Fucking gypsies
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harold aptroot wrote:
The ones living in the Netherlands are now "Dutch". Meaning they have to pay taxes and go to school. The horror! They also don't get a "get out of jail free" card anymore.
And apparently that is racist. And disrespective of their "culture".
Somewhat like the mob complaining about the govt hindering them in their business.
So how about they f*** off? They're not even a race anyway, just a gang of unwashed traveling criminals who bawww about human rights whenever they're not treated like royalty.Just in case you try and delete the message you racist.
"You get that on the big jobs."
Oh really? Well here's the source ('Roma' angry at minister Leers of Immigration & Intergration)[^] Short translation: he wants to improve the integration of Roma (he's a PC guy ya know) by not having a different policy for Roma regarding eduction, healthcare, work and housing. Rather, they have to take their own responsibility, because they're no different from other Dutch citizens. Roma guy replies with: bull shit, we asking him to respect our culture and background, but we don't see that in his new policy. We fought hard for special treatment, but we're not getting it, so we're threatening to bawww to the european court for human rights. Leers replies with: well they don't write the law, we do, and they're not going to be any different from Dutch citizens. Honestly, how is the gypsy-position anything but completely unreasonable?
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Well I guess you'll never understand why some people hate Americans either. PS I'm not one of them
"You get that on the big jobs."
I really can't see where what he says can be construed that way and, yes, I do realise that some people hate Americans: they're usually the people that have a) never been to America and b) have never met an American. BTW: I was really curious so being a patronising twat is a bit uncalled for.
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No he is not a racist (at least on this subject). I understand your sentiments and they are normal for a decent guy from a country with a very little or none Gypsy population. I would react the same way if you didn’t know better. Nearly 90% of the street crimes on my country are committed from the 7% Gypsy population. Nobody can forced them to send their kids to School. There is some small part of them who are normal hard working people from a Gypsy origin, but at least in my country nobody call them Gypsy and they don’t consider themselves as such. They also tends to double their numbers every 20 or so years while living on welfare and stealing, which is scary. And don’t let me start with the smelly ghettos they create every ware, old people killed for their pensions etc. Just a resent case, from a few months ago. In order to clean one ghetto the government has given to the inhabitants an bright new 9 stories apartment building some years ago…for free! No rent, no payments nothing, they usually don’t pay their electricity, heating and water bills as well. After a few years of them being there the building is about to collapse. Horses in the apartments, all wooden parts of the building (beams, hardwood floors, ) burned in the stoves, fires on the floor, steel bindings stoled and sold etc. After the inspectors alarmed that it’s dangerous for people to live there the police is send to remove the inhabitance. They not only refuses but in a protest start to destroy the building concrete pillars with a sledgehammers…don’t taking under account that they are IN the building. The police finally stops them but not before a 7 yo girl is flattened under the concrete.
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It's not like any anglo-saxon has ever done anything like that. I here you but it's discrimination from the broader community that makes these people exist the way they do. They have been outcast by your tribalism. And I guess they are defeatist as well, like most of us. It takes a brave person to cross that boundary.
"You get that on the big jobs."
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I really can't see where what he says can be construed that way and, yes, I do realise that some people hate Americans: they're usually the people that have a) never been to America and b) have never met an American. BTW: I was really curious so being a patronising twat is a bit uncalled for.
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Sorry your profile suggests you are from the United States. I just assumed that was America. So what "United States" is that? EDIT: Sorry I misread your post and agree. Most Americans I've meet are friendly and the donation the country has made to science and living standards is without peer. I guess sometimes your government has acted in ways "racists" have used to brand all Americans.
"You get that on the big jobs."
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harold aptroot wrote:
The ones living in the Netherlands are now "Dutch". Meaning they have to pay taxes and go to school. The horror! They also don't get a "get out of jail free" card anymore.
And apparently that is racist. And disrespective of their "culture".
Somewhat like the mob complaining about the govt hindering them in their business.
So how about they f*** off? They're not even a race anyway, just a gang of unwashed traveling criminals who bawww about human rights whenever they're not treated like royalty.Just in case you try and delete the message you racist.
"You get that on the big jobs."
