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I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Andy, everyone at your job knows you as a guy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the fuck!?". Make no mistake abut it, this WILL affect your ability to do your job, and it will affect your co-workers' ability as well. Everybody's been great? Does "being great" mean they're simply not openly disgusted with the idea, or that they honestly think you're doing the right thing? You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... And I thought this was the least harsh comment you have made on this subject, you must be softening John. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: several of your co-workers are saying "What the f***!?". No shit and I think Anna knows this. I cannot imagine a person who knows or works with Anna being "totally OK with it." It is a huge change, of course there are WTF thoughts, hell, Anna must have thought it many times herself. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Plenty of "real" women who look quite manly and plenty of "real" guys who are very effeminate.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: "The Labia [cinema]... ...was opened by Princess Labia in May 1949..." Christian Graus wrote: See, I told you it was a nice name for a girl...
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I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Andy, everyone at your job knows you as a guy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the fuck!?". Make no mistake abut it, this WILL affect your ability to do your job, and it will affect your co-workers' ability as well. Everybody's been great? Does "being great" mean they're simply not openly disgusted with the idea, or that they honestly think you're doing the right thing? You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. How about you post a picture of yourself then John? - then we can decide if you look like a man or not... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
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Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. How about you post a picture of yourself then John? - then we can decide if you look like a man or not... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
See the website link in his profile (he looks less scary than his profile pic, anyway) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. How about you post a picture of yourself then John? - then we can decide if you look like a man or not... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
There's plenty of picture sof me on my website: http://www.paddedwall/john ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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See the website link in his profile (he looks less scary than his profile pic, anyway) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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There's plenty of picture sof me on my website: http://www.paddedwall/john ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Andy, everyone at your job knows you as a guy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the fuck!?". Make no mistake abut it, this WILL affect your ability to do your job, and it will affect your co-workers' ability as well. Everybody's been great? Does "being great" mean they're simply not openly disgusted with the idea, or that they honestly think you're doing the right thing? You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Well, at least there's that. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the f***!?". The opinions of those several are unimportant. At least they've got their copies of "Loaded" to look forward to at lunchtime. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. You are not the only one and I will now tell you what I think. Even if I did not agree with what Anna has done, I wouldn't be so crass as to proclaim my unwanted opinon on a public messageboard unless she asked for it. If you don't want to offer your congratulations then don't but I believe, it is better to err on the side of caution and not post a negative comment unless you think there is adequate justification. If for example, I post a message saying how much I like cats, I expect to hear from people who also like cats. I guess someone like you (assuming for a sec. that you don't like cats) would feel quite OK about posting a message saying how you hate the mangy things and how you'd shoot them if you could. You'd then proclaim that it is your freedom of speech etc. which means that you should be allowed to say what you like with the defence that "you are only being honest", as if that is some God-given talent. Well, it isn't, and while in most cases I appreciate your input to these forums, your casual condemnation of someone's personal choice just seems deliberately spiteful. I wonder why you feel the need to do this? Incidentally, the reason I replied to you isn't because I believe you personally should be accepting or tolerant, I just believe you should observe a certain etiquette - and that is, to only give a valid opinion if it's asked for, required or constructive. the sad thing is that I actually enjoy reading most of your posts as you do seem reasonably intelligent and informed and best of all, you really do say what you think, but I just don't see the need for humourless spite which is what you always reserve for Anna for some reason... "
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Today is my first day back at work as me. Everybody's been great and I feel totally at ease (though I was pretty nervous when I arrived!). "Andy" is well and truly gone now. :) As you can imagine, Christmas was pretty strange this year (I transitioned on Christmas Day) and being offline with no phone or internet connection I had to be rather creative to keep myself busy. After getting bored earlier this week I managed to put my coding head on for a while, as a result of which I've got a new version of ResOrg[^] in the pipeline, with support for (at last!) multi-file conflict analysis. :cool: There's still a lot to do before I dare let it out the door, but so far it looks like a very useful update on the last version (1.4.2). Watch this space... Anna :rose: My cable modem and phone are being installed on Wednesday, so here's to broadband! :beer: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Good luck for 2003 Anna! :cool: May it be filled with happiness and mocha fraps ;P :-D Although I am still in SA right now, my first day back at work will be this Friday - I guess I can tell that I like this job by the fact that I'm not dreading it, but I am not looking forward to leaving here! Nice to feel sad to leave, but know that I will still be happy to land :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Well, at least there's that. