"Solaris"
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Megan Forbes wrote: the way the Lord of the Rings' first book was butchered You thought Peter Jackson's movie of LOTR butchered the first book? Wow, I thought the movie was incredible, for once a tribute to a book. Of course it was not the same as the book and never can be, but IMO it was a stunning movie. As for Tom Bambolidilalidla (I can never get his name right) being chopped out... I don't think the story lost a lot from his removal. Twas a very wayward branch which while significant in the grand scheme of things, was not all together a good thing for the plot. I remember thinking "this is lovely and all but is not adding much to the journey" when I was reading LOTR. Those who scorn the movie for not having him in are often just saying it to sound Wise and Read Up about LOTR. What did you get out of it? BTW I am REAAALLLYYY looking forward to the next Peter Jackson movie of LOTR. The first one blew my expectations away. Megan Forbes wrote: has anyone tried The Two Towers game? I have not, but just like most book to movie conversions, book to movie to game conversions are terrible. Too many expectations and entrenched ideas before you even so much as kill your first Orc. I recommend you get a game-world dedicated game, or at least wait awhile until you can pick up The Two Towers game in the bargain bin. [Edit] Well I have been proved wrong, again. GameSpot.com, who I trust in game reviews, thinks the game is brilliant: The Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers [^] Just wish it was on PC, no PS2 here. [/Edit]
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
As a movie, it was brilliant, I guess it was probably my fault for knowing the book too well. I mean, if you were to quote a line from the book, I could probably tell you who said it, and where they were when the sentance was spoken. I was sorry that Arwen was introduced too early as a large force in the storyline. I also hated the end. All that "my liege, my king" crap twaddle that Boromir spat out before dying never happened. It was assumed that he made his peace with Aragorn being his king, but nothing so blatant. That's kind of what I meant - it's annoying when subtlety (hmmm... there's a spelling mistake waiting to happen!) gets lost to pander to crowds who need spoon feeding.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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As a movie, it was brilliant, I guess it was probably my fault for knowing the book too well. I mean, if you were to quote a line from the book, I could probably tell you who said it, and where they were when the sentance was spoken. I was sorry that Arwen was introduced too early as a large force in the storyline. I also hated the end. All that "my liege, my king" crap twaddle that Boromir spat out before dying never happened. It was assumed that he made his peace with Aragorn being his king, but nothing so blatant. That's kind of what I meant - it's annoying when subtlety (hmmm... there's a spelling mistake waiting to happen!) gets lost to pander to crowds who need spoon feeding.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: That's kind of what I meant - it's annoying when subtlety (hmmm... there's a spelling mistake waiting to happen!) gets lost to pander to crowds who need spoon feeding. Ahh I see where you are coming from and agree. My uncle, the same Canon who married my cousin, teaches English (in Bloemfontein hehe) and every year he gets his class to read LOTR. So he knows it pretty well. He also complained a bit about the movie, but then it has to be expected. There is no way Jackson could have made a movie which pleased the box office as well as please the likes of you and my uncle. No way at all. Thankfully I am just a fan of LOTR, not a nutter... errr guru, so I can look past (or not even notice) some "poetic*" license in the movie ;) * Maybe "poetic license" should be "popular license" eh? :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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As a movie, it was brilliant, I guess it was probably my fault for knowing the book too well. I mean, if you were to quote a line from the book, I could probably tell you who said it, and where they were when the sentance was spoken. I was sorry that Arwen was introduced too early as a large force in the storyline. I also hated the end. All that "my liege, my king" crap twaddle that Boromir spat out before dying never happened. It was assumed that he made his peace with Aragorn being his king, but nothing so blatant. That's kind of what I meant - it's annoying when subtlety (hmmm... there's a spelling mistake waiting to happen!) gets lost to pander to crowds who need spoon feeding.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
I have to say that I completely agree with what Paul Watson said. Bombadil was just a filler - I think that every time I read the book though I also see him as a potentially very interesting character that wasn't capitalised on by Tolkien. the reason I think of him as so interesting is his unimaginable age and the fact that the ring held no command or sway over him unlike even wizards and elves. Then again, what you said about Boromir was absolutely right - I cringed when he said "my captain" just like I cringed when Robin Williams asked his class to say it to him in Dead Poet's Society (hugely over-rated film IMO). However, that must be the only criticism I have. What a fantastic film LOTR was and what a great tribute to one of the most successful books ever, no small achievement! I can't wait for the Two Towers :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Megan Forbes wrote: That's kind of what I meant - it's annoying when subtlety (hmmm... there's a spelling mistake waiting to happen!) gets lost to pander to crowds who need spoon feeding. Ahh I see where you are coming from and agree. My uncle, the same Canon who married my cousin, teaches English (in Bloemfontein hehe) and every year he gets his class to read LOTR. So he knows it pretty well. He also complained a bit about the movie, but then it has to be expected. There is no way Jackson could have made a movie which pleased the box office as well as please the likes of you and my uncle. No way at all. Thankfully I am just a fan of LOTR, not a nutter... errr guru, so I can look past (or not even notice) some "poetic*" license in the movie ;) * Maybe "poetic license" should be "popular license" eh? :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Thankfully I am just a fan of LOTR, not a nutter... errr guru Perhaps Geek of LOTR should be added to the Geek Code :-O BTW. No PS2 here either. Might need rectification.