Early Christmas Rant
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Megan Forbes wrote: £1000 in debt for an average UK family with 2 kids just seems insane. Thats what overtime/rest of the working year is for. To pay it off. I think christmas is going to cost around that for me (minimum). My 2 step daughters (16 and 18) want: 16: An combination MP3 player/digital camara £180+ :eek: 18: A top of the range mobile phone with digital camera £200+line rental or £350 stand alone :eek::eek: My partner Partner: A neclace from Cartier, £As much as she can get :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: And thats before I get to the rest of my family :( Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 In case you're worried about what's going to become of the younger generation, it's going to grow up and start worrying about the younger generation. - Roger Allen, but not me!
Ouch. December must be a painful time for you.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
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Christian Graus wrote: Megan Forbes wrote:: (ok, ok, I know the man Christ was actually born around September, the day for remembering this was mixed with an ancient pagan holiday, etc, etc) LOL - I'm pleased you know this, I am embroiled in argument on christian newsgroups with people who deny it... Can you give me a little bit more background info (links etc.) to this. I love educating my wife and her parents from time to time with some truths about their religion. I have read the bible (different versions) at least 3 times more than them put together (yes I have only read it 3 times). They are cathoic and just believe what they hear and have really never gone into reading and understanding their religion. My mother In-law Catholic School German Nuns and devout believer all her life still doesn't believe me when I tell her Methusela existed in the bible and lived to over 900 years old. Is it true that Pope's up until about 1500 were allowed to get married, have sex and children? And is it true that the church instated the celibacy rule to minimize loss of church property being left to family in wills? Yes I'm an arguementative nothing better to do with his time prick. But you've met me twice and must have come to that opinion by now. ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Is it true that Pope's up until about 1500 were allowed to get married, have sex and children? And is it true that the church instated the celibacy rule to minimize loss of church property being left to family in wills? Celibacy of the "clergy" started as earlier as 302 A.D. at the Spanish Council of Elvira. However, when one reads the New Testament, you will not find an elevated preisthood. All Christians are priests. (1 Peter 2:4-10) Furthermore, the qualifications for bishops (also called elders, presbyters, and pastors) call for them to be married and have children. (Titus 1:5-9, 1 Timothy 3:1-7) Same also for deacons. (1 Timothy 3:8-13) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Shaun Wilde wrote: I believe so - there is also a rumuour of a female Pope Wow- really? Crazy world. I have this Catholic uncle (well, he's my gran's second cousin I think, but I come from a large extended family) who is the most bigotted person I've ever met. I would love to be able to give him details on this - I think I'll Google it. Not that he'd believe it, however much proof he were shown. [edit] Here's what I found, for those who are interested: Her stay in the high seat lasted two years. All this time, disguised as a man, she fooled pages, attendants and a college full of cardinals and bishops. An unlikely idea but we forget what life was like in the 800’s. It is speculated that her chamberlain and she were lovers. You’d think that through all the menstrual cycles, pms and bad hair days, Joan would have been found out. Perhaps more men of the Vatican knew, admired her wisdom as a Church leader and kept her secret. Perhaps she threw wild orgies late at night when the others were abed. Perhaps she was a shapeless woman, lacking hips and breasts for definition and never had a bad hormone bout. Whatever the circumstances, Joan kept her secret for two years. As Pope John VIII, she lead the church until one fateful day in 855 AD. The Pope, in a procession from St. Peter’s to the Lateran, had to halt the party and much to the surprise of the crowds, gave birth right then and there. No prelude, no screaming in labor. Remember, this is a woman who never suffered from the blight of pms or cramps. Right there, in the street, like a champ, she brought forth a baby. It goes on to say that although she features in art, literature, etc till the 1600's, she then dissapeared. The theory is that the male dominated church couldn't deal with the idea. Interesting. [/edit]
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
I saw a documentary about this once. They explained that back then, people's food was not as nutricious as it is today, and this affected people's appearance - it was not as easy to distinguish men and women by sight. So based on that theory, it's possible that she could have disguised herself as a man and gotten away with it for a long time.
