Heaven, Hell, and the multiverse
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brianwelsch wrote: Any chance this is the real story? Well it's certainly as believable as the rest...
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Imagine when the devil comes to make a play for earth, God brings in the help of the Kings of the other universes to earth to help make a stand for Heaven. There's a crazy battle on earth, with fire balls from the sky and much blood spilt in the ocean.... Just seems more exciting picturing it this way. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Imagine when the devil comes to make a play for earth, God brings in the help of the Kings of the other universes to earth to help make a stand for Heaven. There's a crazy battle on earth, with fire balls from the sky and much blood spilt in the ocean.... Just seems more exciting picturing it this way. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Unfortunately, I won't be able to reason about my Faith, because, by definition, it's Faith and not Logic. I can't make any demonstration, or argue anything, I just believe. That's also why I can't contest your vision, it may be better than mine :) brianwelsch wrote: stay tuned..... Hope so! :-D
I don't feel it anymore I don't see, anymore I don't hear, anymore I don't speak anymore, I don't feel
Fair enough. :) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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KaЯl wrote: Hope so! Unless I am grossly mistaken I took "stay tuned..." to mean he'd let you know when he died... :~
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I was sort of TV/radio thing.... "We'll be back with the answer after these messages.." Stay tuned... :rolleyes: BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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KaЯl wrote: Hope so! Unless I am grossly mistaken I took "stay tuned..." to mean he'd let you know when he died... :~
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David Wulff wrote: Haven't they already done that with a video game? Damn!:( So much for working out an original idea. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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KaЯl wrote: If I believe in GOd, I don't believe in the Devil,except as a part of us, not as an entity. Would God then also be a part of us, and not an entity? Or maybe we are the devil, and are against God by nature. Sort of like kids are naturally rebelleous against their parents. Eventually, you make peace and carry on, but not always. Or maybe you mean, not a Christian-Judao God at all, but rather there is some All-being floating about, and His relation to us is not well known. KaЯl wrote: The answer perhaps after our death ? stay tuned..... BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
brianwelsch wrote: Or maybe we are the devil, and are against God by nature. Well Job portrays the devil as an object that walks arround the Earth finding ways to corrupt people. -Steven CP_ADDICT
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For whatever reason I was thinking about the universe and God. I was thinking that there are multiple universes. The one we live in, Heaven, Hell, and several others. Heaven is the original universe, and quite a nice place at that. God rules over it, and the other universes, with the one exeption being Hell. Each of the universes has a sort of Gateway back to Heaven, but not to the other universes. One nice day, when God was creating Hell, and deciding who should rule over it, Lucifer, a mere cherubum, got this notion that he should be the overlord. However, he was not high-ranking enough to warrant the position. So he revolted, and took it over anyway, much to God's dismay. There was a bit of a war over this, and in the end God decided to close the Gateway to Hell, so that the Devil could no longer come back. The problem with this was that Gateways could not be undone, but they could be "rerouted". So Our Universe was created, as a buffer between Heaven and Hell. Angels were sent here as well, to guard the Gateway between Heaven and Earth and the Gateway between Hell and Earth. So the Devil continuously tries to take over our universe so that he might eventually get back to Heaven, and rule the whole shebang. Any chance this is the real story? :~ BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
brianwelsch wrote: Any chance this is the real story? It has as much chance of being a real story as any other story that has no evidence for it existence. It's very much like most of the other myths and religious believes. Here is an alternative version that is just as possible: There are multiple universes. Each universe has someone who is in charge of it. Some of the creatures in charge of the universes are good and some of them are not very nice. The nice Lords of the universes are not bothering anyone and are busy running their "little" worlds. However, the evil Lords of the universes are not content, they are envious and power hungry. They have come up with weapons of mass destruction: envy, hate, anger and so on. The evil Lords are trying to use these weapons to enslave the creatures who live peacefully in the nice universes and make them surrender those universes