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the f***!?". The opinions of those several are unimportant. At least they've got their copies of "Loaded" to look forward to at lunchtime. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. You are not the only one and I will now tell you what I think. Even if I did not agree with what Anna has done, I wouldn't be so crass as to proclaim my unwanted opinon on a public messageboard unless she asked for it. If you don't want to offer your congratulations then don't but I believe, it is better to err on the side of caution and not post a negative comment unless you think there is adequate justification. If for example, I post a message saying how much I like cats, I expect to hear from people who also like cats. I guess someone like you (assuming for a sec. that you don't like cats) would feel quite OK about posting a message saying how you hate the mangy things and how you'd shoot them if you could. You'd then proclaim that it is your freedom of speech etc. which means that you should be allowed to say what you like with the defence that "you are only being honest", as if that is some God-given talent. Well, it isn't, and while in most cases I appreciate your input to these forums, your casual condemnation of someone's personal choice just seems deliberately spiteful. I wonder why you feel the need to do this? Incidentally, the reason I replied to you isn't because I believe you personally should be accepting or tolerant, I just believe you should observe a certain etiquette - and that is, to only give a valid opinion if it's asked for, required or constructive. the sad thing is that I actually enjoy reading most of your posts as you do seem reasonably intelligent and informed and best of all, you really do say what you think, but I just don't see the need for humourless spite which is what you always reserve for Anna for some reason... "
phykell wrote: but I just don't see the need for humourless spite This isn't about Anna, but I am curious. Is being spiteful acceptable if it is delivered with humor? The only reason I ask is that my wife has a liberal friend who is a self proclaimed "Tolerant person". This woman has been know to say all types of cruel and intolerant things to myself and others and then say, "Only joking" when someone takes offense. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
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I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Andy - dude - you don't even *look* like a girl. Andy, everyone at your job knows you as a guy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the fuck!?". Make no mistake abut it, this WILL affect your ability to do your job, and it will affect your co-workers' ability as well. Everybody's been great? Does "being great" mean they're simply not openly disgusted with the idea, or that they honestly think you're doing the right thing? You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John, Guess what? I don't care what you think. You're bigotry is your problem, not mine. You leave me to live my life and I'll leave you to live yours, OK? I may have been born looking like a guy, but that doesn't mean I have to spend the rest of my life pretending to be one. One more thing. As far as how I look is concerned, I'm quite happy with my appearance and figure, and so it seems are most others...I've been receiving emails at work today congratulating me on how good I look, and I don't get a second glance when I go out in public. Stay out of my life and I'll stay out of yours. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Good luck for 2003 Anna! :cool: May it be filled with happiness and mocha fraps ;P :-D Although I am still in SA right now, my first day back at work will be this Friday - I guess I can tell that I like this job by the fact that I'm not dreading it, but I am not looking forward to leaving here! Nice to feel sad to leave, but know that I will still be happy to land :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Thanks Megan! You really don't want to come back here right now...it's just a little cold (when I left town on Saturday to travel into London it was snowing!) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I felt it only fair to warn everyone, so on with the show... Well, at least there's that. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that under their insulation of forced acceptance, several of your co-workers are saying "What the f***!?". The opinions of those several are unimportant. At least they've got their copies of "Loaded" to look forward to at lunchtime. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You don't need to respond, and nobody else does either, because I'm probably one of the few people here (if not the ONLY person) that would actually say what he thinks about this topic, and I'm honestly not interested in hearing from people that I have to be accepting or tolerant. You are not the only one and I will now tell you what I think. Even if I did not agree with what Anna has done, I wouldn't be so crass as to proclaim my unwanted opinon on a public messageboard unless she asked for it. If you don't want to offer your congratulations then don't but I believe, it is better to err on the side of caution and not post a negative comment unless you think there is adequate justification. If for example, I post a message saying how much I like cats, I expect to hear from people who also like cats. I guess someone like you (assuming for a sec. that you don't like cats) would feel quite OK about posting a message saying how you hate the mangy things and how you'd shoot them if you could. You'd then proclaim that it is your freedom of speech etc. which means that you should be allowed to say what you like with the defence that "you are only being honest", as if that is some God-given talent. Well, it isn't, and while in most cases I appreciate your input to these forums, your casual condemnation of someone's personal choice just seems deliberately spiteful. I wonder why you feel the need to do this? Incidentally, the reason I replied to you isn't because I believe you personally should be accepting or tolerant, I just believe you should observe a certain etiquette - and that is, to only give a valid opinion if it's asked for, required or constructive. the sad thing is that I actually enjoy reading most of your posts as you do seem reasonably intelligent and informed and best of all, you really do say what you think, but I just don't see the need for humourless spite which is what you always reserve for Anna for some reason... "
I don't agree with what Anna has done with his life, but its his life. I'd rather not hear about it like John, but I think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. John does say what he feels, but that can get you into trouble. Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be [EDIT]vocal[/EDIT] about your feelings.