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Shaun Wilde wrote: I believe so - there is also a rumuour of a female Pope Wow- really? Crazy world. I have this Catholic uncle (well, he's my gran's second cousin I think, but I come from a large extended family) who is the most bigotted person I've ever met. I would love to be able to give him details on this - I think I'll Google it. Not that he'd believe it, however much proof he were shown. [edit] Here's what I found, for those who are interested: Her stay in the high seat lasted two years. All this time, disguised as a man, she fooled pages, attendants and a college full of cardinals and bishops. An unlikely idea but we forget what life was like in the 800’s. It is speculated that her chamberlain and she were lovers. You’d think that through all the menstrual cycles, pms and bad hair days, Joan would have been found out. Perhaps more men of the Vatican knew, admired her wisdom as a Church leader and kept her secret. Perhaps she threw wild orgies late at night when the others were abed. Perhaps she was a shapeless woman, lacking hips and breasts for definition and never had a bad hormone bout. Whatever the circumstances, Joan kept her secret for two years. As Pope John VIII, she lead the church until one fateful day in 855 AD. The Pope, in a procession from St. Peter’s to the Lateran, had to halt the party and much to the surprise of the crowds, gave birth right then and there. No prelude, no screaming in labor. Remember, this is a woman who never suffered from the blight of pms or cramps. Right there, in the street, like a champ, she brought forth a baby. It goes on to say that although she features in art, literature, etc till the 1600's, she then dissapeared. The theory is that the male dominated church couldn't deal with the idea. Interesting. [/edit]
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
Man, you can't make up stories this good. Thanks. :) BW "Computers are useless. They only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso
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Christmas ad's are driving me crazy! Here I sit, innocently trying to work, with live radio streaming coming through my earphones. You know what I'm listening to? One bastardised Christmas carol after the next. X| Can you believe they have even put words about some Braun electric toothbrush to a carol's tune? :mad: Apparently the average UK household (quoting from Thursday night's TV news) will go an extra £1000 into debt this Christmas. Ridiculous! Considering how many of them don't even follow the Christian religion (ok, ok, I know the man Christ was actually born around September, the day for remembering this was mixed with an ancient pagan holiday, etc, etc) what on earth are they doing?! :confused: I feel we have gone overboard forking out almost £200 on gifts in total, but considering that includes my husbands entire extended family are getting UK souveniers as Christmas presents and have missed him terribly this year, I didn't complain when he was generous towards them. £1000 in debt for an average UK family with 2 kids just seems insane. :suss: Damn - time to switch my listening to MP3's I think, where I can at least control what I listen to. :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
That's the reason I listen to Radio1 when at work (although sara cox and chris moyles irritate the tits off me) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Man, you can't make up stories this good. Thanks. :) BW "Computers are useless. They only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso
brianwelsch wrote: Man, you can't make up stories this good. :laugh: Stranger than fiction comes to mind... :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
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That's the reason I listen to Radio1 when at work (although sara cox and chris moyles irritate the tits off me) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: although sara cox and chris moyles irritate the tits off me I suppose this isn't such a loss for a guy... ;P
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
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benjymous wrote: although sara cox and chris moyles irritate the tits off me I suppose this isn't such a loss for a guy... ;P
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
I hadn't thought of that. I guess it'd make a good weight loss regieme (Just have a video of sara cox and chris moyles talking at you, which would spontaneously cause you to run away. Perhaps if you combined this with a treadmill, then you could keep me running indefinately!) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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I hadn't thought of that. I guess it'd make a good weight loss regieme (Just have a video of sara cox and chris moyles talking at you, which would spontaneously cause you to run away. Perhaps if you combined this with a treadmill, then you could keep me running indefinately!) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: I guess it'd make a good weight loss regieme Lol - I'd be willing to try. Still 3 BMI points to go.... :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
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benjymous wrote: I guess it'd make a good weight loss regieme Lol - I'd be willing to try. Still 3 BMI points to go.... :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
I'll send you my Grandma's fruitcake recipe for Christmas. No one's ever been able to digest it. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
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Christmas ad's are driving me crazy! Here I sit, innocently trying to work, with live radio streaming coming through my earphones. You know what I'm listening to? One bastardised Christmas carol after the next. X| Can you believe they have even put words about some Braun electric toothbrush to a carol's tune? :mad: Apparently the average UK household (quoting from Thursday night's TV news) will go an extra £1000 into debt this Christmas. Ridiculous! Considering how many of them don't even follow the Christian religion (ok, ok, I know the man Christ was actually born around September, the day for remembering this was mixed with an ancient pagan holiday, etc, etc) what on earth are they doing?! :confused: I feel we have gone overboard forking out almost £200 on gifts in total, but considering that includes my husbands entire extended family are getting UK souveniers as Christmas presents and have missed him terribly this year, I didn't complain when he was generous towards them. £1000 in debt for an average UK family with 2 kids just seems insane. :suss: Damn - time to switch my listening to MP3's I think, where I can at least control what I listen to. :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
Megan Forbes wrote: Damn - time to switch my listening to MP3's I think, where I can at least control what I listen to. Sounds like a TiVO for Radio is a must have christmas present this year. Hurry now and get two for the price of three! Only available at ChristmasSoulless.com. Happiness, meaning and family values not included... :rolleyes: Want to hear something sad? I have stopped listening to 5fm... :~ No not because I am getting old. They let Alex Jay and Barney Simon go! The fools! Now all you hear is R&B and Rap. Only three good DJs left on 5fm now. IanF, SashaM and Mark Pilgrim. *sigh* At least I miss all the ads now :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Megan Forbes wrote: Damn - time to switch my listening to MP3's I think, where I can at least control what I listen to. Sounds like a TiVO for Radio is a must have christmas present this year. Hurry now and get two for the price of three! Only available at ChristmasSoulless.com. Happiness, meaning and family values not included... :rolleyes: Want to hear something sad? I have stopped listening to 5fm... :~ No not because I am getting old. They let Alex Jay and Barney Simon go! The fools! Now all you hear is R&B and Rap. Only three good DJs left on 5fm now. IanF, SashaM and Mark Pilgrim. *sigh* At least I miss all the ads now :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Only available at ChristmasSoulless.com. Happiness, meaning and family values not included... :laugh: Paul Watson wrote: They let Alex Jay and Barney Simon go! I read that - very sad. I will have to find something else to listen to while driving there now. The cd shuttle might help of course...