to the evil Lords. The nice Lords are trying to come up with the ways to protect their investments by developing weapons to neutralize the evil weapons of mass destruction. Examples of neutralizing weapons are love, forgiveness, friendship. So basically, there are multiple wars going on between the Lords of the universes for possession of these universes. Universes keep switching hands. Most of the time Lords don't fight directly among themselves but use the creatures who live in their universes to fight for them. However, sometimes, when they get really desperate they enter in the direct fights throwing the lightings at each other and pulling each other's hair out. Sometimes, one of the Lords is killed in those fights. Of course, this would eventually lead to extinction of the Lord species, but this is not the case. One thing that I forgot to mention is that Lords can have children. Every once in a while, Lords select a virgin among the creatures who live in their universes. Lord of the universe impregnate her and virgin gives birth to an offspring of the Lord. Young Lords of universes grow up and become ether evil or nice and go on to create their own universe or to take over the universe of a neighbor. Sometimes mutant Lords are being born that are neither nice nor evil. Those usually don't survive for very long because when asked to take a stand they get all confused and begin to cry. Well, usually they just cry themselves to death. Sometimes they get mixed up in someone else's war and get killed by a stray lightening. In ether case, they just don't live long enough to even talk abo
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brianwelsch wrote: Any chance this is the real story? It has as much chance of being a real story as any other story that has no evidence for it existence. It's very much like most of the other myths and religious believes. Here is an alternative version that is just as possible: There are multiple universes. Each universe has someone who is in charge of it. Some of the creatures in charge of the universes are good and some of them are not very nice. The nice Lords of the universes are not bothering anyone and are busy running their "little" worlds. However, the evil Lords of the universes are not content, they are envious and power hungry. They have come up with weapons of mass destruction: envy, hate, anger and so on. The evil Lords are trying to use these weapons to enslave the creatures who live peacefully in the nice universes and make them surrender those universes to the evil Lords. The nice Lords are trying to come up with the ways to protect their investments by developing weapons to neutralize the evil weapons of mass destruction. Examples of neutralizing weapons are love, forgiveness, friendship. So basically, there are multiple wars going on between the Lords of the universes for possession of these universes. Universes keep switching hands. Most of the time Lords don't fight directly among themselves but use the creatures who live in their universes to fight for them. However, sometimes, when they get really desperate they enter in the direct fights throwing the lightings at each other and pulling each other's hair out. Sometimes, one of the Lords is killed in those fights. Of course, this would eventually lead to extinction of the Lord species, but this is not the case. One thing that I forgot to mention is that Lords can have children. Every once in a while, Lords select a virgin among the creatures who live in their universes. Lord of the universe impregnate her and virgin gives birth to an offspring of the Lord. Young Lords of universes grow up and become ether evil or nice and go on to create their own universe or to take over the universe of a neighbor. Sometimes mutant Lords are being born that are neither nice nor evil. Those usually don't survive for very long because when asked to take a stand they get all confused and begin to cry. Well, usually they just cry themselves to death. Sometimes they get mixed up in someone else's war and get killed by a stray lightening. In ether case, they just don't live long enough to even talk abo
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Well, usually they just cry themselves to death :laugh: Pansy Lords Konstantin Vasserman wrote: SupreLord species of the Lords have been spotted Like Professor X? BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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brianwelsch wrote: Or maybe we are the devil, and are against God by nature. Well Job portrays the devil as an object that walks arround the Earth finding ways to corrupt people. -Steven CP_ADDICT
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404Browser (Efficient, Fast, Secure Web Browser): 404Browser.comHe does? I guess I should read that sometime. I always thought he was an innocent fella whose faith God was testing. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Well, usually they just cry themselves to death :laugh: Pansy Lords Konstantin Vasserman wrote: SupreLord species of the Lords have been spotted Like Professor X? BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
brianwelsch wrote: Pansy Lords :) brianwelsch wrote: Like Professor X? I am sorry, I am not familiar with Professor X. Who is that?
