Objections to Christianity
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You have no evidence to support your theory yet that is the only argument you have. Evidence. So show some evidence He doesn't exist. You haven't even tried.
Your argument is very weak, and hopefully the reason will become obvious with an analogous one: Dragons are very real indeed. Don't believe me? Well then, prove that they don't exist, otherwise accept that they do.
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I know I can't convince you. I have talked to way too many people like you. I just think it is interesting how you can look all around you and believe it all came from nothing. Have you ever studied the universe? Have you ever studied a seed or even the human body? If there is no God, why do you obey any laws? Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you go to work? Why do you do anything? What's the point? You can't see wind and I bet you believe in wind. Why? Because of the evidence that it exists. Because of the impact and effect it has on things. I'll bet you have never seen an electron but I am sure you believe in them. If you look, you can see evidence of God everywhere, including in the mirror. Whether you like it or not, you are proof that God exists. Instead of denying it and pretend it is not there, you ought to try embracing that. I do respect your right to believe what you want, I just can't understand why you would want to believe the way you do.
ryanb31 wrote:
I know I can't convince you.
I think that's because "it's obvious!" is not a very convincing argument.
ryanb31 wrote:
I just think it is interesting how you can look all around you and believe it all came from nothing.
It's probably not something we would have come up with from a vacuum. The reason we believe in the Big Bang is because every piece of evidence found thus far points towards it. In other words, reality supports it.
ryanb31 wrote:
Have you ever studied a seed or even the human body?
Evolution explains them perfectly well. For example, evolution explains why the recurrent laryngeal nerve takes such a needlessly meandering route around the arch of the aorta even though it only has to go practically from the brain to the larynx. It would make no sense to be designed in such a way, but in fish this nerve actually does take a direct route, and through evolution as the heart descended the nerve was forced to elongate with it, being 'caught on the wrong side' and having no mechanism for getting around it.
ryanb31 wrote:
If there is no God, why do you obey any laws?
In your mind, god will reward you for obeying laws, so you do. That makes it a purely selfish reason.
ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you go to work? Why do you do anything? What's the point?
Do you only feel pleasure and pain with respect to your religion? Have you never done something just because you wanted to, rather than because you thought god might want you to do so?
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't see wind and I bet you believe in wind. Why? Because of the evidence that it exists. Because of the impact and effect it has on things.
You're right, I could hold a pinwheel outside on a windy day and it would certainly do something. What I couldn't do is hold a pinwheel inside where the air is completely still and say, "God, if you're real, make this pinwheel turn," and have it actually turn. That never happens, and has never happened, not once. I could ask him to make me rich, or make me poor, or make a coin land on heads 100 times in a r
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Well, you don't need to pray to a sky pixie in order to have a sense of humor :-D Granted, two of those were from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and the third already well-known, so I can't claim originality there... Credit where credit is due.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)You've gotta give him credit, he's managed to parrot almost all of the most common vacuous-creationist-drivel that I've ever heard in one short conversation. It's difficult I'm sure to be so deluded and to be able to scrape together the mental wherewithal to type out a sentence on a computer.
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You've gotta give him credit, he's managed to parrot almost all of the most common vacuous-creationist-drivel that I've ever heard in one short conversation. It's difficult I'm sure to be so deluded and to be able to scrape together the mental wherewithal to type out a sentence on a computer.
I wasn't even going to get into this one... Figured Dave would trounce him thoroughly... But it's been one of those months...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
ryanb31 wrote:
I know I can't convince you.
I think that's because "it's obvious!" is not a very convincing argument.
ryanb31 wrote:
I just think it is interesting how you can look all around you and believe it all came from nothing.
It's probably not something we would have come up with from a vacuum. The reason we believe in the Big Bang is because every piece of evidence found thus far points towards it. In other words, reality supports it.
ryanb31 wrote:
Have you ever studied a seed or even the human body?
Evolution explains them perfectly well. For example, evolution explains why the recurrent laryngeal nerve takes such a needlessly meandering route around the arch of the aorta even though it only has to go practically from the brain to the larynx. It would make no sense to be designed in such a way, but in fish this nerve actually does take a direct route, and through evolution as the heart descended the nerve was forced to elongate with it, being 'caught on the wrong side' and having no mechanism for getting around it.
ryanb31 wrote:
If there is no God, why do you obey any laws?
In your mind, god will reward you for obeying laws, so you do. That makes it a purely selfish reason.
ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you go to work? Why do you do anything? What's the point?
Do you only feel pleasure and pain with respect to your religion? Have you never done something just because you wanted to, rather than because you thought god might want you to do so?
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't see wind and I bet you believe in wind. Why? Because of the evidence that it exists. Because of the impact and effect it has on things.
