for optimizaitons, though I agree it's not fun to throw that away. But then, there are two things: - the code in the cache can be optimized to current calling conditions - optimizations independent of calling conditions can be written back to the in-memory code For the second, you need some "SystemLevel" code that allows unsafe operations, e.g.
ILProcessor.Primitives.Out(portNumber, Value). It needs to be different from .NET's "unsafe" in that you can declare infection stoppage - i.e. "this class is a safe wrapper around its unsafe operations". Implementing the optimizations in hardware would probably be painfully stupid. However, the write-back-optimizations need to be done only once, and can be done in "native" code. State dependent on-the-fly optimizations could be done in a small "helper CPU" running some hardwired FORTRAN code.FILETIME to time_t
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Note : This one is Extreme Hypothetical dream Is it possible to build a CPU that understands Itermediate Language straight away. ( No JIT, No unmanaged) What could be the blocking factor's if we can't take it to the next Consumer Electronic Show (CES) ;P
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I think it would totally defeat the purpose. MSIL looks like assembly for a reason, because it's a simple way to specify RISC instructions. Those RISC-like instructions are translated into actual CPU instructions optimized for the CPU it's running on. If you want to change the way it optimizes, that means new hardware, as opposed to new software which is just bits. Microsoft is experimenting with an entirely managed OS, all code would have to be managed code, i.e. MSIL instructions. They call it Singularity (awesome name), it's one of their research projects. I think this is the better approach. GC is built on top of Windows memory management, but in singularity, GC is the memory management model. This is one of its major optimizations.