It is not racist, they are not a race. And political correctness is a cowards way of not dealing with a problem. They are a problem but people refuse to accept it for fear of upsetting the liberal left. I do not have a problem, I refute all political correctness and call it as I see it. If you do not like that then tough, but the world doesn't exist just to keep you happy. They are a dirty, unwanted bunch of criminal thieving bastards that have no interest in joining any society. You PC types are always going on about their rights, but what of ours?
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It's not like any anglo-saxon has ever done anything like that. I here you but it's discrimination from the broader community that makes these people exist the way they do. They have been outcast by your tribalism. And I guess they are defeatist as well, like most of us. It takes a brave person to cross that boundary.
"You get that on the big jobs."
RobCroll wrote:
I here you but it's discrimination from the broader community that makes these people exist the way they do.
There is your mistake, you assume that the society doesn’t wants to integrate them but it’s the vice-versa. Most of the countries with a significant gipsy population have tried to integrate them at least partially during the years without even a partial success. We are not talking of isolated case or particular country or even a continent. They WANT their way of life, which would be okay if their way of life wasn’t consists of not working, stealing, polluting, making a lot of children which they neither are able to support nor care. Just a few weeks ago in my country they run over a young boy with a cargo van for the only reason they haven’t liked him and he’s been a Bulgarian dare to walk in a gipsy ghetto. They have ran over him a few times, just to be on the save side. During the communism when I was in the middle school the education was mandatory(and this was enforced) for everybody. Even then in the whole school we had only one gipsy boy. The reason for him been there? The poor kid had serious heart disease, so his parents decided he is useless and will die soon anyway and allow him to school. Do I think they are evil people? No of course they aren’t. Do I hate them? No I don’t although in some cases they disgust me. But I’m scared from the fact that such a people regarding the forecasts will be the majority of the population in my country (this will be the end of it of course) after only 30 years. As I said they double their population every 10 years if they receive welfare and have what to steal (which is the case from 1945).
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So the police report the ethnicity of the offenders? Great, show me the stats. Or is that just the local news stirring up racial hatred to sell a few ads? I'm sure there is some truth to it but look around you and see the lives these people are living. It's not the colour of their skin. It's poverty.
"You get that on the big jobs."
British Police are legally required to record the race of all people arrested or charged. Black and South Asians are over represented in criminal records. I know it doesn't accord with your 'Liberal' world view, but then it is just those inconvenient facts getting in the way.
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It is not racist, they are not a race. And political correctness is a cowards way of not dealing with a problem. They are a problem but people refuse to accept it for fear of upsetting the liberal left. I do not have a problem, I refute all political correctness and call it as I see it. If you do not like that then tough, but the world doesn't exist just to keep you happy. They are a dirty, unwanted bunch of criminal thieving bastards that have no interest in joining any society. You PC types are always going on about their rights, but what of ours?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It is not racist, they are not a race.
:thumbsup:
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Is it racist to point out that the majority of muggings in the UK are carried out by blacks? Of course it is racist to prejudge someone, but prejudice abounds in all forms. I have been the victim of it myself because of the way I speak. Where I live is it true that gypsy kids are not given the same kind of treatment as non gypsy kids if their parents take them out of school however beyond that I wouldnt call them unwashed criminals.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Is it racist to point out that the majority of muggings in the UK are carried out by blacks?
Yes. Because it suggests cause and effect. There is no evidence that suggests that racial characteristics have any significance in anything. (Studies that claim otherwise have flaws and often serious ones.)
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British Police are legally required to record the race of all people arrested or charged. Black and South Asians are over represented in criminal records. I know it doesn't accord with your 'Liberal' world view, but then it is just those inconvenient facts getting in the way.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
British Police are legally required to record the race of all people arrested or charged.
Black and South Asians are over represented in criminal records.
I know it doesn't accord with your 'Liberal' world view, but then it is just those inconvenient facts getting in the way.Are you suggesting when you use the word "fact" that there is a connection between race itself and criminal behavior? Are the police also required to record the yearly income of each person arrested? Are they required to record the trust levels for the legal system where each individual grew up? There are several areas for that including how the people of a neighborhood view the following: police response, investigation, arrest and prosecution?