Jason Henderson
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Today is my first day back at work as me. Everybody's been great and I feel totally at ease (though I was pretty nervous when I arrived!). "Andy" is well and truly gone now. :) As you can imagine, Christmas was pretty strange this year (I transitioned on Christmas Day) and being offline with no phone or internet connection I had to be rather creative to keep myself busy. After getting bored earlier this week I managed to put my coding head on for a while, as a result of which I've got a new version of ResOrg[^] in the pipeline, with support for (at last!) multi-file conflict analysis. :cool: There's still a lot to do before I dare let it out the door, but so far it looks like a very useful update on the last version (1.4.2). Watch this space... Anna :rose: My cable modem and phone are being installed on Wednesday, so here's to broadband! :beer: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Bah, ignore John, he just doesn't seem able to grasp the concept that someone can be so different to the norm and just how important it is not to suppress who you are (I am all too familiar with the emotional problems and shame that breeds). John, if you do read this, it takes more guts to admit something like this to yourself that I think you've ever had in you, let alone take the extraordinarily hard step to approach those you love and care about with it. If you think you've experienced insecurities, unadulterated fear and a kind of melancholy hopelessness that even Wordsworth couldn't put onto paper, then trust me mate – you haven't even sighted the iceberg, let alone scraped it. And those people who don't care about Anna don't matter – life doesn't work like that; never has and never will do. In your own choice phrases: I doubt Anna could give a shit what you think of her. Now that's over with, welcome back Anna! I hope this year will be a good one - well done! :rose: I'm looking forward to that new version of ResOrg – it's one of the few adding for VS that I actually use. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Today is my first day back at work as me. Everybody's been great and I feel totally at ease (though I was pretty nervous when I arrived!). "Andy" is well and truly gone now. :) As you can imagine, Christmas was pretty strange this year (I transitioned on Christmas Day) and being offline with no phone or internet connection I had to be rather creative to keep myself busy. After getting bored earlier this week I managed to put my coding head on for a while, as a result of which I've got a new version of ResOrg[^] in the pipeline, with support for (at last!) multi-file conflict analysis. :cool: There's still a lot to do before I dare let it out the door, but so far it looks like a very useful update on the last version (1.4.2). Watch this space... Anna :rose: My cable modem and phone are being installed on Wednesday, so here's to broadband! :beer: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
Well, dammit! Someone has to say it: That really took balls! :omg: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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phykell wrote: but I just don't see the need for humourless spite This isn't about Anna, but I am curious. Is being spiteful acceptable if it is delivered with humor? The only reason I ask is that my wife has a liberal friend who is a self proclaimed "Tolerant person". This woman has been know to say all types of cruel and intolerant things to myself and others and then say, "Only joking" when someone takes offense. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks
Gary Kirkham wrote: This isn't about Anna, but I am curious. Is being spiteful acceptable if it is delivered with humor? The only reason I ask is that my wife has a liberal friend who is a self proclaimed "Tolerant person". This woman has been know to say all types of cruel and intolerant things to myself and others and then say, "Only joking" when someone takes offense. I reckon it's probably all about intention. If the woman you mention, honestly means it when she says "only joking" then I guess that's OK, though hopefully, she would then modify her behaviour. If she's not sincere, then in my opinion, it's unacceptable. I just have no time for spiteful people and I really don't understand why they have to be that way. I'm also at a loss why people argue like they do. If you enter an argument, you should be aware of what it is you're trying to achieve. For example, in an argument with my wife, I could know I was in the right and argue forever until she gives in but if I know she will be humiliated if I prove her wrong, then there's no justification. Arguments with family members are the same - you can argue your point until you're blue in the face if you know you're right, but what will the result be? Will you end up not talking to that family member? Will there always be a rift between you as a result? This is my argument against people who say what the hell they want with the excuse that they are entitled to their opinion and anyone who suffers as a consequence deserves to. The World would be a better (and just nicer) place if it wasn't for people like this. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Bah, ignore John, he just doesn't seem able to grasp the concept that someone can be so different to the norm and just how important it is not to suppress who you are (I am all too familiar with the emotional problems and shame that breeds). John, if you do read this, it takes more guts to admit something like this to yourself that I think you've ever had in you, let alone take the extraordinarily hard step to approach those you love and care about with it. If you think you've experienced insecurities, unadulterated fear and a kind of melancholy hopelessness that even Wordsworth couldn't put onto paper, then trust me mate – you haven't even sighted the iceberg, let alone scraped it. And those people who don't care about Anna don't matter – life doesn't work like that; never has and never will do. In your own choice phrases: I doubt Anna could give a shit what you think of her. Now that's over with, welcome back Anna! I hope this year will be a good one - well done! :rose: I'm looking forward to that new version of ResOrg – it's one of the few adding for VS that I actually use. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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I don't agree with what Anna has done with his life, but its his life. I'd rather not hear about it like John, but I think he has just as much of a right to post (in the soapbox) as anyone else. John does say what he feels, but that can get you into trouble. Sometimes its better to be quiet than to be [EDIT]vocal[/EDIT] about your feelings.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason, I know we disagree on this subject, but I'd appreciate it if you don't refer me as "he" or "his". Please? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Well, dammit! Someone has to say it: That really took balls! :omg: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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John, Guess what? I don't care what you think. You're bigotry is your problem, not mine. You leave me to live my life and I'll leave you to live yours, OK? I may have been born looking like a guy, but that doesn't mean I have to spend the rest of my life pretending to be one. One more thing. As far as how I look is concerned, I'm quite happy with my appearance and figure, and so it seems are most others...I've been receiving emails at work today congratulating me on how good I look, and I don't get a second glance when I go out in public. Stay out of my life and I'll stay out of yours. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
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Jason, I know we disagree on this subject, but I'd appreciate it if you don't refer me as "he" or "his". Please? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschTrouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++
It will be difficult, because I think of you as still being male but hiding it. I would be lying and I really can't do that. I will do my best to avoid the situation. I hope you can understand.
Jason Henderson
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