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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I have to say that I completely agree with what Paul Watson said. Bombadil was just a filler - I think that every time I read the book though I also see him as a potentially very interesting character that wasn't capitalised on by Tolkien. the reason I think of him as so interesting is his unimaginable age and the fact that the ring held no command or sway over him unlike even wizards and elves. Then again, what you said about Boromir was absolutely right - I cringed when he said "my captain" just like I cringed when Robin Williams asked his class to say it to him in Dead Poet's Society (hugely over-rated film IMO). However, that must be the only criticism I have. What a fantastic film LOTR was and what a great tribute to one of the most successful books ever, no small achievement! I can't wait for the Two Towers :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: I can't wait for the Two Towers Me too - and I'm not reading the book again till after the movie! Should help me miss out on the differences. :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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peterchen wrote: HOLLYWOOD TAKE YOUR f***ING DIRTY HANDS OF SOLARIS! Three words Peterchen: Don't watch it. So is the novel worth reading? Heard conflicting remarks about it. Oh and I read a review on Solaris (don't read further if you don't want to, though you already know the answer)... better than average SciFi flick, but still sucks, especially if you have read the book apparently.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: So is the novel worth reading? definitely. It's not an easy read ("in the subway on the way to work is probably out for most ppl), but the things discussed, and the way it is, is both feeding interesting ideas, and thought provoking. About science, about god, about psychology. And it's "behind the iron curtain sci-fi". Maybe not the thing you expect as "western" reader. Paul Watson wrote: Don't watch it I can't help, I have to. :cool: Luckily (hopefully) the small theaters will take the chance and show the tarkowsky version again (which is recommendable both as itself, and as movie of the novel)
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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not the OS, the novel / movie, by polish writer Stanislaw Lem. Haven't seen the "Clooney version" yet, but it should be prohibited. And I'm dead honest with that. At least it's Sonderbergh, not Spielberg. Anyway, this is the thing that gets me up he wall with hollywood. I know it will not live up to th novel, and I know it won't be able to catch the "flair" as the 1972 Tarkowsky flick did. I know there will be just enough traces of the original story in it that everybody will tell me "hey, this way it could be shared with so many millions of people". There will be enough traces that show the director really cared about the novel. But there will also be enough of Hollywood - something for everybody, and no freedom of mind. George Clooney to begin with! (an early Nicholas Cage would have been much better here) I have the feeling that some "culture" is being violated here, yet can't do anything about, just shout. HOLLYWOOD TAKE YOUR FUCKING DIRTY HANDS OF SOLARIS! Thank you. For all that are still following, "Solaris" is an interesting read by all means. Especially if you ponder questions like Paul right now. I tried to read it 12 years old the first time. I just couldn't grasp it or even finish it yet - still I was drawn back multiple times to it, then, finally, with some 17 years, and after a long break, it "became clear".
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: For all that are still following, "Solaris" is an interesting read by all means. It's now on "my list of books that I should read sometime, but I can't because I have to spend all my time writing up lab reports on how we analyzed some useless signal today, even though all I really want to do is code" :-D xmas is coming up...hmmmm.. :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I feel the same way about the way the Lord of the Rings' first book was butchered. The best bits were cut out as the majority of the population would be too lazy/dumb to think about and enjoy them. But, I guess that's how they make cash - pandering to the general population's whims. On this topic (sorry to change storyline subjects) - has anyone tried The Two Towers game? Damn I would love to play LOTR on a new game. Those 70's style one's just can't do it for me anymore :-D
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: butchered. No, not butchered. Changed, yes. But one of the few movies that have some kind of similarity to the book. I didn't like the Tom character, and found the that part of the book somewhat boring (maybe it's because I read that part on a long bus ride). And I didn't like how big a role Arwen had in it.... she's more important later on. And the comment about Borodil's [EDIT Boromir + Bombadil = Borodil :-D oops! /EDIT] death.. so true. So many people complained about the length. Look, if you want to see a movie about one of the best books written, then don't expect it to be 2 hours long. I'm still not sure if they could have cut out anything more from FotR. JP2... now *that* butchered the novel (which was good IMO, not as good as JP obviously). Sum of All Fears. sure, good movie, similar story, but SOOOOOOOOO far different from the book, which was good too. Two Towers (movie, no idea about the quality of the game) is going to rock. The fighting'll be amazing, and I can't wait to see all the Ents. :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I feel the same way about the way the Lord of the Rings' first book was butchered. The best bits were cut out as the majority of the population would be too lazy/dumb to think about and enjoy them. But, I guess that's how they make cash - pandering to the general population's whims. On this topic (sorry to change storyline subjects) - has anyone tried The Two Towers game? Damn I would love to play LOTR on a new game. Those 70's style one's just can't do it for me anymore :-D
