3 more Countries Subject to Special Registration in US
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SPECIAL REGISTRATION[^] Why don't they say all the MUSLIMS entering US needs special registration. That's better than listing few countries. or I would say it's better to make this Special Registration for all Non-US Citizens (visitors/non-immigrants/immigrants) Group 3: (from January 13, 2003) Armenia, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia Group 2: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Eritrea, Lebanon, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen Group 1: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria WHAT IS SPECIAL REGISTRATION? Special Registration is a system that will let the government keep track of nonimmigrants that come to the U.S. every year. Some of the approximately 35 million nonimmigrants who enter the U.S. – and some nonimmigrants already in the U.S. -- will be required to register with INS either at a port of entry or a designated INS office in accordance with the special registration procedures. These special procedures also require additional in-person interviews at an INS office and notifications to INS of changes of address, employment, or school. Nonimmigrants who must follow these special procedures will also have to use specially designated ports when they leave the country and report in person to an INS officer at the port on their departure date. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
Is it for men only ? in this PDF[^]: "If you are a national or citizen of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, or Syria [..] and If you are a male, born on or before November 15, 1986;" Sexual discriminations ? :)
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Is it for men only ? in this PDF[^]: "If you are a national or citizen of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, or Syria [..] and If you are a male, born on or before November 15, 1986;" Sexual discriminations ? :)
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Makes sense to me -- most of the recent terrorist acts have been committed by males of Middle East origin, ranging from 15-40 years old, and identify themselves with some form of fundamentalist Muslim religion. How many blue-haired grandma's are blowing themselves (and others) up in crowded public places? This isn't being racist, just extra careful about who you let into your country. Looking for terrorists is as important as looking for their devices/weapons... if not more important. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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Is it for men only ? in this PDF[^]: "If you are a national or citizen of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, or Syria [..] and If you are a male, born on or before November 15, 1986;" Sexual discriminations ? :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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SPECIAL REGISTRATION[^] Why don't they say all the MUSLIMS entering US needs special registration. That's better than listing few countries. or I would say it's better to make this Special Registration for all Non-US Citizens (visitors/non-immigrants/immigrants) Group 3: (from January 13, 2003) Armenia, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia Group 2: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Eritrea, Lebanon, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen Group 1: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria WHAT IS SPECIAL REGISTRATION? Special Registration is a system that will let the government keep track of nonimmigrants that come to the U.S. every year. Some of the approximately 35 million nonimmigrants who enter the U.S. – and some nonimmigrants already in the U.S. -- will be required to register with INS either at a port of entry or a designated INS office in accordance with the special registration procedures. These special procedures also require additional in-person interviews at an INS office and notifications to INS of changes of address, employment, or school. Nonimmigrants who must follow these special procedures will also have to use specially designated ports when they leave the country and report in person to an INS officer at the port on their departure date. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
This isn't what I was going to say (I had some crass flippant answer in mind, and of course, thinking about it, it seemed a more reasonable response would be, well, better???) I am somewhat of an isolationist. I think the US's borders are far too open. I have no problem with ethnic diversity and all that, but I do have a problem with people coming from other countries and then asking for a dole from the government (my tax dollars) because all of a sudden they are a minority group. Yes, I agree that people should be given opportunity, but the system has gotten far too corrupt and abused. It's time to close the doors and regroup. I've had the experience of living in Mexico and getting robbed. I've had the opposite experience and been asked by a Mexican that I had illegally hired (can't run for office now!) to do yard work occasionally, to keep his $2,000 in cash in my house because he was getting robbed by other Mexicans in the US. He disappeared for 6 months while that envelope sat on my bookcase. One day he finally showed up (thank goodness!) The point of that example is that here was a nice guy being screwed on by both sides of the border. The system is broken in so many ways it's not possible to fix it. It needs to be replaced. All this registration requirement stuff is just bullshit. I mean, look, the INS sent the damn terrorist a f*cking VISA AFTER he flew the jet into the Trade Towers. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Makes sense to me -- most of the recent terrorist acts have been committed by males of Middle East origin, ranging from 15-40 years old, and identify themselves with some form of fundamentalist Muslim religion. How many blue-haired grandma's are blowing themselves (and others) up in crowded public places? This isn't being racist, just extra careful about who you let into your country. Looking for terrorists is as important as looking for their devices/weapons... if not more important. