Canon EOS 300
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In 1974, I bought a Minolta SLR that I still use to this day. It takes the most wonderful of pictures and is my mainstay. Just a year ago, I splurged on my wife to buy her a decent camera as well. I went with another Minolta, but I can't remember the model. It cost about $400USD, though. Again this camera is a beauty and takes really great pictures. My wife has taken night shots around an open fire that come out just amazing. In addition, she really likes to shoot the sunsets at our cottage. Shooting into the sun at dusk and still capturing the sorrounding clouds and scenery is a true test of a camera's ablity, in my mind. Picture taking is one of life's great art forms that just about everybody can do. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002.
Chris Meech wrote: In 1974, I bought a Minolta SLR Crumbs, your camera is older than I am :-D But every good photographer I have spoken to holds onto their older cameras for dear life, saying they are the best. Chris Meech wrote: I splurged on my wife to buy her a decent camera as well. I went with another Minolta, but I can't remember the model. It cost about $400USD Once I am "proficient" with the Canon EOS I aim to get a middle of the range digital camera for the more snappy, touristy photos. Nice to have both I reckon. Chris Meech wrote: Picture taking is one of life's great art forms that just about everybody can do. It is not so easy though, to do it really well I mean. Seen some chaps with really fancy gear but just average photos. Takes some good creativity and understanding of the camera and light. The last two I need to learn, the first one is why I am getting into photography... an outlet of sorts :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Chris Meech wrote: In 1974, I bought a Minolta SLR Crumbs, your camera is older than I am :-D But every good photographer I have spoken to holds onto their older cameras for dear life, saying they are the best. Chris Meech wrote: I splurged on my wife to buy her a decent camera as well. I went with another Minolta, but I can't remember the model. It cost about $400USD Once I am "proficient" with the Canon EOS I aim to get a middle of the range digital camera for the more snappy, touristy photos. Nice to have both I reckon. Chris Meech wrote: Picture taking is one of life's great art forms that just about everybody can do. It is not so easy though, to do it really well I mean. Seen some chaps with really fancy gear but just average photos. Takes some good creativity and understanding of the camera and light. The last two I need to learn, the first one is why I am getting into photography... an outlet of sorts :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: I aim to get a middle of the range digital camera for I have a digital as well, but I've never really taken to it the same way. I'm thinking that I need to go and get a top of the line digital, that's been designed/built for various lighting conditions. I also think that the SLR design is important. It almost makes it WSIWYG :) Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002.
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Anybody got this camera? Opinion? Good, bad? This will be my first "proper" camera and so I am definitley an amateur. But I am looking to advance myself to at least being an advanced amateur/semi-pro (obviously this camera is no good for pros, but by that time I hope to have enough dosh to get more serious cameras.) Got the money, read many glowing reviews, am ready to buy... but damn, it is a lot of money and I want to be sure I am not buying a turkey or something I won't find useful. Also any recommendations on what lens to get with it? The standard kit comes with a 28-90mm zoom lens which I have read is flexible enough for amateurs. ta :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
what kind of pictures do you want to take? my first 'other' lens was a 70-240mm zoom. 240mm's not extremely powerful, but it's good enough for most situations. my second lens was a 105mm macro. i use it for probably 80% of my nno-vacation shots. it focuses to 1:1 (meaning the image is the same size as the subject). so, it's great for close-ups. next i got a simple 50mm 1.8. it's fast and light. my camera (Nikon n80, highly recommended, as is the N65) came with a 28-80mm zoom. this is my primary 'vacation' lens. sometimes, it's the only lens i use on vacation. http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=157813[^] -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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what kind of pictures do you want to take? my first 