Motivation
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brianwelsch wrote: A good overview is here: Thank you, looks good :) brianwelsch wrote: They seem to be very much common sense, but sometimes it good to see things you've realized already written out by someone else. The real trick is actually practising it. I am great at reading and thinking things, just often quite hopeless at doing and sticking to things. As it seems most of us are.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: The real trick is actually practising it And there it is. Its always easy to read about things, and wonder others don't do XYZ or ABC, but then you look in the mirror and see, hey, man I'm not exactly realizing my potential either. The trick here(I think), is to recognize your cycles, and break out of them. If you always do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. I've realised some things about myself lately, and have been trying to break out of my routines, to get fresh look at things, and stop repeating my bad habits. A few of these have been, less procrastination on chores, I stopped smoking (4 days now), and going to the gym 3-4 times a week. It's tough. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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I enjoy programming, for the most part, but its hardly a central facet of who I am. I mean, I could easly go from now until the day I die without coding another line, and would not miss it. The reason I do it, is because it pays the bills, and given the wealth of applications, it affords me to be able to jump from industry to industry when I want(sort of). Also, did I mention it pays the bills? For those of you aren't passionate about programming, how do you keep motivated to continue learning and continue being productive? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
My love of programming blows hot and cold. Or should I say my love of coding. I have the passion for solving problems and trying to make people's working lives easier. It is the desire to do this that drives my need to learn - in order to make my own working life easier. I could give up coding tomorrow, but I could never give up designing and creating software solutions. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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My love of programming blows hot and cold. Or should I say my love of coding. I have the passion for solving problems and trying to make people's working lives easier. It is the desire to do this that drives my need to learn - in order to make my own working life easier. I could give up coding tomorrow, but I could never give up designing and creating software solutions. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: but I could never give up designing and creating software solutions. I am working on inventing the ImplementatorThon Mark 2000. A device which you feed in your grand idea, your well architected concept, and it does all the damned coding details for you! You don't happen to have a lot of projects started but unfinished lying about do you? :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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I enjoy programming, for the most part, but its hardly a central facet of who I am. I mean, I could easly go from now until the day I die without coding another line, and would not miss it. The reason I do it, is because it pays the bills, and given the wealth of applications, it affords me to be able to jump from industry to industry when I want(sort of). Also, did I mention it pays the bills? For those of you aren't passionate about programming, how do you keep motivated to continue learning and continue being productive? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: For those of you aren't passionate about programming Guaranteed, everyone who answers this does not have a boss who reads CP. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Ray Cassick wrote: If you do, just make sure that you do an Exceptional job at it *groan* Where is my "Bad Dr. Watson Jokes" book. I keep a tally of the number of times people use the word "elementary" with a grin on their face while I am around. :rolleyes: LOL no, not really, but I should Ray Cassick wrote: My opinion is that, if you find that you can not be passionate about it, then you need to change careers. I rememebr a story from the Dale Carnagie book I read... If you are a janator, be the best damn janiotr that you can be. Make every window sparkle, and keep every carpet spotless. Make poeple that walk by the things you maintain saw 'Wow, who ever takes care of this area must really care...' I know that sometimes we get stuck in a job / project that we just can't seem to get into, but we need to take that as a sign and prepare to move on. In my opinion, programming is not just a job, or a task. It is an attitude, and a way of life. Totally agree with you but it takes some realisation to actually implement that. Funny thing is that it is one of those cyclic ideas. Being passionate produces tangible results which makes you more passionate. It is the getting into the loop that is hard. While IT is really a stepping stone for me, I still strive to do my best in it. I don't work long hours just because I have to. Most of the time I am telling the boss that I had better put in X hours today to ensure a happy client while the boss is saying "no don't worry, leave it till tomorrow and lets cut a few corners." As I said, I have a goal and to get to that goal passion and hard work is required. If I don't or didn't then I will not reach that goal and will hate my situation in the end. Zen and the art of... defines it quite well: Caring for what you do produces quality which makes you feel good which feeds-back into what you are doing, increasing care and so increasing quality (not actually in the book, just my simple summary).
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: *groan* Where is my "Bad Dr. Watson Jokes" book. I keep a tally of the number of times people use the word "elementary" with a grin on their face while I am around. LOL no, not really, but I should At least your not called Jonny! Just care to think of what they say when asking for a rubber (eraser). Every time someone says "Can I borrow a rubber Jonny" then everyone bursts into hysterics. I cringe. It was funny the first time, but not the several thousandth time.
We brought out this new and very similar version of our expensive software because the old version was......old....It's a good enough excuse for Microsoft so its fine for us.