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Chris Hambleton wrote: This isn't being racist, just extra careful about who you let into your country. It sounds logical to me too. However Israelians may testimony women may blow up themselves too, so it seems to me US aren't careful enough.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Makes sense to me -- most of the recent terrorist acts have been committed by males of Middle East origin, ranging from 15-40 years old, and identify themselves with some form of fundamentalist Muslim religion. How many blue-haired grandma's are blowing themselves (and others) up in crowded public places? This isn't being racist, just extra careful about who you let into your country. Looking for terrorists is as important as looking for their devices/weapons... if not more important. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
most of the recent terrorist acts have been committed by males of Middle East origin, Yes, and the women just put themselves and their babies between their terrorist husbands and the guys that want to shoot them. Ever read "Black Hawk Down"? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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This isn't what I was going to say (I had some crass flippant answer in mind, and of course, thinking about it, it seemed a more reasonable response would be, well, better???) I am somewhat of an isolationist. I think the US's borders are far too open. I have no problem with ethnic diversity and all that, but I do have a problem with people coming from other countries and then asking for a dole from the government (my tax dollars) because all of a sudden they are a minority group. Yes, I agree that people should be given opportunity, but the system has gotten far too corrupt and abused. It's time to close the doors and regroup. I've had the experience of living in Mexico and getting robbed. I've had the opposite experience and been asked by a Mexican that I had illegally hired (can't run for office now!) to do yard work occasionally, to keep his $2,000 in cash in my house because he was getting robbed by other Mexicans in the US. He disappeared for 6 months while that envelope sat on my bookcase. One day he finally showed up (thank goodness!) The point of that example is that here was a nice guy being screwed on by both sides of the border. The system is broken in so many ways it's not possible to fix it. It needs to be replaced. All this registration requirement stuff is just bullshit. I mean, look, the INS sent the damn terrorist a f*cking VISA AFTER he flew the jet into the Trade Towers. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: All this registration requirement stuff is just bullshit. I mean, look, the INS sent the damn terrorist a f*cking VISA AFTER he flew the jet into the Trade Towers. Wait a minute...come March 2003, say no more INS. Here it comes Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
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Marc Clifton wrote: All this registration requirement stuff is just bullshit. I mean, look, the INS sent the damn terrorist a f*cking VISA AFTER he flew the jet into the Trade Towers. Wait a minute...come March 2003, say no more INS. Here it comes Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
Wait a minute...come March 2003, say no more INS. That's the theory. One year to get everyone under the same Department Of Homeland Security roof, then a couple more years to iron out all the processes. Give me a break. Their trying to unify FBI, CIA, DEA, INS, NSA, IRA, IRS, UPS, FedEx (oops, I'm getting carried away)...the point is, the most daunting task is unifying the existing information and making new information exchange compatible, when, not only do these agencies each use their own systems, often, within a single agency there is more than one system. One year? The government does only one thing quickly. And that to slow down rapidly. It just won't happen. Let's check in next year and see how it goes. Oh, did I mention the ensuing political infighting, posturing, vying for the top positions, etc? Hey, I know. Maybe they can farm all this interface coding out to India! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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Yes. That's correct. But India's former Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed in the hands of two women members of the LTTE's shadow squad. So you never know.... Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
Yeah -- I said 'most', not 'all'. Not be ignorant or anything, but if martyred male Muslims are rewarded with eternity with 70+ virgins, what are martyred female Muslims rewarded with? I may be mistaken, but the Koran doesn't say much about Muslim women and their afterlives -- just men. Can anyone with some deeper knowledge of Islam clue me in on that? Now, if that's correct that the Koran is silent on the fates of female Muslim martyrs, they have even LESS of a reason to commit suicide bombings than their male-counterparts!! Not to start anything here, but the theology of "God will reward me with heaven by kill non-believers, regardless of who they are (whether they're innocents, women, children, unborn, etc)" is completely and utterly evil -- and yes, the Church is as guilty of that as any group of Muslims every was... thankfully, the organized Church has had a lot of it's worldly power and influence removed. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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most of the recent terrorist acts have been committed by males of Middle East origin, Yes, and the women just put themselves and their babies between their terrorist husbands and the guys that want to shoot them. Ever read "Black Hawk Down"? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaNot to be offensive (so be warned!!), but I heard a quote a few months ago that really hit the nail on the head: Question: "When will there be peace in the Middle East?" Answer: "When the Arab/Muslim mothers and fathers love their children more than they hate the Jews..." :( Even if Israel wasn't back in the land and it was a Palestinian state, there would still be major conflicts over there between the moderate Muslims vs the fundamentals Muslims. Israel is probably the only reason why they're not fighting each other all the time! _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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SPECIAL REGISTRATION[^] Why don't they say all the MUSLIMS entering US needs special registration. That's better than listing few countries. or I would say it's better to make this Special Registration for all Non-US Citizens (visitors/non-immigrants/immigrants) Group 3: (from January 13, 2003) Armenia, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia Group 2: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Eritrea, Lebanon, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen Group 1: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria WHAT IS SPECIAL REGISTRATION? Special Registration is a system that will let the government keep track of nonimmigrants that come to the U.S. every year. Some of the approximately 35 million nonimmigrants who enter the U.S. – and some nonimmigrants already in the U.S. -- will be required to register with INS either at a port of entry or a designated INS office in accordance with the special registration procedures. These special procedures also require additional in-person interviews at an INS office and notifications to INS of changes of address, employment, or school. Nonimmigrants who must follow these special procedures will also have to use specially designated ports when they leave the country and report in person to an INS officer at the port on their departure date. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
I read an article yesterday (sorry, can't be bothered finding the link) that said the INS was starting to enforce a rule that all foreigners need to notify the government if they change their address! The funny thing is, these forms are coming in at such a rate that there's not enough staff to process them so they're just stacking up in boxes :-)
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Wait a minute...come March 2003, say no more INS. That's the theory. One year to get everyone under the same Department Of Homeland Security roof, then a couple more years to iron out all the processes. Give me a break. Their trying to unify FBI, CIA, DEA, INS, NSA, IRA, IRS, UPS, FedEx (oops, I'm getting carried away)...the point is, the most daunting task is unifying the existing information and making new information exchange compatible, when, not only do these agencies each use their own systems, often, within a single agency there is more than one system. One year? The government does only one thing quickly. And that to slow down rapidly. It just won't happen. Let's check in next year and see how it goes. Oh, did I mention the ensuing political infighting, posturing, vying for the top positions, etc? Hey, I know. Maybe they can farm all this interface coding out to India! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaI notice that the hardest thing to do in politcs is nothing. Too many people want politicians to come up with an answer, any answer then worry later if its the right one. We get the government we deserve, not the goverment we need X| Elaine (not too fluffy on this) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Not to be offensive (so be warned!!), but I heard a quote a few months ago that really hit the nail on the head: Question: "When will there be peace in the Middle East?" Answer: "When the Arab/Muslim mothers and fathers love their children more than they hate the Jews..." :( Even if Israel wasn't back in the land and it was a Palestinian state, there would still be major conflicts over there between the moderate Muslims vs the fundamentals Muslims. Israel is probably the only reason why they're not fighting each other all the time! _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
No offense taken. I think this is a true statement for all of us. Replace "Arab/Muslim" and with our own group that we identify with, and "Jews" with the opposing group. It seems our children get caught in the middle a lot. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
I notice that the hardest thing to do in politcs is nothing. Too many people want politicians to come up with an answer, any answer then worry later if its the right one. We get the government we deserve, not the goverment we need X| Elaine (not too fluffy on this) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
I notice that the hardest thing to do in politcs is nothing. An excellent point. It seems that politicians are knee-jerk reactionary to the interests of lobbyists, etc. It's almost like the system has gone into a runaway state. People are reacting to things based on how they think other people want them to react. Nobody is thinking. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