'other' lens was a 70-240mm zoom. 240mm's not extremely powerful, but it's good enough for most situations. my second lens was a 105mm macro. i use it for probably 80% of my nno-vacation shots. it focuses to 1:1 (meaning the image is the same size as the subject). so, it's great for close-ups. next i got a simple 50mm 1.8. it's fast and light. my camera (Nikon n80, highly recommended, as is the N65) came with a 28-80mm zoom. this is my primary 'vacation' lens. sometimes, it's the only lens i use on vacation. http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=157813[^] -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: what kind of pictures do you want to take? Mainly landscapes. Got a great big mountain in the middle of my city and stunning coastal features, plus I live in Africa so landscapes are just gorgeous. I am not much interested in protraits (which always draws criticism from my family when I do the holiday pics. They see beautiful landscapes and wonder where they are in the shots.) But naturally I also need to be able to take decent holiday shots. Of people, places etc. Chris Losinger wrote: Nikon n80m highly recommended, as is the N65 Thanks for the recommendations, will check them out. Chris Losinger wrote: _http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder\_id=157813\[^\]_ Awesome photos. Falls Lake sunrise, cardinal in a leafless tree, Girl, outside in the rain and Eye are my favourites. I need to practice to get anywhere near your level though :) [Edit]My first photo on Photo.net and as stated was taken with a R90 point and shoot way back when without much thought having been put into it.[^] [/Edit]
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Chris Losinger wrote: what kind of pictures do you want to take? Mainly landscapes. Got a great big mountain in the middle of my city and stunning coastal features, plus I live in Africa so landscapes are just gorgeous. I am not much interested in protraits (which always draws criticism from my family when I do the holiday pics. They see beautiful landscapes and wonder where they are in the shots.) But naturally I also need to be able to take decent holiday shots. Of people, places etc. Chris Losinger wrote: Nikon n80m highly recommended, as is the N65 Thanks for the recommendations, will check them out. Chris Losinger wrote: _http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder\_id=157813\[^\]_ Awesome photos. Falls Lake sunrise, cardinal in a leafless tree, Girl, outside in the rain and Eye are my favourites. I need to practice to get anywhere near your level though :) [Edit]My first photo on Photo.net and as stated was taken with a R90 point and shoot way back when without much thought having been put into it.[^] [/Edit]
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Mainly landscapes i think the lens that comes with the camera (those short 28-80mm zooms) will be fine for landscapes. you might someday want something even wider (20mm or so). get a decent tripod, if you want to do any night shots. Paul Watson wrote: Awesome photos thanks. :-O Paul Watson wrote: I need to practice to get anywhere near your level though that's the fun part! -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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what kind of pictures do you want to take? my first 'other' lens was a 70-240mm zoom. 240mm's not extremely powerful, but it's good enough for most situations. my second lens was a 105mm macro. i use it for probably 80% of my nno-vacation shots. it focuses to 1:1 (meaning the image is the same size as the subject). so, it's great for close-ups. next i got a simple 50mm 1.8. it's fast and light. my camera (Nikon n80, highly recommended, as is the N65) came with a 28-80mm zoom. this is my primary 'vacation' lens. sometimes, it's the only lens i use on vacation. http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=157813[^] -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: _http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder\_id=157813\[^\]_ beautiful, Chris! I almost feel like running out to buy a camera myself now.:-D BTW, are you still in/near Raliegh? I thought you were upstate NY for some reason. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Chris Losinger wrote: _http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder\_id=157813\[^\]_ beautiful, Chris! I almost feel like running out to buy a camera myself now.:-D BTW, are you still in/near Raliegh? I thought you were upstate NY for some reason. