Zwarte Piet is racism.
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A white man makes his face black and gives out candy, and that's racism now? No. Piss off. "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination." (wikipedia, therefore true). Zwarte Piet is not discriminated against. Therefore not racism. Go whinge about real racism, whingers. itt: everyone disagrees
I think the definition of racism is more along the lines of: "Racism is the belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another." Whether it justifies discrimination is somewhat of an extrapolation that shouldn't be part of the definition.
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I think the definition of racism is more along the lines of: "Racism is the belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another." Whether it justifies discrimination is somewhat of an extrapolation that shouldn't be part of the definition.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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A white man makes his face black and gives out candy, and that's racism now? No. Piss off. "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination." (wikipedia, therefore true). Zwarte Piet is not discriminated against. Therefore not racism. Go whinge about real racism, whingers. itt: everyone disagrees
Wikipedia also nails one of the 'issues' with it.
Foreign tourists, particularly Americans, often experience culture shock upon encountering the character (to dress in blackface is a gross taboo in America).
As blackface's use has largely been racist as all hell in the US, can't speak for the rest of the world but I doubt it was much better. But hey, freak out some American tourists, not really going to hurt anything. Just some tourist minister or such wigging out over something other countries honestly won't understand. That said, I'd be real interested in knowing exactly what the difference between this and typical blackface is, other than it being tradition and all.
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Wikipedia also nails one of the 'issues' with it.
Foreign tourists, particularly Americans, often experience culture shock upon encountering the character (to dress in blackface is a gross taboo in America).
As blackface's use has largely been racist as all hell in the US, can't speak for the rest of the world but I doubt it was much better. But hey, freak out some American tourists, not really going to hurt anything. Just some tourist minister or such wigging out over something other countries honestly won't understand. That said, I'd be real interested in knowing exactly what the difference between this and typical blackface is, other than it being tradition and all.
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A white man makes his face black and gives out candy, and that's racism now? No. Piss off. "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination." (wikipedia, therefore true). Zwarte Piet is not discriminated against. Therefore not racism. Go whinge about real racism, whingers. itt: everyone disagrees
Wait until christmas, then they will probably also have a problem with one of the three kings being depicted as an African.
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Wikipedia also nails one of the 'issues' with it.
Foreign tourists, particularly Americans, often experience culture shock upon encountering the character (to dress in blackface is a gross taboo in America).
As blackface's use has largely been racist as all hell in the US, can't speak for the rest of the world but I doubt it was much better. But hey, freak out some American tourists, not really going to hurt anything. Just some tourist minister or such wigging out over something other countries honestly won't understand. That said, I'd be real interested in knowing exactly what the difference between this and typical blackface is, other than it being tradition and all.
Distind wrote:
blackface
That is such a fucking stupid term, do y'all call pensioners over their Bluehair?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Wait until christmas, then they will probably also have a problem with one of the three kings being depicted as an African.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.CDP1802 wrote:
Wait until christmas, then they will probably also have a problem with one of the three kings being depicted as an African.
An African American surely, possibly names Doowopshoowopdewop or some other random collection of letters.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Distind wrote:
blackface
That is such a fucking stupid term, do y'all call pensioners over their Bluehair?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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A white man makes his face black and gives out candy, and that's racism now? No. Piss off. "Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination." (wikipedia, therefore true). Zwarte Piet is not discriminated against. Therefore not racism. Go whinge about real racism, whingers. itt: everyone disagrees
I’ve always thought for the racism as a personal preferences went too far. Allowing your personal preferences to influence you judgment/decisions is a racism, just having personal preferences is not. A Political Correctness went too far is also a racism because it puts the focus firmly on the racial or other differences and rises issues where they don’t exists. For example banning Mark Twain from the schools. So calling some local custom/festival “racism” is racialist itself.
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I’ve always thought for the racism as a personal preferences went too far. Allowing your personal preferences to influence you judgment/decisions is a racism, just having personal preferences is not. A Political Correctness went too far is also a racism because it puts the focus firmly on the racial or other differences and rises issues where they don’t exists. For example banning Mark Twain from the schools. So calling some local custom/festival “racism” is racialist itself.
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