You're right, I could hold a pinwheel outside on a windy day and it would certainly do something. What I couldn't do is hold a pinwheel inside where the air is completely still and say, "God, if you're real, make this pinwheel turn," and have it actually turn. That never happens, and has never happened, not once. I could ask him to make me rich, or make me poor, or make a coin land on heads 100 times in a r
I have given you an infinite amount of physical examples of proof that God exists; however, you deny them. There are also an infinite amount of spiritual proofs that God exists but spiritual things can only be understood by the spirit and you are unaware of how that works. It would be like trying to explain calculus to a 4 year old. Your arguments are always the same and always go in a circle. You have blind faith in science even when you know science is flawed. You miss out on so many learning opportunities because you are past feeling. You will only believe something as long as science tells you to. There are an infinite number of possibilities of why leaves move in the wind or why your hair moves in the wind. Based on your philosophy, if you can't see it is must not be there but yet you still believe in wind. You contradict yourself. Since your beliefs are not founded on any truth, they are full of holes and all you can do is go in circles trying to make any kind of sense. Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead simply because he claimed the Earth revolved around the Sun, not the other way. You are repeating history by believing you are so smart that you know all the answers. I feel for you. Once you get the basics down, maybe then we can actually get somewhere but I am done debating with a 4 year old how to do Calculus. Thank you, it's been fun.
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I have given you an infinite amount of physical examples of proof that God exists; however, you deny them. There are also an infinite amount of spiritual proofs that God exists but spiritual things can only be understood by the spirit and you are unaware of how that works. It would be like trying to explain calculus to a 4 year old. Your arguments are always the same and always go in a circle. You have blind faith in science even when you know science is flawed. You miss out on so many learning opportunities because you are past feeling. You will only believe something as long as science tells you to. There are an infinite number of possibilities of why leaves move in the wind or why your hair moves in the wind. Based on your philosophy, if you can't see it is must not be there but yet you still believe in wind. You contradict yourself. Since your beliefs are not founded on any truth, they are full of holes and all you can do is go in circles trying to make any kind of sense. Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead simply because he claimed the Earth revolved around the Sun, not the other way. You are repeating history by believing you are so smart that you know all the answers. I feel for you. Once you get the basics down, maybe then we can actually get somewhere but I am done debating with a 4 year old how to do Calculus. Thank you, it's been fun.
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I have given you an infinite amount of physical examples of proof that God exists; however, you deny them. There are also an infinite amount of spiritual proofs that God exists but spiritual things can only be understood by the spirit and you are unaware of how that works. It would be like trying to explain calculus to a 4 year old. Your arguments are always the same and always go in a circle. You have blind faith in science even when you know science is flawed. You miss out on so many learning opportunities because you are past feeling. You will only believe something as long as science tells you to. There are an infinite number of possibilities of why leaves move in the wind or why your hair moves in the wind. Based on your philosophy, if you can't see it is must not be there but yet you still believe in wind. You contradict yourself. Since your beliefs are not founded on any truth, they are full of holes and all you can do is go in circles trying to make any kind of sense. Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead simply because he claimed the Earth revolved around the Sun, not the other way. You are repeating history by believing you are so smart that you know all the answers. I feel for you. Once you get the basics down, maybe then we can actually get somewhere but I am done debating with a 4 year old how to do Calculus. Thank you, it's been fun.
ryanb31 wrote:
I have given you an infinite amount of physical examples of proof that God exists; however, you deny them.
All you did was say that 'everything is proof'. I have yet to hear a good reason why this is so.
ryanb31 wrote:
There are also an infinite amount of spiritual proofs that God exists but spiritual things can only be understood by the spirit and you are unaware of how that works.
Oh wow, you actually managed to lower the standards even more.
ryanb31 wrote:
Your arguments are always the same and always go in a circle. You have blind faith in science even when you know science is flawed. You miss out on so many learning opportunities because you are past feeling. You will only believe something as long as science tells you to.
Science gives pretty much the exact criteria in which it is justifiable to believe something. If you stray into the supernatural as you have done, you can no longer justify anything, because it does not interact with reality in any determinable way (by definition).
ryanb31 wrote:
There are an infinite number of possibilities of why leaves move in the wind or why your hair moves in the wind.
Which is exactly why science exists! To try to figure out what it is that causes the movements through a systematic process of elimination.
ryanb31 wrote:
Based on your philosophy, if you can't see it is must not be there but yet you still believe in wind. You contradict yourself.
X| Did you even read what I wrote, or do you always argue by merely guessing your opponent's position?
ryanb31 wrote:
Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead simply because he claimed the Earth revolved around the Sun, not the other way.
What a incredibly moronic assertion. It was closed-minded religious fundamentalism such as you adopt that locked Galileo away. It was science, not religion, that reached the right answer, and that was by them actually looking up and opening their eyes. If you had your way you'd eliminate all scientific discoveries, ban research and do wh
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You've just shown that you fundamentally misunderstand science. .. or you're an excellent troll, in that case, job well done.
harold aptroot wrote:
.. or you're an excellent troll, in that case, job well done.
You know, that hadn't occurred to me, but you could be right. Am I another victim of Poe's law? I really, really hope so... :sigh:
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ryanb31 wrote:
I just think it is interesting how you can look all around you and believe it all came from nothing.
