North Korea

Marc Clifton

:mad: Let's see. They admitted they violated the agreement on nuclear weapons development, then they broke the UN cameras, fired up their nuke plants, kicked the UN out, withdrew from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, said that if sanctions are imposed it means war, and are threatening to test fire missiles again. And they say it's all our fault. I'm getting so sick of this shit. Someone enlighten me, please. Why are they so pissed at us, or is it simply that their genes are closer to apes than ours? (sorry if I insulted any apes out there). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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KaRl

DOn't think it's genetic, we share all the same genes :) NK lives in a spatio-temporal parenthesis till the end of the 40's. It's like a museum of Stalinism, a museum of horrors. The concentration camps of NK are similar in atrocities to Buchenwald or Dachau, the genocide the leaders made (and continue to make) on their own people is comparable to Cambodia. It's such a shame to let humans do that on others humans. I know it's about RealPolitik, but I don't understand why we doesn't care to rip out this regim.

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Marc Clifton

Has anyone read this crap??? OMG. http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm[^] :mad::mad::mad: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Roger Wright

At least there was one article that contained an actual fact or two: Sanctuary for coots Pyongyang, January 10 (KCNA) -- Flocks of coots have gathered in the water area of the West Sea Barrage in Korea. Coot is a migratory bird that lives in areas north of the central part of Korea and flies away southward in winter. In recent years, however, they have built and settled in their nests in the water area of Wau and Pam islets on the lower River Taedong. They number several thousands. The two islets were designated as a sanctuary for coots in July last year. It's nice to know that there is still some truthful journalism functioning there.:) "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

Ted Ferenc

From a North Korean perspective, you could argue, has America broken any agreements, e.g. Kyoto et. al. How about protectionist policies, e.g. tariffs on steel imports, What about trying to enforce their will, e.g. threatening the EEC if they do not accept GM foods. Has America done anything to stop Israel ignoring UN resolutions? I am acting as a devils advocate, and do not totaly agree with the above statements, and I am not saying the above statements are 100% correct. But it is how I am sure a large portion of the world sees America.

If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants. - Isaac Newton 1676

Marc Clifton

I am acting as a devils advocate This is good--I think it's important to try and see things from other people's perspectives, but I'm just blown away by some of the language in their news agency posts, regardless of translation issues: "... as regards the grave situation where the national sovereignty and the supreme interests of the state are most seriously threatened by the U.S. vicious hostile policy toward the DPRK" "After the appearance of the Bush administration, the United States listed the DPRK as part of an "axis of evil", adopting it as a national policy to oppose its system, and singled it out as a target of preemptive nuclear attack, openly declaring a nuclear war." "The U.S. warmongers should clearly know that the U.S. strategy for domination over the DPRK is a pipe-dream" "If the United States fires a shot, we will fire ten and hundred shots." "A new Korean war will finally lead to the third world war" The rhetoric is almost unbelievable, were it not for similar rhetoric coming from the Bush Administration regarding Iraq, "axis of evil" and other juvenile comments. It seems like our leaders are a bunch of two year olds having temper tantrums. :mad: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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Ted Ferenc

Don't forget you are listening to a different culture, so the style of rhetoric is different. I live in England and in 1970 I drove to Poland for the 1st time, my parents are Polish, at the time Poland was communist, and I can see similarities, with the parades and the type of language that Poland used then and NK uses now. Marc Clifton wrote: "if the United States fires a shot, we will fire ten and hundred shots" is I would say an example of that, I am bi-lingual and you can't always translate the nuances of a language as the above statement shows. At the time Poland was isolatated and had no real contact with the west NK is the same at the moment. I would say it is just rhetoric, but not the style you or I are used to. I am glad you took my original post as an attempt to see another persons view, I just wish everyone would try and be good neighbours and live peacefully together!