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
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Christmas ad's are driving me crazy! Here I sit, innocently trying to work, with live radio streaming coming through my earphones. You know what I'm listening to? One bastardised Christmas carol after the next. X| Can you believe they have even put words about some Braun electric toothbrush to a carol's tune? :mad: Apparently the average UK household (quoting from Thursday night's TV news) will go an extra £1000 into debt this Christmas. Ridiculous! Considering how many of them don't even follow the Christian religion (ok, ok, I know the man Christ was actually born around September, the day for remembering this was mixed with an ancient pagan holiday, etc, etc) what on earth are they doing?! :confused: I feel we have gone overboard forking out almost £200 on gifts in total, but considering that includes my husbands entire extended family are getting UK souveniers as Christmas presents and have missed him terribly this year, I didn't complain when he was generous towards them. £1000 in debt for an average UK family with 2 kids just seems insane. :suss: Damn - time to switch my listening to MP3's I think, where I can at least control what I listen to. :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Damned nice for remote servers where using Enterprise Manager is like wadding through treacle while covered in velcro, upside down -Paul Watson on SQL Server Query Analyser
with live radio streaming coming through my earphones. Well, as my friend once said while we were twiddling the analog tuner in my car (this was years ago) trying to find a good radio station: "if one knob doesn't work, try the other one". Hmmm. I think you have to have been there to get it. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Christian Graus wrote: Megan Forbes wrote:: (ok, ok, I know the man Christ was actually born around September, the day for remembering this was mixed with an ancient pagan holiday, etc, etc) LOL - I'm pleased you know this, I am embroiled in argument on christian newsgroups with people who deny it... Can you give me a little bit more background info (links etc.) to this. I love educating my wife and her parents from time to time with some truths about their religion. I have read the bible (different versions) at least 3 times more than them put together (yes I have only read it 3 times). They are cathoic and just believe what they hear and have really never gone into reading and understanding their religion. My mother In-law Catholic School German Nuns and devout believer all her life still doesn't believe me when I tell her Methusela existed in the bible and lived to over 900 years old. Is it true that Pope's up until about 1500 were allowed to get married, have sex and children? And is it true that the church instated the celibacy rule to minimize loss of church property being left to family in wills? Yes I'm an arguementative nothing better to do with his time prick. But you've met me twice and must have come to that opinion by now. ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Is it true that Pope's up until about 1500 were allowed to get married, have sex and children? And is it true that the church instated the celibacy rule to minimize loss of church property being left to family in wills? I dunno about the latter, but in your three times through, did you notice one of the last NT books talks about false religion and says that forbidding people to marry is one sign they will have ? As for links, no, I have only read real books ( remember paper ? :-) ) about the subject. I'm sure there are plenty. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Michael Martin wrote: Is it true that Pope's up until about 1500 were allowed to get married, have sex and children? And is it true that the church instated the celibacy rule to minimize loss of church property being left to family in wills? I dunno about the latter, but in your three times through, did you notice one of the last NT books talks about false religion and says that forbidding people to marry is one sign they will have ? As for links, no, I have only read real books ( remember paper ? :-) ) about the subject. I'm sure there are plenty. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I dunno about the latter, but in your three times through, did you notice one of the last NT books talks about false religion and says that forbidding people to marry is one sign they will have ? Well since the last time I read the bible I was 12 or 13 I reckon I can forgive myself for not remembering everything. I don't remember that part. Does it mean that only a false religion would forbid anyone to marry? Christian Graus wrote: As for links, no, I have only read real books ( remember paper ? :) ) Yeah, I wipe my arse with the stuff. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: I dunno about the latter, but in your three times through, did you notice one of the last NT books talks about false religion and says that forbidding people to marry is one sign they will have ? Well since the last time I read the bible I was 12 or 13 I reckon I can forgive myself for not remembering everything. I don't remember that part. Does it mean that only a false religion would forbid anyone to marry? Christian Graus wrote: As for links, no, I have only read real books ( remember paper ? :) ) Yeah, I wipe my arse with the stuff. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: I dunno about the latter, but in your three times through, did you notice one of the last NT books talks about false religion and says that forbidding people to marry is one sign they will have ? Well since the last time I read the bible I was 12 or 13 I reckon I can forgive myself for not remembering everything. I don't remember that part. Does it mean that only a false religion would forbid anyone to marry? Christian Graus wrote: As for links, no, I have only read real books ( remember paper ? :) ) Yeah, I wipe my arse with the stuff. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Does it mean that only a false religion would forbid anyone to marry? According to the Bible, yes. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002