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brianwelsch wrote: For those of you aren't passionate about programming Guaranteed, everyone who answers this does not have a boss who reads CP. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Guaranteed, everyone who answers this does not have a boss who reads CP. :omg: On NO! My Boss! :omg: BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Not passionate about programming? I recommend an ECT programme immeadiatly. :wtf:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
David Wulff wrote: I recommend an ECT programme That's what you always say! We understand that you enjoy that tingly, warm feeling it gives you all over, but it's really not for everyone. By the way, how's that home do-it-yourself ECT machine working out?:) "My child was Inmate of the Month at Mohave County Jail" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City, AZ
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Paul Watson wrote: *groan* Where is my "Bad Dr. Watson Jokes" book. I keep a tally of the number of times people use the word "elementary" with a grin on their face while I am around. LOL no, not really, but I should At least your not called Jonny! Just care to think of what they say when asking for a rubber (eraser). Every time someone says "Can I borrow a rubber Jonny" then everyone bursts into hysterics. I cringe. It was funny the first time, but not the several thousandth time.
We brought out this new and very similar version of our expensive software because the old version was......old....It's a good enough excuse for Microsoft so its fine for us.
Jonny Newman wrote: Just care to think of what they say when asking for a rubber (eraser). What has Jonny got to do with a rubber/eraser? Or is Jonny another word for condom in the states? If so, then my condolences :) Jonny Newman wrote: It was funny the first time, but not the several thousandth time LOL so true. The problem is each person who repeats the joke does not spare a moment to think as to whether they are being original or not. They think they are the first person to ever crack the Jonny/Elementary jokes. Ahh well, at least our names can break the ice when needed :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Michael P Butler wrote: but I could never give up designing and creating software solutions. I am working on inventing the ImplementatorThon Mark 2000. A device which you feed in your grand idea, your well architected concept, and it does all the damned coding details for you! You don't happen to have a lot of projects started but unfinished lying about do you? :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: You don't happen to have a lot of projects started but unfinished lying about do you? How did you guess :-D I can't think of a single project I've ever worked on that I'd call finished. Either I've moved jobs before completion or the customer keeps changing their minds. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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Paul Watson wrote: You don't happen to have a lot of projects started but unfinished lying about do you? How did you guess :-D I can't think of a single project I've ever worked on that I'd call finished. Either I've moved jobs before completion or the customer keeps changing their minds. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: I can't think of a single project I've ever worked on that I'd call finished Personal projects, definitley. Everything I have ever made or started making is a work in progress or in the "archive" folder ready to be opened up again... one day.. I promise! Professional projects I, or we, have done and finished plenty. From small one week projects to 6 month or more projects. We are quite strict about getting specifications signed and phasing development (though my current project has gone to hell in a hand basket because neither the graphic design nor the spec was signed off and now the client is screwing us by saying "oh but we never signed that" arrgghh! IT is the last time I let the sales guy use a contractor to do the specification... I am going back to demanding a hard copy of the signed agreement.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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brianwelsch wrote: For those of you aren't passionate about programming Guaranteed, everyone who answers this does not have a boss who reads CP. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Guaranteed, everyone who answers this does not have a boss who reads CP. No offense but ignoring small, dedicated shops I would say most bosses in big corporates could not give a toss whether their employees are passionate about their work, so long as the work is done.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
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Jonny Newman wrote: Just care to think of what they say when asking for a rubber (eraser). What has Jonny got to do with a rubber/eraser? Or is Jonny another word for condom in the states? If so, then my condolences :) Jonny Newman wrote: It was funny the first time, but not the several thousandth time LOL so true. The problem is each person who repeats the joke does not spare a moment to think as to whether they are being original or not. They think they are the first person to ever crack the Jonny/Elementary jokes. Ahh well, at least our names can break the ice when needed :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaColin Davies wrote: ...can you imagine a John Simmons stalker !
Paul Watson wrote: What has Jonny got to do with a rubber/eraser? Jonny and Eraser have nothing in common, but when people in class ask "Can I borrow a rubber, Jonny" it sounds like they are asking for a condom. A "Rubber Johnny" is a slang term for condom over here in the UK. Paul Watson wrote: They think they are the first person to ever crack the Jonny/Elementary jokes. Most people who say it now, don't realise until after they say it, so they think it IS original. The problem with the rubber jonny bit is that in that context it is said fairly often in school life. Being the mature person i am, i launch the eraser as hard as i can at them when thay say it, mwahahahaha. :laugh::laugh: Paul Watson wrote: Ahh well, at least our names can break the ice when needed I always introduce myself as Nonny. Thats always a good start because they start singing "Noddy, noddy, the little boy in the red and yellow car" Noddy was a kids program over here. Nonny came about from: Jonny Newman Nonny Jewman No i'm not jewish, but the Nonny but was found humerous, I hated it at first, but when everyone including my parents called me it, I accepted it. If you can't beat it, answer to it :)
We brought out this new and very similar version of our expensive software because the old version was......old....It's a good enough excuse for Microsoft so its fine for us.