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: I feel the same way about the way the Lord of the Rings' first book was butchered Get the EP DVD - it does it proud. So much better for geeks fans than the Cinema/DVD release. Obviously though even there some parts are missed or glided over, but to be honest a 100% acurate 4 day long film would do the story no justice at all.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Megan Forbes wrote: butchered. No, not butchered. Changed, yes. But one of the few movies that have some kind of similarity to the book. I didn't like the Tom character, and found the that part of the book somewhat boring (maybe it's because I read that part on a long bus ride). And I didn't like how big a role Arwen had in it.... she's more important later on. And the comment about Borodil's [EDIT Boromir + Bombadil = Borodil :-D oops! /EDIT] death.. so true. So many people complained about the length. Look, if you want to see a movie about one of the best books written, then don't expect it to be 2 hours long. I'm still not sure if they could have cut out anything more from FotR. JP2... now *that* butchered the novel (which was good IMO, not as good as JP obviously). Sum of All Fears. sure, good movie, similar story, but SOOOOOOOOO far different from the book, which was good too. Two Towers (movie, no idea about the quality of the game) is going to rock. The fighting'll be amazing, and I can't wait to see all the Ents. :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Atlantys wrote: I can't wait to see all the Ents. Me too! (Or should that be "me neither"? :~) I have this strange image of a tree with legs like an octopus slithering across the ground! Then again even after watching the first film I still have that childhood image of Orcs as looking exactly like Mr. Sneeze from the Mistermen series. :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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Atlantys wrote: I can't wait to see all the Ents. Me too! (Or should that be "me neither"? :~) I have this strange image of a tree with legs like an octopus slithering across the ground! Then again even after watching the first film I still have that childhood image of Orcs as looking exactly like Mr. Sneeze from the Mistermen series. :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
In WarcraftIII, they have this creatures/units that are called "Treants", which are huge walking trees (and the main buildings of the Night Elves are also big trees that walk). Obviously a nod to LOTR. But now, whenever I think of an Ent, I see the image of a Treant. But yes, a huge walking tree sloooooooooooowly moving across the ground, with its roots spread out around. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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In WarcraftIII, they have this creatures/units that are called "Treants", which are huge walking trees (and the main buildings of the Night Elves are also big trees that walk). Obviously a nod to LOTR. But now, whenever I think of an Ent, I see the image of a Treant. But yes, a huge walking tree sloooooooooooowly moving across the ground, with its roots spread out around. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
I just saw a trailer for LOTR2 and I think I may have caught a glance of an Ent! It looked like a tree but sideways so the branches/arms came out of the top but to the side, like your nose but on your forehead, and they were wailing about like an octopus on a spit. It was kind of grey in colour. I don't know if it was an Ent or not - the speed of it's movement seems suspect - I'll keep my eyes open the next time the trailer airs. :-D
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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I just saw a trailer for LOTR2 and I think I may have caught a glance of an Ent! It looked like a tree but sideways so the branches/arms came out of the top but to the side, like your nose but on your forehead, and they were wailing about like an octopus on a spit. It was kind of grey in colour. I don't know if it was an Ent or not - the speed of it's movement seems suspect - I'll keep my eyes open the next time the trailer airs. :-D
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
David Wulff Born and Bred.
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heres a sneak preview of what Treebeard looks like... http://www.jimcalagon.supanet.com/images/treebeard.jpg[^]
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not the OS, the novel / movie, by polish writer Stanislaw Lem. Haven't seen the "Clooney version" yet, but it should be prohibited. And I'm dead honest with that. At least it's Sonderbergh, not Spielberg. Anyway, this is the thing that gets me up he wall with hollywood. I know it will not live up to th novel, and I know it won't be able to catch the "flair" as the 1972 Tarkowsky flick did. I know there will be just enough traces of the original story in it that everybody will tell me "hey, this way it could be shared with so many millions of people". There will be enough traces that show the director really cared about the novel. But there will also be enough of Hollywood - something for everybody, and no freedom of mind. George Clooney to begin with! (an early Nicholas Cage would have been much better here) I have the feeling that some "culture" is being violated here, yet can't do anything about, just shout. HOLLYWOOD TAKE YOUR FUCKING DIRTY HANDS OF SOLARIS! Thank you. For all that are still following, "Solaris" is an interesting read by all means. Especially if you ponder questions like Paul right now. I tried to read it 12 years old the first time. I just couldn't grasp it or even finish it yet - still I was drawn back multiple times to it, then, finally, with some 17 years, and after a long break, it "became clear".
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
I haven't read any Lem for err.... a few years :-O Thanks for reminding me about his work, just added that to my wish list :cool: :rose: Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
