Teenager eaten by Polar bear.
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Eric_V wrote:
I like the generall pithy nature of it all: There they are, studying GW, melting ice caps, polar bear number plumeting.... And they get trapped by ice and attacked by bears.
:thumbsup: Thought that myself.
djj55 wrote:
Thought that myself.
It was a 'Young Explorers' expedition, the science is to provide 'educational' content. In the wilds, the science project is always going to be something 'environmental'. Why not monitoring 'climate change'?
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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What annoys me about is that the polar bear got shot for just doing what it is supposed to do when someone invaded its territory. Although I was surprised to see no-one claiming it must have been a Muslim polar bear. One of the kids had an operation to remove the bear's teeth from his skull a day or two ago.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Oh, yeah, so, if a bear was cracking your skull open and mauling you, you'd be lying there, screaming "don't kill it, it's just doing what it is supposed to!" would you?
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Oh, yeah, so, if a bear was cracking your skull open and mauling you, you'd be lying there, screaming "don't kill it, it's just doing what it is supposed to!" would you?
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"The anticipated outcomes are based around the following nine virtues: Leadership Team Working Communication Group Management Risk Awareness & Management Organisation, Motivation & Discipline Fundraising Project Management Feedback Expedition Skills" That is what is being 'sold' to the schools. Remove the 'Fundraising' aspect, and it's the same sort of waffle that Management Consultants and the Armed Forces peddle. (Although the latter may very well require Fundraising Project Management very soon.) "General themes are centred around climate change, biodiversity, and human interaction with the environment." Why omit the last two? They're 'Enviro'ist, and contribute to Climate Change studies.
fat__boy wrote:
So, a couple of guys, who like trecking around the arctic, sell Climate Change studies to schools and thus get to enjoy their passion, and, in their naivety, get a kid killed.
... the official enquiry (aka Daily Mail comments) reported yesterday.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
ict558 wrote:
Why omit the last two? They're 'Enviro'ist, and contribute to Climate Change studies.
Why? Because to imitate, in the best tradition, a fat_boy post, one has to trim out the unnecessary details. :)
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I take it you think people should be prosecuted for defending their homes against burglars and intruders then?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Well, that is the most massive leap in assumptive deduction I have ever experienced. To answer your question, I believe that the use of reasonable force in defending yourself or your property is appropriate. If someone tries to break into your home, while you are in, and you hit them sufficiently to stop them being any danger to you, then that's fine in my book. If you continue to hit them much beyond that point, well, it really does depend on the circumstances - I can see that some people might just lose it and go further than they meant to - but what is the alternative? turn a blind eye? Under exactly what circumstances? Who would make the decision as to whether to turn a blind eye unless the case is prosecuted? I cold invite you to my home, beat you into a bloody mess, then deny having invited you. My address is.. (joking!)
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Well, that is the most massive leap in assumptive deduction I have ever experienced. To answer your question, I believe that the use of reasonable force in defending yourself or your property is appropriate. If someone tries to break into your home, while you are in, and you hit them sufficiently to stop them being any danger to you, then that's fine in my book. If you continue to hit them much beyond that point, well, it really does depend on the circumstances - I can see that some people might just lose it and go further than they meant to - but what is the alternative? turn a blind eye? Under exactly what circumstances? Who would make the decision as to whether to turn a blind eye unless the case is prosecuted? I cold invite you to my home, beat you into a bloody mess, then deny having invited you. My address is.. (joking!)
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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What annoys me about is that the polar bear got shot for just doing what it is supposed to do when someone invaded its territory. Although I was surprised to see no-one claiming it must have been a Muslim polar bear. One of the kids had an operation to remove the bear's teeth from his skull a day or two ago.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Eric_V wrote:
See, not only do Enviro activists expend vast amounts of carbon visiting these far flung places, but also kil the very wildlife they purport to be protecting!