If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants. - Isaac Newton 1676

ColinDavies

Marc Clifton wrote: Someone enlighten me, please. Why are they so pissed at us, After 50 + Years of having propoganda and mistruths forced into them, my guess is almost 100% of North Koreans can not tell what reality is. The whole nation is now basically a form of a slave farm. The elite leaders with every step in time are more scared of loosing power and thus must reinforce the control they have at every opportunity. NK is in a viscious cycle which will only lead to implosion and a fall into anarchary if it is broken. In reality I doubt the North Korean leadership is pissed at the US, however the US is always at hand to play the lead of the oppresive imperialists when reqired by the stage masters. And this fulfils the NK leadships position well. Regardz Colin J Davies

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Taka Muraoka

As soon as you septos open up your facilities for UN inspection and cameras and make your scientists available for interviews, you might have a leg to stand on :-) Marc Clifton wrote: Why are they so pissed at us Perhaps because of what you're doing[^]...? The link I wanted is no longer available but this is close. Apparently the White House has publicly been talking about seizing Iraq's oil reserves as "spoils of war" to help cover the cost of obtaining them in the first place. Riiiiighhhttt....

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peterchen

It's surely not the ape thing. a) during the cold war, did a "enemy of our enemy is our friend" and heavily sided with North Korea's arch enemy: South Korea. Just because NK did side with USSR, and experiment with a social system not approved by the US. b) Sanctions. Stopping weapon exporting ships just because. etc. c) They were recently declared member of the "Axis of Evil", remember? Well, if I was NK, I would feel pretty much provoked. d) Good timing. The US government did stick their head far out of the window with the Osama Iraq thing (so far that their ass is getting cold, if you take my meaning) they can't be bothered with a second front line That's how I see it, of course.

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peterchen

Marc Clifton wrote: Has anyone read this crap??? Don't worry.. future generations will say the same about an CNN archive. :cool:

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peterchen

Marc Clifton wrote: It seems like our leaders are a bunch of two year olds having temper tantrums. :talks into his watch" "I've got one who can see!"

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Chris Austin

Taka Muraoka wrote: septos Please forgive my ingorance but, what is a septo? Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

Taka Muraoka

Chris Austin wrote: Please forgive my ingorance but, what is a septo? :laugh: septo = septic tank = yank Marc got a bit indignant when I explained this to him a while back so I was just winding him up :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Lost User

Marc Clifton wrote: It seems like our leaders are a bunch of two year olds having temper tantrums. I wish I could disagree. I still remember the shivers seeing Donal Rumsfled sayign US soldiers would take no prisoners in Afghanistan. More Mai Lais ? The tigress is here :-D

Chris Austin

Good one! I love hearing new insults. Helps to know when I am overseas :) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

Marc Clifton

NK is in a viscious cycle which will only lead to implosion and a fall into anarchary if it is broken. That's scary. Because people who are desperate do desperate things. Like start wars. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka

Marc Clifton

Yes, but we don't hide the fact the we have nuclear bombs, nuclear reactors, that we test the damn things, etc. The neo-retro-hippies make it all public anyways. Instead, we try to hide the fact that we have secret technology borrowed from crashed alien spaceships and that both Bush (past and present) use astrologers to figure out when to start a war. :) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka

Marc Clifton

Well, our (US) illustrious leaders have been unleashing a great deal of rhetoric too. Seems like everyone wants to beat their chest and cry "aaaaayyyyyeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa". Yup. Good neighbours. I'd like to shoot mine every time he turns up the stereo at 7:30 AM on a weekend day and starts rattling my windows. But I'm a good neighbour. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka

Lost User

Chris Austin wrote: I love hearing new insults. Helps to know when I am overseas :) G'Day Chris. It's not an insult as such, it's rhyming slang. It's part of the English and Australian culture which is slowly dying out. When I was a child in the 1970's it was very common though rarely heard now. As a matter of fact the only one I can remember aside from Septic Tank is 'Hit the frog and toad' as 'Hit the road' Which was used whenever you needed to go home. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002