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For whatever reason I was thinking about the universe and God. I was thinking that there are multiple universes. The one we live in, Heaven, Hell, and several others. Heaven is the original universe, and quite a nice place at that. God rules over it, and the other universes, with the one exeption being Hell. Each of the universes has a sort of Gateway back to Heaven, but not to the other universes. One nice day, when God was creating Hell, and deciding who should rule over it, Lucifer, a mere cherubum, got this notion that he should be the overlord. However, he was not high-ranking enough to warrant the position. So he revolted, and took it over anyway, much to God's dismay. There was a bit of a war over this, and in the end God decided to close the Gateway to Hell, so that the Devil could no longer come back. The problem with this was that Gateways could not be undone, but they could be "rerouted". So Our Universe was created, as a buffer between Heaven and Hell. Angels were sent here as well, to guard the Gateway between Heaven and Earth and the Gateway between Hell and Earth. So the Devil continuously tries to take over our universe so that he might eventually get back to Heaven, and rule the whole shebang. Any chance this is the real story? :~ BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
brianwelsch wrote: Any chance this is the real story? I'd say just as large as any other story.. :) -- Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face.
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brianwelsch wrote: Pansy Lords :) brianwelsch wrote: Like Professor X? I am sorry, I am not familiar with Professor X. Who is that?
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I am not familiar with Professor X There is a comic book called the X-Men from Marvel Comics. Its a group of mutant super heroes, and their leader is Professor X. There's a movie called 'X-Men', which actually has a sequel coming out 'X2'. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I am not familiar with Professor X There is a comic book called the X-Men from Marvel Comics. Its a group of mutant super heroes, and their leader is Professor X. There's a movie called 'X-Men', which actually has a sequel coming out 'X2'. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
brianwelsch wrote: There's a movie called 'X-Men' I've actually seen this movie... It's just shows you how much attention I pay to things like that... :-O
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He does? I guess I should read that sometime. I always thought he was an innocent fella whose faith God was testing. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
The book of Job is about a man of great status that has horrible things happen to him very quickly (equivilent to win crashing and format c: /y then install Linux on the top of that)... his faith was tested by his wife, friends, and he was misrible for a good amount of time.. which in the time he was misrible and depressed he was still faithful without denying God. As a result God punishes the friends (not much is said about the wife though who told him to curse God and die), and gives Job more kids/wifes/sheep/livestock as a result. -Steven CP Addict
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Why not? If I'm not mistaken there isn't much known about the period before our universe came to be. And I think angels and such existed before that, just as God must have. If you know where obvious flaws are, as they would be shown in the Old Testament, please point them out. Or do you just not believe there is any God at all? BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
First of all, I don't think this is how it was. Secondly, I was just joking, hence the smiley. Thirdly, yes, I am a Christian and believe in God, evil, Satan, etc. Now, God being God and all, I don't think the "Gateways" couldn't be rerouted by him. Secondly, the only time you see Satan being in Hell is in Revelation when John talks about him being cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. However, Satan is referred to as the Evil-one and the "god of this world." (Matt 13:19, 2 Cor 4:4) Satan is not a ruler of the Hell dimension. No one is in Hell right now. All the dead are in Hades aka Sheol. The Good in Paradise, the Wicked in Torment. Only when the Judgment comes will people including Satan be cast into the Lake of Fire which is Hell. Why do I need to point only to the Old Testament? Are you Jewish? Jason Gerard qeou kai kurios Iasou Cristou doulos
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First of all, I don't think this is how it was. Secondly, I was just joking, hence the smiley. Thirdly, yes, I am a Christian and believe in God, evil, Satan, etc. Now, God being God and all, I don't think the "Gateways" couldn't be rerouted by him. Secondly, the only time you see Satan being in Hell is in Revelation when John talks about him being cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. However, Satan is referred to as the Evil-one and the "god of this world." (Matt 13:19, 2 Cor 4:4) Satan is not a ruler of the Hell dimension. No one is in Hell right now. All the dead are in Hades aka Sheol. The Good in Paradise, the Wicked in Torment. Only when the Judgment comes will people including Satan be cast into the Lake of Fire which is Hell. Why do I need to point only to the Old Testament? Are you Jewish? Jason Gerard qeou kai kurios Iasou Cristou doulos