Chris Hambleton wrote: This isn't being racist, just extra careful about who you let into your country. It sounds logical to me too. However Israelians may testimony women may blow up themselves too, so it seems to me US aren't careful enough.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Not to be offensive (so be warned!!), but I heard a quote a few months ago that really hit the nail on the head: Question: "When will there be peace in the Middle East?" Answer: "When the Arab/Muslim mothers and fathers love their children more than they hate the Jews..." :( Even if Israel wasn't back in the land and it was a Palestinian state, there would still be major conflicts over there between the moderate Muslims vs the fundamentals Muslims. Israel is probably the only reason why they're not fighting each other all the time! _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Even if Israel wasn't back in the land and it was a Palestinian state, there would still be major conflicts over there between the moderate Muslims vs the fundamentals Muslims. Israel is probably the only reason why they're not fighting each other all the time! Actually, the conflict lines are a lot bigger than Moderate Muslims vs Fundamentalist Muslims. And, they really are fighting each other more than most people realize. The Jews vs Palestinians gets the most press because it's one of the only things that Arabs can all agree on. Stories like this[^] make you realize how much more sensitive Arabs are to Jewish crimes than Arab-vs-Arab crimes. (No, that statement is not meant to sweep Israeli actions under the rug.) ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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SPECIAL REGISTRATION[^] Why don't they say all the MUSLIMS entering US needs special registration. That's better than listing few countries. or I would say it's better to make this Special Registration for all Non-US Citizens (visitors/non-immigrants/immigrants) Group 3: (from January 13, 2003) Armenia, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia Group 2: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Eritrea, Lebanon, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen Group 1: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria WHAT IS SPECIAL REGISTRATION? Special Registration is a system that will let the government keep track of nonimmigrants that come to the U.S. every year. Some of the approximately 35 million nonimmigrants who enter the U.S. – and some nonimmigrants already in the U.S. -- will be required to register with INS either at a port of entry or a designated INS office in accordance with the special registration procedures. These special procedures also require additional in-person interviews at an INS office and notifications to INS of changes of address, employment, or school. Nonimmigrants who must follow these special procedures will also have to use specially designated ports when they leave the country and report in person to an INS officer at the port on their departure date. Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.
I really don't see anything wrong with that. Saudi Arabia (still emotionally conflicted about the fact that 15 of 19 Sept11 hijackers were Saudi) decided to do impose lots of restrictions on Americans entering Saudi Arabia (apparently as a tit-for-tat strategy - because it seems to serve no other purpose). I think that would be fine if 15 Americans hijacked Saudi planes and flew them into Saudi buildings and killing 3000 people. (I think Saudi Arabia just hasn't brought itself to the point of acknowledging the terrorist threat some of its citizens pose to the US. So, it pretends the threat doesn't exist - which necessarily means US measures are 'unprovoked', and therefore warrant tit-for-tat retaliation.) It's about time we give up this stupid let's-not-offend-anyone BS. We're not talking about putting Arab families in internment camps or beating them with weapons simply for being Arab. Let's face it: we have a limited budget. That means you think about how most effectively find threats with those limited resources. Airport security is much the same way. Instead of looking for likely threats, we're searching grandpas from Iowa and Al Gore! Just give me my frickin tax money back because the government is totally inept when it uses my tax dollars to search Al Gore for bombs! http://www.usatoday.com/travel/vacations/destinations/2002/2002-11-15-celebs-security.htm[^] If Arabs want to blame someone for this inconvenience, they should blame the terrorists. Afterall, it is the terrorists who intentionally hide themselves in the larger Arab population, while concealing their plans to murder as many people as possible. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Yeah -- I said 'most', not 'all'. Not be ignorant or anything, but if martyred male Muslims are rewarded with eternity with 70+ virgins, what are martyred female Muslims rewarded with? I may be mistaken, but the Koran doesn't say much about Muslim women and their afterlives -- just men. Can anyone with some deeper knowledge of Islam clue me in on that? Now, if that's correct that the Koran is silent on the fates of female Muslim martyrs, they have even LESS of a reason to commit suicide bombings than their male-counterparts!! Not to start anything here, but the theology of "God will reward me with heaven by kill non-believers, regardless of who they are (whether they're innocents, women, children, unborn, etc)" is completely and utterly evil -- and yes, the Church is as guilty of that as any group of Muslims every was... thankfully, the organized Church has had a lot of it's worldly power and influence removed. _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Chris Hambleton wrote: Not be ignorant or anything, but if martyred male Muslims are rewarded with eternity with 70+ virgins, what are martyred female Muslims rewarded with? Maybe their clitorises back? :wtf: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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I notice that the hardest thing to do in politcs is nothing. An excellent point. It seems that politicians are knee-jerk reactionary to the interests of lobbyists, etc. It's almost like the system has gone into a runaway state. People are reacting to things based on how they think other people want them to react. Nobody is thinking. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Nobody is thinking. Welcome in a multimedia World, where the connection is more important than the content :) CP remembers the small village of Asterix[^]: "One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the financial legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of MS, Sun, Oracle and Linux :-D"
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again