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: I almost feel like running out to buy a camera myself now if you do, could you grab me some film ? :) brianwelsch wrote: are you still in/near Raliegh? I thought you were upstate NY for some reason. yeah, i'm still in Raleigh. i'm from upstate NY but i live in Raleigh. i'm a yankee at heart. :) -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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brianwelsch wrote: I almost feel like running out to buy a camera myself now if you do, could you grab me some film ? :) brianwelsch wrote: are you still in/near Raliegh? I thought you were upstate NY for some reason. yeah, i'm still in Raleigh. i'm from upstate NY but i live in Raleigh. i'm a yankee at heart. :) -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: a yankee at heart Good man! :-D I was born on Long Island and lived in CT for 15 yrs, but now down in SC (currently waiting patiently for ice and sleet) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Chris Losinger wrote: a yankee at heart Good man! :-D I was born on Long Island and lived in CT for 15 yrs, but now down in SC (currently waiting patiently for ice and sleet) BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: waiting patiently for ice and sleet yeah. :) i'll believe it when i see it. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Anybody got this camera? Opinion? Good, bad? This will be my first "proper" camera and so I am definitley an amateur. But I am looking to advance myself to at least being an advanced amateur/semi-pro (obviously this camera is no good for pros, but by that time I hope to have enough dosh to get more serious cameras.) Got the money, read many glowing reviews, am ready to buy... but damn, it is a lot of money and I want to be sure I am not buying a turkey or something I won't find useful. Also any recommendations on what lens to get with it? The standard kit comes with a 28-90mm zoom lens which I have read is flexible enough for amateurs. ta :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Hi Paul, I have the US version of the EOS 300 called the Rebel 2000 with the 28-90mm lens that comes with the kit. I bought is a few months ago for a photography class that I decided to take. Here are MY views about the camera: o The grip is slighly small i.e. my right pinky does not rest on the camera. You can overcome this buying an addition (forgot what it's called). It's no big deal, not even an annoyance but something you may notice. o I would *highly* recommend getting the USM lens. I wish I knew a little bit about lenses before I bought mine and I would've bought the USM one. The standard lens works just fine but with the USM lens you'll be able to focus faster and apparently the lens is made with slightly better glass. Ofcourse the USM lens will cost more! Check out Canon EOS lenses if you already haven't. o It doesn't come with a potrait studio connection (if you care about that). o Definetly get a good tripod when shooting landscape pictures, also consider getting a remote release switch (not necessary but a nice goodie). The only things I wish the 300 had are in the upper end cameras, so I really can't complain about those features not being in the 300. Again, since you mentioned about becoming serious later on, you can always replace the EOS body with another canon eos camera (even the digital SLR's!), so invest wisely in the lens. Infact IMHO the lens is more important than the body. PS: Canon has come out with a newer amatuer model the EOS Rebel Ti. HTH, Jignesh
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Anybody got this camera? Opinion? Good, bad? This will be my first "proper" camera and so I am definitley an amateur. But I am looking to advance myself to at least being an advanced amateur/semi-pro (obviously this camera is no good for pros, but by that time I hope to have enough dosh to get more serious cameras.) Got the money, read many glowing reviews, am ready to buy... but damn, it is a lot of money and I want to be sure I am not buying a turkey or something I won't find useful. Also any recommendations on what lens to get with it? The standard kit comes with a 28-90mm zoom lens which I have read is flexible enough for amateurs. ta :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
I am not a pro either but did spend some time last spring before I purchased a new 35mm. The final deciding factor for me was the lens mount. I wound up with a Nikon N-65 which was the only 35 (that I found) in the lower price ranges in which the lens mount was not made out of plastic. The issue here is the plastic parts get worn by dirt much faster. I do not know if the EOS 300 is included here or not but I would check. This may not be a big deal if you almost never change lenses. Just what I had discovered. "I will find a new sig someday."