Jason Gerard wrote: I don't think the "Gateways" couldn't be rerouted by him I'm still working that out. Jason Gerard wrote: Secondly, the only time you see Satan being in Hell is in Revelation when John talks about him being cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. I really need to read that. :-O Jason Gerard wrote: Satan is referred to as the Evil-one and the "god of this world." I just read that last night, actually. I didn't know that he was seen as the "god of this world" before. Jason Gerard wrote: Satan is not a ruler of the Hell dimension. No one is in Hell right now. This confuses me a bit. Based on above, I assume that Satan is here on earth, then. Right? And that hell is an empty place. I actually also saw a sight where they referred to Hell and had (sheol) after it, as though they were the same. Are they in fact two different places then? I understood Sheol to be Hebrew for Hell. Jason Gerard wrote: Why do I need to point only to the Old Testament? Are you Jewish? I guess I don't need to limit that. I'm agnostic. My whole reason for posting is twofold. First, and this started me thinking more, is that I'm working on a story and wanted feedback from people more informed than myself. Secondly, I really want to know more about it. I hope my reasons for asking are not offensive, I'm not trying to be. If my writing a fictional story based on Biblical themes does offend, then I sincerely apologize. Thanks for input.:) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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The book of Job is about a man of great status that has horrible things happen to him very quickly (equivilent to win crashing and format c: /y then install Linux on the top of that)... his faith was tested by his wife, friends, and he was misrible for a good amount of time.. which in the time he was misrible and depressed he was still faithful without denying God. As a result God punishes the friends (not much is said about the wife though who told him to curse God and die), and gives Job more kids/wifes/sheep/livestock as a result. -Steven CP Addict
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404Browser (Efficient, Fast, Secure Web Browser): 404Browser.comI misread your earlier post. :-O For some reason I read "Job is portrayed as the Devil", and not "Job portrays the devil". Thus the confusion. Oops. I need to read it anyway though. :) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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I misread your earlier post. :-O For some reason I read "Job is portrayed as the Devil", and not "Job portrays the devil". Thus the confusion. Oops. I need to read it anyway though. :) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
CP Book ClubJob as in the chapter not the person.. thats probly what caused the confusion. -Steven CP Addict
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Jason Gerard wrote: I don't think the "Gateways" couldn't be rerouted by him I'm still working that out. Jason Gerard wrote: Secondly, the only time you see Satan being in Hell is in Revelation when John talks about him being cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. I really need to read that. :-O Jason Gerard wrote: Satan is referred to as the Evil-one and the "god of this world." I just read that last night, actually. I didn't know that he was seen as the "god of this world" before. Jason Gerard wrote: Satan is not a ruler of the Hell dimension. No one is in Hell right now. This confuses me a bit. Based on above, I assume that Satan is here on earth, then. Right? And that hell is an empty place. I actually also saw a sight where they referred to Hell and had (sheol) after it, as though they were the same. Are they in fact two different places then? I understood Sheol to be Hebrew for Hell. Jason Gerard wrote: Why do I need to point only to the Old Testament? Are you Jewish? I guess I don't need to limit that. I'm agnostic. My whole reason for posting is twofold. First, and this started me thinking more, is that I'm working on a story and wanted feedback from people more informed than myself. Secondly, I really want to know more about it. I hope my reasons for asking are not offensive, I'm not trying to be. If my writing a fictional story based on Biblical themes does offend, then I sincerely apologize. Thanks for input.:) BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
CP Book Clubbrianwelsch wrote: This confuses me a bit. Based on above, I assume that Satan is here on earth, then. Right? And that hell is an empty place. I actually also saw a sight where they referred to Hell and had (sheol) after it, as though they were the same. Are they in fact two different places then? I understood Sheol to be Hebrew for Hell. Yes, Hell is an empty place until the Judgement. Sheol means "the unseen world." It is the place of spirits of dead people. The wicked in torment, the righteous in Paradise. When the Judgement comes, all those in torment will be cast into Hell, all those in paradise will enter Heaven. Hades is the Greek word for the same thing. Sheol and Hades are incorrectly translated as "Hell" in the King James and New International versions of the bible, and possibly others as well. For an example of Hades (Sheol), see Luke 16:19-31[^] Jason Gerard qeou kai kurios Iasou Cristou doulos