... a hackneyed meme - even had they been 'Enviro' activists. But they weren't. This was a 'Young Explorers' expedition - climbing mountains, traversing glaciers, enduring snowstorms, making and striking camp, all that sort of 'Scouting for Boys' stuff. But there has to be some sort of 'scientific' project - can't all be fun and games. Given that they're stuck in the wilds, the project is always going to be some form of environmental study.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
Oh come on, clearly they are enviro freaks. All this talk of CC, bio diversity? You got to read between the lines! No? You know the CC movement is desperate to subvert the kids; its why they push the topic so damn hard in schools. It is almost Maoist/Stalinist in it's intent. Little Re Book, father figure, papa Stalin. If they tr to brainwash my kid this way they are going to have the mother of battles on their hands.
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Oh, yeah, so, if a bear was cracking your skull open and mauling you, you'd be lying there, screaming "don't kill it, it's just doing what it is supposed to!" would you?
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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If you don't want to get eaten by lions don't climb into the lion cage. But if you do then don't blame the lion, it aint his fault.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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djj55 wrote:
Thought that myself.
It was a 'Young Explorers' expedition, the science is to provide 'educational' content. In the wilds, the science project is always going to be something 'environmental'. Why not monitoring 'climate change'?
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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If you don't want to get eaten by lions don't climb into the lion cage. But if you do then don't blame the lion, it aint his fault.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
But this polar bear wasn't euthanized, was it? It was shot by the people rescuing their friends. Different water-boiler of pisceans, my friend.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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If you don't want to get eaten by lions don't climb into the lion cage. But if you do then don't blame the lion, it aint his fault.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Who's blaming the lion (Polar Bear?) The issue was killing the polar bar - and it was not shot in retribution it was shot in self defense.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Nah, fuck the bear, it's survivial of the species, my genes threatened by it's genes? Guess who is the loser.
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Eric_V wrote:
Guess who is the loser.
The kid in the tent?
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Oh come on, clearly they are enviro freaks. All this talk of CC, bio diversity? You got to read between the lines! No? You know the CC movement is desperate to subvert the kids; its why they push the topic so damn hard in schools. It is almost Maoist/Stalinist in it's intent. Little Re Book, father figure, papa Stalin. If they tr to brainwash my kid this way they are going to have the mother of battles on their hands.
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Eric_V wrote:
It is almost Maoist/Stalinist in it's intent.
Very funny, but I'm not biting. :-D BTW: I once had a copy of the 'Little Red Book'. It was thrust into my hands by a RC priest, who assured me that it would answer any problems I might have in life. I thought it was some religious tract, so it was only when I came to throw it away ...
Eric_V wrote:
If they try to brainwash my kid this way they are going to have the mother of battles on their hands.
But they're British. Only Americans can be brainwashed - it's been scientifically proven.
Truth, Justice ... or the American way? - Trad.
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ict558 wrote:
Why not monitoring 'climate change'?
Because it is a crock of shit?
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Eric_V wrote:
Because it is a crock of sh*t?
I didn't say why not monitor Catastrophic Anthropo_genic_ Global Warming. Edit: Anthropological?! How could I? (I usually write anthropomorphic. :) )
Truth, Justice ... or the American way? - Trad.
modified on Friday, August 12, 2011 3:37 AM
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Eric_V wrote:
Guess who is the loser.
The kid in the tent?
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Eric_V wrote:
Because it is a crock of sh*t?
I didn't say why not monitor Catastrophic Anthropo_genic_ Global Warming. Edit: Anthropological?! How could I? (I usually write anthropomorphic. :) )
Truth, Justice ... or the American way? - Trad.
modified on Friday, August 12, 2011 3:37 AM
ict558 wrote:
I didn't say why not monitor Catastrophic Anthropological Global Warming.
Whats the difference? It's undergone a number of name changes, GW, to CC, to I foget the latest incarnation, but its the same beast, no matter what it is called.
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But this polar bear wasn't euthanized, was it? It was shot by the people rescuing their friends. Different water-boiler of pisceans, my friend.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
The bear still lost its life because of the actions of the humans rather than through any fault of its own. Whatever their reasons for delivering the kill are irrelevant.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.