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I am not a pro either but did spend some time last spring before I purchased a new 35mm. The final deciding factor for me was the lens mount. I wound up with a Nikon N-65 which was the only 35 (that I found) in the lower price ranges in which the lens mount was not made out of plastic. The issue here is the plastic parts get worn by dirt much faster. I do not know if the EOS 300 is included here or not but I would check. This may not be a big deal if you almost never change lenses. Just what I had discovered. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I do not know if the EOS 300 is included here or not but I would check The Canon EOS 300 does have a plastic lense mount and I have read a few people also worrying about it. But so far I have not read of anyone actually having any trouble with it, so I am willing to take that risk. Also initially I seriously will not have the money to go out and start buying all sorts of lenses. So probably just one lens to start and then a bit later another or two. Thanks for the advice though, I will keep it in mind :) Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I wound up with a Nikon N-65 "wound up" is that a photography pun I see? ;P So what is the Nikon N-65 like? Chris Meech also recommended it, so I will be heading over to Nikon this weekend to check it out.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Hi Paul, I have the US version of the EOS 300 called the Rebel 2000 with the 28-90mm lens that comes with the kit. I bought is a few months ago for a photography class that I decided to take. Here are MY views about the camera: o The grip is slighly small i.e. my right pinky does not rest on the camera. You can overcome this buying an addition (forgot what it's called). It's no big deal, not even an annoyance but something you may notice. o I would *highly* recommend getting the USM lens. I wish I knew a little bit about lenses before I bought mine and I would've bought the USM one. The standard lens works just fine but with the USM lens you'll be able to focus faster and apparently the lens is made with slightly better glass. Ofcourse the USM lens will cost more! Check out Canon EOS lenses if you already haven't. o It doesn't come with a potrait studio connection (if you care about that). o Definetly get a good tripod when shooting landscape pictures, also consider getting a remote release switch (not necessary but a nice goodie). The only things I wish the 300 had are in the upper end cameras, so I really can't complain about those features not being in the 300. Again, since you mentioned about becoming serious later on, you can always replace the EOS body with another canon eos camera (even the digital SLR's!), so invest wisely in the lens. Infact IMHO the lens is more important than the body. PS: Canon has come out with a newer amatuer model the EOS Rebel Ti. HTH, Jignesh
Jignesh I. Patel wrote: Definetly get a good tripod when shooting landscape pictures Got any recommendations on makes or models? Jignesh I. Patel wrote: Canon has come out with a newer amatuer model the EOS Rebel Ti. They call it the Canon EOS 300v here. But it has a R2000 extra price tag, just for a bit extra! Think I will stick to the earlier model EOS 300/Rebel 2000. :) Jignesh I. Patel wrote: so invest wisely in the lens. Infact IMHO the lens is more important than the body. Heard that a lot and I will definitley look into the USM lens. I do have a budget though :-D Thanks for all the other thoughts :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I do not know if the EOS 300 is included here or not but I would check The Canon EOS 300 does have a plastic lense mount and I have read a few people also worrying about it. But so far I have not read of anyone actually having any trouble with it, so I am willing to take that risk. Also initially I seriously will not have the money to go out and start buying all sorts of lenses. So probably just one lens to start and then a bit later another or two. Thanks for the advice though, I will keep it in mind :) Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I wound up with a Nikon N-65 "wound up" is that a photography pun I see? ;P So what is the Nikon N-65 like? Chris Meech also recommended it, so I will be heading over to Nikon this weekend to check it out.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: "wound up" is that a photography pun I see? Humm? yes that did get rolled in didn't it;) Paul Watson wrote: So what is the Nikon N-65 like? I am not good at commenting here. It usually involes compared to what. I had a 1968 Pentax SP1000, which I liked and had performed well for years (purchased new.) I was trapped outside when a sudden rain came and damaged the electronics. So compared to what I had there are a lot of features than most any camera now has. Auto focus, builtin flash, a number of automatic settings such as an action mode that takes repeat photos when the shutter is pressed. And a better lens mount than that older Pentax which was a screw on lens. It is smaller and lighter which has good and bad effects. I did find that for my hands the holding of the camera was "more natural" than the Minolta I was also looking at. Which is why you really need to go out and handle each one you are considering. There is a number of levels of automation (again typical) for exposure. I have found that with the N-65 it tends to favor the settings for the brighter areas of exposure even if those areas a quite small or out of the photographed area. So when a photo is taken in the shade the image is often dark. But a good lab will adjust for this. You local discount developer will not, at least here. "I will find a new sig someday."