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  • J john5632

    I know I can not construct data from CRC, my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

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    David Crow
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    john5632 wrote:

    ...my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

    So are you wanting help with permutations or creating a CRC? Those are two unrelated tasks.

    "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

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      john5632 wrote:

      ...my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

      So are you wanting help with permutations or creating a CRC? Those are two unrelated tasks.

      "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

      "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

      "Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous

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      john5632
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      yes

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      • J john5632

        yes

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        David Crow
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        So then why not focus on a much smaller problem? Trying to build the space shuttle in one setting will never work. You need to build it in pieces. When each of those smaller pieces are working, your overall problem will be solved.

        "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

        "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

        "Show me a community that obeys the Ten Commandments and I'll show you a less crowded prison system." - Anonymous

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        • J john5632

          I have a CRC code for particuler string. I need to get the string corssspoding to CRC. My mean to say I need to generate all possible combination of string from lenght 1 to n untill I get the desired CRC value. I know, string may be different from original one. How can I acoomplish this in a fast way?

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          Chuck OToole
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          I have read through this chain (I was going to say 'string' but that would only confuse the issue) You have to understand folks here, many are just as curious about the 'why' as about the 'how'. You haven't answered 'why are you doing this?' To many, myself included, you have embarked on a totally useless exercise. Why in the world would you want a random string of characters that happens to generate the same CRC32 that you already have in your hand? You cannot possible reconstruct the original string so of what interest is a random string with the same CRC32. Unless you are trying to fool some other program who knows the CRC32 of the data it wants and you are trying to pump some junk at it for some amusing or nefarious reason. So, tell us 'why' you need such a string, you may find some folks who find the problem more interesting than it seems so far.

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            I have read through this chain (I was going to say 'string' but that would only confuse the issue) You have to understand folks here, many are just as curious about the 'why' as about the 'how'. You haven't answered 'why are you doing this?' To many, myself included, you have embarked on a totally useless exercise. Why in the world would you want a random string of characters that happens to generate the same CRC32 that you already have in your hand? You cannot possible reconstruct the original string so of what interest is a random string with the same CRC32. Unless you are trying to fool some other program who knows the CRC32 of the data it wants and you are trying to pump some junk at it for some amusing or nefarious reason. So, tell us 'why' you need such a string, you may find some folks who find the problem more interesting than it seems so far.

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            Chris Losinger
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            Chuck O'Toole wrote:

            Unless you are trying to fool some other program who knows the CRC32 of the data it wants and you are trying to pump some junk at it for some amusing or nefarious reason.

            seems likely, to me.

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            • J john5632

              how table will be fast?

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              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookup_table says: A Lookup table is a data structure, usually an array or associative array, often used to replace a runtime computation with a simpler array indexing operation. The savings in terms of processing time can be significant, since retrieving a value from memory is often faster than undergoing an 'expensive' computation or calculation operation. For example this is regularly done as part of CRC calculations.