Everything comes from something, right back to the beginning of the universe. As for what happened "before" the Big Bang, which caused everything after it, we simply don't know. It doesn't make sense to assign some sort of all-powerful creator to hide our ignorance.
ryanb31 wrote:
If there is no God, why do you obey any laws?
- Some, because of the so-called "Golden Rule"... Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I don't kill or steal because I wouldn't want others to do that to me. 2) For those I don't agree with, I consider it a necessary compromise. Civilized society requires a common set of laws, or else we'd have anarchy and chaos.
ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you go to work? Why do you do anything? What's the point?
See, that's the trouble with religious people... You need some cosmic reason to continue your life. The purpose of life is to live. That's it. There's no greater meaning except for the one you create for yourself. My purpose for living is to contribute to the betterment of the human race, any way I can. You need to find your own reason.
ryanb31 wrote:
You can't see wind and I bet you believe in wind. Why? Because of the evidence that it exists. Because of the impact and effect it has on things.
I can feel wind against my skin. I can see things blowing in the wind. I can perform an experiment to measure the acceleration and force due to wind. I can use some colored gas to see the wind's movements. It's quite easy to verify that it's there.
ryanb31 wrote:
I'll bet you have never seen an electron but I am sure you believe in them.
I don't have to believe in them. I can perform any number of scientific experiments to prove that they exist.
ryanb31 wrote:
If you look, you can see evidence of God everywhere, including in the mirror. Whether you like it or not, you are proof that God exists. Instead of denying it and pretend it is not there, you ought to try embracing tha
Ian Shlasko wrote:
ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you go to work? Why do you do anything? What's the point?
See, that's the trouble with religious people... You need some cosmic reason to continue your life. The purpose of life is to live. That's it. There's no greater meaning except for the one you create for yourself. My purpose for living is to contribute to the betterment of the human race, any way I can. You need to find your own reason.
I can't agree more. I think religon is like the military for some (but different). Some have trouble with life because there is so much chaos. They are lost in it all. They either need structure or purpose to get them out of bed. I need my tummy to growel and the sun to shine in my window. I am up. Then my child says I want to go outside. I now have a purpose to go outside. I notice the lawn is long. I now have a purpose to mow the lawn. I notice the fridge is somewhat low on supplies. I now have a purpose to go to the grocer. Ohhh Tummy cramp. Shoudn't have at such a large breakfast. I now have a purpose to leave my thoughts of religon in the can ;P (Ok that was crude but whatever...)
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Reality proves you exist, and nothing more. "I think, therefore I am." I can not prove you exist. Truth be spoken even if you are in front of me and I touch you it still can not be proven. I have dreamt of beings and touched them, yet they exist not. Stating they exist to me because I thought of them is like saying Unicorns are real. To say God exists because one exists is nothing more than circular logic. Religous founders were qutie inteligent and rational. They knew what they conceived and what they conceived was a means to control the masses.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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I have given you an infinite amount of physical examples of proof that God exists; however, you deny them. There are also an infinite amount of spiritual proofs that God exists but spiritual things can only be understood by the spirit and you are unaware of how that works. It would be like trying to explain calculus to a 4 year old. Your arguments are always the same and always go in a circle. You have blind faith in science even when you know science is flawed. You miss out on so many learning opportunities because you are past feeling. You will only believe something as long as science tells you to. There are an infinite number of possibilities of why leaves move in the wind or why your hair moves in the wind. Based on your philosophy, if you can't see it is must not be there but yet you still believe in wind. You contradict yourself. Since your beliefs are not founded on any truth, they are full of holes and all you can do is go in circles trying to make any kind of sense. Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead simply because he claimed the Earth revolved around the Sun, not the other way. You are repeating history by believing you are so smart that you know all the answers. I feel for you. Once you get the basics down, maybe then we can actually get somewhere but I am done debating with a 4 year old how to do Calculus. Thank you, it's been fun.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth - John 3:8 How true - at the time of St. John. Nowadays, from whence it will come and whither it will go are predictable to a remarkable degree. And air is visible, just in areas of the electromagnetic spectrum not detected by the eye. So you can watch the wind tousling locks or stripping trees bare, via sensors. (Just like Night Vision Sights, and Full Body Scanners.) Which is why I don't 'believe' in the wind, it is provable.
ryanb31 wrote:
Had you lived in the days of Galileo you would have been one of those scientists who wanted him dead
Off the top of my head, I cannot recollect any 'scientists' who wanted Galileo dead. Basically, he could not prove his theory without recourse to the new-fangled telescope, through which they would not look. (Unscientific? Possibly, but understandable, glass distorts and introduces false images. Might not the phases of Venus be due to poor grinding?) Even the Church merely wished him to recant. Not because of heliocentrism per se, merely because they wished to 'manage' the release of such knowledge. Sure, they were prepared to torture him, but everyone recants under torture.
Be dogmatic, not thoughtful. It's easier, and you get bumper stickers.- Anon.