How Good is Democracy..
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Nope its Not like this.. See consider 1000 people live in India and more than 500+ people dont want him to be elected.The State of Gujrat has 100 people living and 75+ people want to him elected..So he gets elected and rules the state..But Across the country people know he tarnished the image of India and so they hate him but in his state peole elected him becos of Communal polarization...So u see my point. He came to power becos of Democracy loopholes.. cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote: The State of Gujrat has 100 people living and 75+ people want to him elected..So he gets elected and rules the state.. How is that the business of people across the country ? If he's not ruling you, it's none of your business if those he rules want him. super wrote: He came to power becos of Democracy loopholes.. Bollocks. He came to power because the majority want him to be. The majority of people who he does not rule do not count, if they did, then I should get as say as well. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super, I don't quite understand your example, but I can show you other examples where the minority win above the majority. lets say you have 100,000 voters, and 100 candidates for 10 councilors positions -> then the average candidate will get 1000 votes And its possible to get all 10 councilors elected mathematically with slightly more than 10% of all the votes. So almost 90% of the voters wanted somebody else. ( ok I have seen this happen in Brasil ) The way around this is to have preferential voting where you can give each candidate a number in preference eg 1 to 100 in the above case. This makes voting complicated and counting votes near impossible. (which is where electronic elections would be good) Democracy does suck, but if we work at it we can make it suck less. There are countless solutions to making democracy better unfortunately the folks in power would be disadvantaged and therefore won't implement changes. To me this is an inherent flaw of democracy, that is paralleled by how communists behave. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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super wrote: The State of Gujrat has 100 people living and 75+ people want to him elected..So he gets elected and rules the state.. How is that the business of people across the country ? If he's not ruling you, it's none of your business if those he rules want him. super wrote: He came to power becos of Democracy loopholes.. Bollocks. He came to power because the majority want him to be. The majority of people who he does not rule do not count, if they did, then I should get as say as well. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: He came to power because the majority want him to be I don't think it's enough to guarantee democracy, or the 3rd Reich was democratic! A democracy defines itself by the primacy of the majority, but also by subscribing to an ethic, called the Human Rights, to defend and protect the individuals against the collectivity.
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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We've mastered the art to convicne people A glass of Coke is better than a glass of Pepsi. Does this ring a bell? Politics is a whore. She goes with the one who pays.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: We've mastered the art to convicne people A glass of Coke is better than a glass of Pepsi :confused: But Coke is better than Pepsi. *says Paul as he mechanically takes a sip from his bottle of coke while hearing the tenth subliminal coke advert of the day on the radio* ;)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: "The Labia [cinema]... ...was opened by Princess Labia in May 1949..." Christian Graus wrote: See, I told you it was a nice name for a girl...
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Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote: Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases... I think you are confusing the Idea with the Implementation. Java is a great idea, but just try implementing it and see the mess that comes out. My point being that us fallible humans have implemented the idea of democracy and have, well, not implemented it all that well. We have functional specifications for democracy but how many times do we actually refer to it and if you compare the spec with the product, well they differ don't they? Still, as Michael P Butler A. Barnhart keeps saying, write to your ministers/senators/hob-knobs. Complain, make yourself heard, join a march, do something. Don't just bitch to us international CPians.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: "The Labia [cinema]... ...was opened by Princess Labia in May 1949..." Christian Graus wrote: See, I told you it was a nice name for a girl...
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We've mastered the art to convicne people A glass of Coke is better than a glass of Pepsi. Does this ring a bell? Politics is a whore. She goes with the one who pays.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
peterchen wrote: Politics is a whore. She goes with the one who pays. Doesn't it happen because the citizens are nowadays too lazy to care about ?
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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peterchen wrote: Politics is a whore. She goes with the one who pays. Doesn't it happen because the citizens are nowadays too lazy to care about ?
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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My mum says it's been always this way ;)
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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Christian Graus wrote: He came to power because the majority want him to be I don't think it's enough to guarantee democracy, or the 3rd Reich was democratic! A democracy defines itself by the primacy of the majority, but also by subscribing to an ethic, called the Human Rights, to defend and protect the individuals against the collectivity.
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
KaЯl wrote: or the 3rd Reich was democratic! The 3rd Reich defines a problem with democracy, most people are too stupid to deserve a vote. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
KaЯl wrote: or the 3rd Reich was democratic! The 3rd Reich defines a problem with democracy, most people are too stupid to deserve a vote. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: The 3rd Reich defines a problem with democracy As this time Germany didn't have the experience of democracy except during the short Weimar Republic. Elections going to dictatorship generally happen during the first experiences of democracy (with the notable exception of South America) Christian Graus wrote: most people are too stupid to deserve a vote I don't think so, if the Democracy is able to set the rules protecting itself, as Germany did after WW(part 2). It's also IMO a problem of education of the masses, but governments are less and less investing in this sector, and media are often more interested in manipulation than in education
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
I'm not sure you've described anything wrong with the system. Assuming there are not major restrictions on who may vote, it sounds like the majority has spoken. Is it possible that this candidates opposition might just be more vocal than his support, so it only seems the majority is against him? I know part of the problem here the US, is that the population doesn't educate itself enough, and so often just votes for the name they recognize(ie. whoever is currently in office). What is the Hindu Fundementalist stand? What are they doing wrong? Was the opposition a valid choice to help make positive changes? BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
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Christian Graus wrote: The 3rd Reich defines a problem with democracy As this time Germany didn't have the experience of democracy except during the short Weimar Republic. Elections going to dictatorship generally happen during the first experiences of democracy (with the notable exception of South America) Christian Graus wrote: most people are too stupid to deserve a vote I don't think so, if the Democracy is able to set the rules protecting itself, as Germany did after WW(part 2). It's also IMO a problem of education of the masses, but governments are less and less investing in this sector, and media are often more interested in manipulation than in education
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson
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"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Knowing that Churchill was the instigator of the bloody failure of the Dardanelles expedition[^] during WW(part 1), I can affirm he wasn't always right :)
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
Mr. Modi is not ruling all of India. In my state we have a corrupt governor. He doesn't rule the entire country therefore no one else in the country gives a rats butt. super wrote: IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office..... Aside from armed conflict? No. But then you wouldn't be a democracy any more. You would be a dictatorship.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism * -
Knowing that Churchill was the instigator of the bloody failure of the Dardanelles expedition[^] during WW(part 1), I can affirm he wasn't always right :)
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
I just think its a cool quote. :cool:
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism * -
Well Everyone says Democracy is the Best Form of government but is it true in all cases.. Recently we had a state election in Gujrat..Well the majority of people in India were against Mr Modi(Hindu Fundamentalist who fuelled communal tension in the state of Gujrat).But to the Surprise of Everyone He was re-elected with 2/3 majority(Election was Fair and free). :mad::mad: Many people are shocked and believe more communal clash may start. But Indian Consitution says that Govt elected by people cannot be declared "Null and Void" IS there any way these people can be prevented from taking office.....:(( cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
Democracy: a government of the people chosen by the people... More people voted for the third series of Big Brother in the United Kingdom than people voted during the 2001 national elections...
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