Fucking gypsies

[realJSOP]

Gypsies aren't a race. How was the OP making a racist statement?

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[jschell]

Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

Re-read what I wrote. It's not a prejudice (pre-judgement) if you are going by evidence.

I read what you said. You didn't read what I said. I suspect that most people with stated prejudices since at least 1950 and probably further back than that have attempted to explain their prejudices by claiming that there is 'evidence' of why their belief is rational. I have certainly seen exactly that sort of argument used to justify prejudice against Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, Homosexuals and even in one case differences between Caribbean islands. (And there are others but I can recall specifics about the cases I mention.) When I have looked at such 'evidence' (which I have done a number of times) I have always found that the stated information is not only prejudiced (predetermined to provide a negative outcome) but is often so blatant that one need not do any more research than to do a cursory reading of the original 'evidence'. Not only that but one need not look far for almost any well known prejudice to find someone who claims that it a rational conclusion. And given that if all of those claims are true it becomes meaningless because then the negative attributes would then be the norm of all humanity.

[jschell]

Deyan Georgiev wrote:

I’m very biased on the subject. And I was trying to explain why it’s so using facts

You are trying to rationalize it based on something that you call "facts".

Deyan Georgiev wrote:

not a hollow theory.

A personal opinion is not a theory. I like oatmeal raisin cookies. That isn't a theory. I don't need to prove it with "facts" and there is no way that anyone can provide evidence that would contradict that. On the other hand it would be ridiculous for me to try to prove with "facts" that that cookie is the 'best' cookie. Attempting to do that would be a rationalization on my part.

Deyan Georgiev wrote:

And I fail to see what is so wrong, that I want a big group of people (who define themselves as a distinct group very aggressively) to start obey the law, be responsible for their children and if it’s possible(this not mandatory) to start taking a shower once in a while and to learn the language of the country in which they are born.

I see nothing wrong with my desire that 99 out of 100 people should be sterilized at birth so they could never have children. Doing that for between 30 to 100 years would solve a vast number of problems in the world. However I am rather certain that there are quite a few people that would object to my personal preferences.

Deyan Georgiev wrote:

If they start doing this I’ll be really, really happy. And I don’t want them to change their way of life, just this few things.

How nice for you that others should change their lives to make you happy. And what are you willing to give up to make others happy? How about this...you agree that you will give those people who change 50% of your income for the rest of your life. I suspect that you could probably get say 5 or maybe even 10 people to change in the way that you want for that extra stipend that you would be giving to them.

Deyan Georgiev wrote:

And as I said there are gipsys who are honest, hardworking people but neither me nor most of my friends are referring to them as a “gipsy” only because of their skin color. In fact in my language “gipsy” mostly refers to a way of life and value system, rather than a particular race.

Specious. The term 'racist' in general usage has a broader

[Lost User]

Nice one. For a moment there you had me convinced. Extra points for getting into a "no you" argument.

[jschell]

harold aptroot wrote:

Nice one. For a moment there you had me convinced.
Extra points for getting into a "no you" argument.

No idea what you are talking about.

[jschell]

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Gypsies aren't a race. How was the OP making a racist statement?

There are any number of attributes used to group humans which are used then to denigrate the group and by association individuals in that group. And that has occurred throughout history: Jews, Irish, Japanese, Catholics, Harijans, homosexuals, mentally retarded, etc. In general common usage these days the word "racist" is used to apply to that negative pejorative grouping. If you you have another term which is in the common vernacular and means the same thing I would like to know what it is.

[jschell]

GenJerDan wrote:

What you see every day with your own eyes doesn't count for anything.

So true. Because everyone knows that astrology and homeopathy works. Not to mention the curative effects of bear bile, tiger penis and rhinoceros horn. And why are pyramid schemes illegal? Must be a conspiracy to keep poor people from getting rich.

[RobCroll]

So they speak a different language, they originated from the Indian Subcontinent but that doesn't make them a race of people!? It's always funny and pathetic listening to people justify to themselves that they're not racist. In this case it was just a blatant racist attack on a group of people who are different. So if discriminating against people who are different it's racist. What is racism?

"You get that on the big jobs."

[Lost User]

Is discriminating against criminals racism?

RobCroll wrote:

It's always funny and pathetic listening to people justify to themselves that they're not racist.

I'm beginning to find it funny that lots of people are just repeating this without ever, you know, backing it up. Shouting loudly and repeatedly that something is racism doesn't make it so.

[W Balboos GHB]

I am quite liberal - and for that reason insist that the police take down racial information about criminals. It helps a lot, when trying to catch them, when you know what the criminals look like! The stupidity that the police must stop and check people proportionately is sub-moronic. As is the complaint about more blacks in prison when they commit the majority of the crimes. I was against bi-lingual education for 15 years before they realized it was a bad idea. My liberal point of view? If you don't make these people (and more importantly, there children!) learn the local language (English), they'll always be second class citizens (=cheap exploitable labor). And, of course, on the other side, the major industry of maintaining a redundant educational system (i.e. bloated and unnecessarily expensive) has it's screamers. Like all of this crap, it cuts to both the left and right: just look more carefully. For similar reasons, the border with Mexico never seems to be sealed (by either party) because the [perceived votes / cheap labor] dialectic. It's in no one's interest to stop illegal immigration - except, of course, the workers who are displaced because they won't work for slave wages. The biggest socialist program (in the USA) is the farm price supports and subsides. This from the most republican states. It's not socialism only because they pocket the money and farm the way they're told. Give it to GM - i.e, democratic-dominated states, and they scream and yell bloody murder. Please don't pull the crap that liberals are the route of this stupidity. Whenever it's done, it's always for the same reason: there's money to be made for someone. Basically, when you drop the soap, they're two openings they'll fill: one by each party.

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[W Balboos GHB]

jschell wrote:

Because it suggests cause and effect.

So far, that would appear to be the more racist statement. Are smaller ethnic groups absolved of responsibility because they're not the majority? It is not racist (or anything else) to point out a fact. Period. Hypothesizing on the reason may (or may not) have racist motivations. From personal experience, I can give you this tidbit: when I was growing up, no one would care to associate with a person who steals/robs/mugs. This has become quite acceptable in a number of cultures, which coincidentally, happen to be observable as having racial commonality. Call it cultural. Call it economic. Make up any excuse you care to, but theft is theft, and a community/culture that's "OK with that" is defective (to put it mildly) and unacceptable if one is a rational human being who wishes to live in a civil society. Where I live, were one to leave their bicycle out overnight (locked) in a publicly accessible location, one would not be surprised to find it missing by morning. And now I'll say what you've been hoping to say (a point of attack): the black teensride East, two per bike, and return West, one per bike. Do the math . . .

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010