Carbon taxes [modified]
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I'm told India has a carbon tax now, is that right ? I think it's the highest order of stupidity. Assuming that carbon is warming our atmosphere at the rate some claim, why spend a fortune so that instead of getting to xx ppm in Jan, we get there in June ?
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modified on Monday, July 4, 2011 12:27 AM
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I'm told India has a carbon tax now, is that right ? I think it's the highest order of stupidity. Assuming that carbon is warming our atmosphere at the rate some claim, why spend a fortune so that instead of getting to xx ppm in Jan, we get there in June ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Monday, July 4, 2011 12:27 AM
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It's genius tho. The ill informed latte set is actually crying out for this new tax to come and save them !!!
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm told India has a carbon tax now, is that right ? I think it's the highest order of stupidity. Assuming that carbon is warming our atmosphere at the rate some claim, why spend a fortune so that instead of getting to xx ppm in Jan, we get there in June ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Monday, July 4, 2011 12:27 AM
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It's genius tho. The ill informed latte set is actually crying out for this new tax to come and save them !!!
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
yes did you see the rallies a while ago around australia by the mad "get up" outfit. they did everything short of yelling 'what do we want?" "a new TAX" "When do we want it?" "NOW!" The Morons Bryce
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yes did you see the rallies a while ago around australia by the mad "get up" outfit. they did everything short of yelling 'what do we want?" "a new TAX" "When do we want it?" "NOW!" The Morons Bryce
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Well, I did see that, but I also saw that the media was exaggerating the number of people involved, and ignoring the people protesting and saying the last thing we need is a new tax.
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Well, I did see that, but I also saw that the media was exaggerating the number of people involved, and ignoring the people protesting and saying the last thing we need is a new tax.
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dude- i thought you were a leftie pinko? especially living in Taswegianland you're sounding very errr "conservative" bryce
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dude- i thought you were a leftie pinko? especially living in Taswegianland you're sounding very errr "conservative" bryce
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My position is what it always was. The world is definitely getting warmer, people who try to prove otherwise, misunderstand the position being taken. The question really is, how much is carbon creating that, and, if it is, what's the best response ? A carbon tax is the worst possible response, if the AGW alarmists claims are 100% true.
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My position is what it always was. The world is definitely getting warmer, people who try to prove otherwise, misunderstand the position being taken. The question really is, how much is carbon creating that, and, if it is, what's the best response ? A carbon tax is the worst possible response, if the AGW alarmists claims are 100% true.
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ahh so you're saying "climate changes, it always has and there are many reasons for it (sun, ice ages, etc) - c02 is part of the equation and we need to understand it fully before we tax it." Bryce
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ahh so you're saying "climate changes, it always has and there are many reasons for it (sun, ice ages, etc) - c02 is part of the equation and we need to understand it fully before we tax it." Bryce
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Not quite. I'm saying that CO2 is probably not the only thing causing temperature changes, and there's a lot of alarmism, but no level of understanding will change that taxing carbon is stupid. It won't really change anything. I know people who say 'why not stop pumping poison in the air', and yet, they use electricity every day, and eat meat ( cows producing more CO2 than cars, as I am sure you know ). Any solution or response needs to not just score political points, but actually help the situation, and not hurt people on the basis of a guess, especially with no real benefit.
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Not quite. I'm saying that CO2 is probably not the only thing causing temperature changes, and there's a lot of alarmism, but no level of understanding will change that taxing carbon is stupid. It won't really change anything. I know people who say 'why not stop pumping poison in the air', and yet, they use electricity every day, and eat meat ( cows producing more CO2 than cars, as I am sure you know ). Any solution or response needs to not just score political points, but actually help the situation, and not hurt people on the basis of a guess, especially with no real benefit.
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no issues on the natural variation and null hypothesis? Bryce
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no issues on the natural variation and null hypothesis? Bryce
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I'm not sure what you're asking ? My view, based on a lot of reading of opposing views, is that it's probable that we're having an impact on climate, but that vested interests are exaggerating it. However, that's one step removed from my point because, I am saying that there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I'm not sure what you're asking ? My view, based on a lot of reading of opposing views, is that it's probable that we're having an impact on climate, but that vested interests are exaggerating it. However, that's one step removed from my point because, I am saying that there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
no matter what they say, That's the truth!!
You can flame me whichever way you want and I wouldn't care a bit. But if you group me with some idiots, I'll turn into your worst nightmare.
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I'm not sure what you're asking ? My view, based on a lot of reading of opposing views, is that it's probable that we're having an impact on climate, but that vested interests are exaggerating it. However, that's one step removed from my point because, I am saying that there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying that there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
i find myself agreeing with you on this salient point - ya big tree hugging pinko leftie :) and i think the majority of australia agrees with you. Now, what do you make of Ms Gillard in general? bryce
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying that there is no set of circumstances under which a carbon tax is an effective tool for anything other than revenue raising.
i find myself agreeing with you on this salient point - ya big tree hugging pinko leftie :) and i think the majority of australia agrees with you. Now, what do you make of Ms Gillard in general? bryce
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bryce wrote:
Now, what do you make of Ms Gillard in general?
Bloody useless. But, no better or worse than any other politician I've seen.
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bryce wrote:
Now, what do you make of Ms Gillard in general?
Bloody useless. But, no better or worse than any other politician I've seen.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Bloody useless.
care to expand? bryce
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Christian Graus wrote:
Bloody useless.
care to expand? bryce
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She obviously lied about the carbon tax. She's the captain of the ship that has no idea what to do about refugees, and would prefer to benefit from inciting racism in the community, than fixing the problem. What has she done that's remotely noteworthy ?
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I'm told India has a carbon tax now, is that right ? I think it's the highest order of stupidity. Assuming that carbon is warming our atmosphere at the rate some claim, why spend a fortune so that instead of getting to xx ppm in Jan, we get there in June ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Mm.. politic in the lounge? Personally I think it's great. The idea is to make polluting stuff more expensive (ideally they could (but they won't :( ) use the revenue for cleaning up) and clean stuff comparatively less attractive. There is a necessity to promote less polluting stuff, survival is at stake. What's not to love with doing something about it?
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Mm.. politic in the lounge? Personally I think it's great. The idea is to make polluting stuff more expensive (ideally they could (but they won't :( ) use the revenue for cleaning up) and clean stuff comparatively less attractive. There is a necessity to promote less polluting stuff, survival is at stake. What's not to love with doing something about it?
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Super Lloyd wrote:
What's not to love with doing something about it?
All sorts of things. First of all, big business is lining up for exemptions, and people on low incomes are being given rebates so they are not impacted. If most people get a rebate, then how is it going to control emissions ? Second - if you think that CO2 is choking the earth, how does a tax stop it ? If it slows down emissions, then that just means we get to the same concentration point, slightly later. How would that help, long term ? Finally, what are the odds of these taxes being used to do anything to promote alternative energy sources ? Very small, I'd say.
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She obviously lied about the carbon tax. She's the captain of the ship that has no idea what to do about refugees, and would prefer to benefit from inciting racism in the community, than fixing the problem. What has she done that's remotely noteworthy ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
What has she done that's remotely noteworthy ?
why knifed Kevin Rudd of course! other than that..ahh errm ahh - didnt she open a school or a mall or something? Bryce
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