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So the police report the ethnicity of the offenders? Great, show me the stats. Or is that just the local news stirring up racial hatred to sell a few ads? I'm sure there is some truth to it but look around you and see the lives these people are living. It's not the colour of their skin. It's poverty.
"You get that on the big jobs."
Well, their skin is the same colour as everyone elses where I live, and they arent poor, they work and make as much as the average, but they are given special tratment when it comes to takilng their kids out of school. As for UK stats, 2.6 % of the population makes up 14% of the prision population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom[^]
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Dalek Dave wrote:
British Police are legally required to record the race of all people arrested or charged.
Black and South Asians are over represented in criminal records.
I know it doesn't accord with your 'Liberal' world view, but then it is just those inconvenient facts getting in the way.Are you suggesting when you use the word "fact" that there is a connection between race itself and criminal behavior? Are the police also required to record the yearly income of each person arrested? Are they required to record the trust levels for the legal system where each individual grew up? There are several areas for that including how the people of a neighborhood view the following: police response, investigation, arrest and prosecution?
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Comparing black and gypsies is not correct IMO. The blacks are people, the gypsies not entirely(at least not from our point of view and moral system), see my post below. And if I recall correctly from the pictures from the riots in UK, not all of the rioters were black, in fact only half of them was black?
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30% of victims of gun crime in the UK are black, despite making up only 2.8% of the population.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London[^] 55% of court appearances for armed robbery are black http://digitaljournal.com/article/312487[^] Yes, most of the rest are white, so you will see plenty of white faces in the riots. But given blacks make up only 2.8% of the population you have to wonder why they figure so highly in the crime figures.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Is it racist to point out that the majority of muggings in the UK are carried out by blacks?
Yes. Because it suggests cause and effect. There is no evidence that suggests that racial characteristics have any significance in anything. (Studies that claim otherwise have flaws and often serious ones.)
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Well I guess you'll never understand why some people hate Americans either. PS I'm not one of them
"You get that on the big jobs."
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Because they are shameless. Thats why I dislike Americans. :)
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You don't like anyone so you don't count.
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Sorry your profile suggests you are from the United States. I just assumed that was America. So what "United States" is that? EDIT: Sorry I misread your post and agree. Most Americans I've meet are friendly and the donation the country has made to science and living standards is without peer. I guess sometimes your government has acted in ways "racists" have used to brand all Americans.
"You get that on the big jobs."
RobCroll wrote:
. I guess sometimes your government has acted in ways "racists" have used to brand all Americans.
I'm pretty sure all governments can be seen to act in a racist manner if it suits some political purpose. Americans are no different than anyone else: they still have to take their pants off to poop. :-)
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Oh really? Well here's the source ('Roma' angry at minister Leers of Immigration & Intergration)[^] Short translation: he wants to improve the integration of Roma (he's a PC guy ya know) by not having a different policy for Roma regarding eduction, healthcare, work and housing. Rather, they have to take their own responsibility, because they're no different from other Dutch citizens. Roma guy replies with: bull shit, we asking him to respect our culture and background, but we don't see that in his new policy. We fought hard for special treatment, but we're not getting it, so we're threatening to bawww to the european court for human rights. Leers replies with: well they don't write the law, we do, and they're not going to be any different from Dutch citizens. Honestly, how is the gypsy-position anything but completely unreasonable?
We get a similar attitude from some in the UK.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Is it a case of race or culture?
First there are other possibilities of which economic is certain to be related. Second "culture" is probably too broad of a term since there can be "culture" groupings yet which other unmeasured factors have an impact. Third race has nothing to do with it.
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jschell wrote:
there is a connection between race itself and criminal behavior?
The figures show that blacks make up a non representetively large percentage of prision population.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
The figures show that blacks make up a non representetively large percentage of prision population.
So? Are you unaware of the vast and long term attempts using a huge number of varying attributes to categorize not only criminal behavior but human behavior in general? All of which are almost (and perhaps total) failures? I am not even sure that there are even very small/limited categorizations which are successful. For example it is easy to diagnose Down's Syndrome but it does not then follow that one can then successfully predict the exact impact that it will have.