              #include <iostream.h>

              // The CRC lookup table size is 8x32=256
              const static unsigned int table[] =
              {
              0x000000000, 0x077073096, 0x0EE0E612C, 0x0990951BA, 0x0076DC419, 0x0706AF48F, 0x0E963A535, 0x09E6495A3,
              0x00EDB8832, 0x079DCB8A4, 0x0E0D5E91E, 0x097D2D988, 0x009B64C2B, 0x07EB17CBD, 0x0E7B82D07, 0x090BF1D91,
              0x01DB71064, 0x06AB020F2, 0x0F3B97148, 0x084BE41DE, 0x01ADAD47D, 0x06DDDE4EB, 0x0F4D4B551, 0x083D385C7,
              0x0136C9856, 0x0646BA8C0, 0x0FD62F97A, 0x08A65C9EC, 0x014015C4F, 0x063066CD9, 0x0FA0F3D63, 0x08D080DF5,
              0x03B6E20C8, 0x04C69105E, 0x0D56041E4, 0x0A2677172, 0x03C03E4D1, 0x04B04D447, 0x0D20D85FD, 0x0A50AB56B,
              0x035B5A8FA, 0x042B2986C, 0x0DBBBC9D6, 0x0ACBCF940, 0x032D86CE3, 0x045DF5C75, 0x0DCD60DCF, 0x0ABD13D59,
              0x026D930AC, 0x051DE003A, 0x0C8D75180, 0x0BFD06116, 0x021B4F4B5, 0x056B3C423, 0x0CFBA9599, 0x0B8BDA50F,
              0x02802B89E, 0x05F058808, 0x0C60CD9B2, 0x0B10BE924, 0x02F6F7C87, 0x058684C11, 0x0C1611DAB, 0x0B6662D3D,
              0x076DC4190, 0x001DB7106, 0x098D220BC, 0x0EFD5102A, 0x071B18589, 0x006B6B51F, 0x09FBFE4A5, 0x0E8B8D433,
              0x07807C9A2, 0x00F00F934, 0x09609A88E, 0x0E10E9818, 0x07F6A0DBB, 0x0086D3D2D, 0x091646C97, 0x0E6635C01,
              0x06B6B51F4, 0x01C6C6162, 0x0856530D8, 0x0F262004E, 0x06C0695ED, 0x01B01A57B, 0x08208F4C1, 0x0F50FC457,
              0x065B0D9C6, 0x012B7E950, 0x08BBEB8EA, 0x0FCB9887C, 0x062DD1DDF, 0x015DA2D49, 0x08CD37CF3, 0x0FBD44C65,
              0x04DB26158, 0x03AB551CE, 0x0A3BC0074, 0x0D4BB30E2, 0x04ADFA541, 0x03DD895D7, 0x0A4D1C46D, 0x0D3D6F4FB,
              0x04369E96A, 0x0346ED9FC, 0x0AD678846, 0x0DA60B8D0, 0x044042D73, 0x033031DE5, 0x0AA0A4C5F, 0x0DD0D7CC9,
              0x05005713C, 0x0270241AA, 0x0BE0B1010, 0x0C90C2086, 0x05768B525, 0x0206F85B3, 0x0B966D409, 0x0CE61E49F,
              0x05EDEF90E, 0x029D9C998, 0x0B0D09822, 0x0C7D7A8B4, 0x059B33D17, 0x02EB40D81, 0x0B7BD5C3B, 0x0C0BA6CAD,
              0x0EDB88320, 0x09ABFB3B6, 0x003B6E20C, 0x074B1D29A, 0x0EAD54739, 0x09DD277AF, 0x004DB2615, 0x073DC1683,
              0x0E3630B12, 0x094643B84, 0x00D6D6A3E, 0x07A

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              • J john5632

                But I read somwhat like this somewhere that do some opeartion with calculated CRC untill we get zero? Is there something like this?

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                It sounds the same to me the same as trying to take a 128 bit md5 hash and regenerate the data that this hash corresponds to. You quite simply cannot do it accurately. a md5 may be used to hash anything from a 5 character password to a 700MB iso file - yet in both instances the hash will still be 128 bits long. While you can generate sequences of characters that will produce the same result when hashed/CRCed, there's no relaiable way without context of choosing the original string.

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                • J john5632

                  I know I can not construct data from CRC, my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

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                  john5632 wrote:

                  my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

                  Hi John, You wouldn't happen to be experimenting with MS10-092[^] would you? :-\ Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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                  • J john5632

                    I have a CRC code for particuler string. I need to get the string corssspoding to CRC. My mean to say I need to generate all possible combination of string from lenght 1 to n untill I get the desired CRC value. I know, string may be different from original one. How can I acoomplish this in a fast way?

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                    My Aim is to generate a string from know CRC32 value in fastest way.

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                    • J john5632

                      I know I can not construct data from CRC, my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

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                      john5632 wrote:

                      I know I can not construct data from CRC, my aim is to get the string which generate the same CRC value

                      You have just answered your own quesation them; trial and error is the only way to acchieve what you want, which is going to be very time consuming.

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                      • J john5632

                        My Aim is to generate a string from know CRC32 value in fastest way.

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                        Having read all the above answers why do you persist in believing this is possible?

                        Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff

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                          Having read all the above answers why do you persist in believing this is possible?

                          Unrequited desire is character building. OriginalGriff

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                          Richard MacCutchan wrote:

                          Having read all the above answers why do you persist in believing this is possible?

                          Head, meet brick wall. He just doesnt get it. :)

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                            Richard MacCutchan wrote:

                            Having read all the above answers why do you persist in believing this is possible?

                            Head, meet brick wall. He just doesnt get it. :)

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                            I got it :). And everything is possible which can be thought...got it...:)

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                              Richard MacCutchan wrote:

                              Having read all the above answers why do you persist in believing this is possible?

                              Head, meet brick wall. He just doesnt get it. :)

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                              :thumbsup: Thanks, I was a bit worried it was me!

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                              • J john5632

                                I got it :). And everything is possible which can be thought...got it...:)

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                                john5632 wrote:

                                And everything is possible which can be thought

                                Good luck with the impossible. :)

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