Thats why i hate c++
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Not sure what you're saying exactly, but one of the worst things IMHO, that a programmer can think is that program compilation has anything to do with program operation.
yes i know that but imagine that you cant trace an error because when you debug the executable it doesnt show up, what would you do?
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yes i know that but imagine that you cant trace an error because when you debug the executable it doesnt show up, what would you do?
Usually that means that there are environmental differences between your DEBUG running and the running that produces the errors. You need to figure out how to isolate these differences and determine why they are the cause of the error. Sometimes the addition of a logfile to write entries to, can help you narrow down the code that is failing. Oh and this isn't something that just happens to C++. It can happen with other languages too. :)
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yes i know that but imagine that you cant trace an error because when you debug the executable it doesnt show up, what would you do?
Chris is right - and it isn't even just software. A couple of times I have had problems with complex hardware prototypes not working - until you put an oscilloscope probe in the right place to monitor what the software is doing to it, and the problem goes away... That, my friend is when the nightmares start.
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Usually that means that there are environmental differences between your DEBUG running and the running that produces the errors. You need to figure out how to isolate these differences and determine why they are the cause of the error. Sometimes the addition of a logfile to write entries to, can help you narrow down the code that is failing. Oh and this isn't something that just happens to C++. It can happen with other languages too. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
yes I know but at least in managed languages you get a nice error message not a blank error messsage, thats why I hate c++
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Chris is right - and it isn't even just software. A couple of times I have had problems with complex hardware prototypes not working - until you put an oscilloscope probe in the right place to monitor what the software is doing to it, and the problem goes away... That, my friend is when the nightmares start.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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yes I know but at least in managed languages you get a nice error message not a blank error messsage, thats why I hate c++
And what if that useless message comes out of some library or DLL you are using? How is C++ responsible for that? One thing is almost certain: You have some unclean code somewhere in there which you get away with in a debug build, but not in a release build. Like it or not, but you are going to have to find that code and then fix it.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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Chris is right - and it isn't even just software. A couple of times I have had problems with complex hardware prototypes not working - until you put an oscilloscope probe in the right place to monitor what the software is doing to it, and the problem goes away... That, my friend is when the nightmares start.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Chris is right - and it isn't even just software. A couple of times I have had problems with complex hardware prototypes not working - until you put an oscilloscope probe in the right place to monitor what the software is doing to it, and the problem goes away... That, my friend is when the nightmares start.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
I remember fixing unstable hardware by putting a probe onto the right place.
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And what if that useless message comes out of some library or DLL you are using? How is C++ responsible for that? One thing is almost certain: You have some unclean code somewhere in there which you get away with in a debug build, but not in a release build. Like it or not, but you are going to have to find that code and then fix it.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
there is no release and no debug, just a regular .exe that when is run from the IDE to debug it goes fine, but when you click it on windows it goes wrong
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there is no release and no debug, just a regular .exe that when is run from the IDE to debug it goes fine, but when you click it on windows it goes wrong
Ouch buddy, you don't even know what are you talking about :doh: It must have to be either debug version or release version. as CDP1802 says, clean your code and stop complaining. and also try to figure out what is the differences and what is missing.
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Chris is right - and it isn't even just software. A couple of times I have had problems with complex hardware prototypes not working - until you put an oscilloscope probe in the right place to monitor what the software is doing to it, and the problem goes away... That, my friend is when the nightmares start.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
The boy is already trouble with CPP and you are threatening him with oscilloscope :laugh: How about forgetting to connect your circuit board with ground and your embedded device is not running at all :sigh:
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Ouch buddy, you don't even know what are you talking about :doh: It must have to be either debug version or release version. as CDP1802 says, clean your code and stop complaining. and also try to figure out what is the differences and what is missing.
I surely know what i am talking about, HOW TO CLEAN A CODE THAT YOU CANT DEBUG. and surely you have ever worked with c++ builder 6, c++ builder doesnt have a debug and release version it only has a single output, instead of giving new ideas you talk about how good you are and how ignorant i am. I will make it simple so your mind can understand!!! step one -you write code step two -you compile that code step tree your ide launches the .exe and you try it step four you test your program and i does just fine step five you go to the application folder and make double click on the executable step six the application show and erro message with no error at all now you get it, how CAN YOU ISOLATE THE PROBLEM and when you isolate it what will you do if you can trace what is wrong
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I surely know what i am talking about, HOW TO CLEAN A CODE THAT YOU CANT DEBUG. and surely you have ever worked with c++ builder 6, c++ builder doesnt have a debug and release version it only has a single output, instead of giving new ideas you talk about how good you are and how ignorant i am. I will make it simple so your mind can understand!!! step one -you write code step two -you compile that code step tree your ide launches the .exe and you try it step four you test your program and i does just fine step five you go to the application folder and make double click on the executable step six the application show and erro message with no error at all now you get it, how CAN YOU ISOLATE THE PROBLEM and when you isolate it what will you do if you can trace what is wrong
Step 7a: Read the code and try to locate the problem by analysis Step 7b: (only if 7a fails) Try to shorten the code to rule out as much of it as possible as source of the problem Step 7c: Identify potentially problematic code in what is left over and monitor it by logging Step 7d: Draw conclusions from the logged values, go back to 7b if the results are not conclusive Step 8: Fix the problem Step 9: Restore all the code that has been commented out during troubleshooting And now repeat 500 times 'I WILL NOT SHOUT AT THOSE WHO TRY TO HELP ME'. Edit: And there is also the tiny possibility that the compiler is a little antiquated and has a little problem with newer windows versions. Edit^2: Borland C++ Builder is from 2002. 10 years old, meaning it's probably a rare item in computer museums :)
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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The boy is already trouble with CPP and you are threatening him with oscilloscope :laugh: How about forgetting to connect your circuit board with ground and your embedded device is not running at all :sigh:
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I surely know what i am talking about, HOW TO CLEAN A CODE THAT YOU CANT DEBUG. and surely you have ever worked with c++ builder 6, c++ builder doesnt have a debug and release version it only has a single output, instead of giving new ideas you talk about how good you are and how ignorant i am. I will make it simple so your mind can understand!!! step one -you write code step two -you compile that code step tree your ide launches the .exe and you try it step four you test your program and i does just fine step five you go to the application folder and make double click on the executable step six the application show and erro message with no error at all now you get it, how CAN YOU ISOLATE THE PROBLEM and when you isolate it what will you do if you can trace what is wrong
C compilers have had release/debug, or flags you can set with the same effect (e.g. optimise on/off, inlining, etc) for a very long time. You are not talking to people in a way that will get answers, particularly after posting in the wrong forum (the HoS is explicitly not for asking questions). When I have fun like this I usually put lots of debug-to-console (or, if you are not running somewhere you can see that, to file) statements in and play divide-and-conquer to pin down where the problem is.
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C compilers have had release/debug, or flags you can set with the same effect (e.g. optimise on/off, inlining, etc) for a very long time. You are not talking to people in a way that will get answers, particularly after posting in the wrong forum (the HoS is explicitly not for asking questions). When I have fun like this I usually put lots of debug-to-console (or, if you are not running somewhere you can see that, to file) statements in and play divide-and-conquer to pin down where the problem is.
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Too simple. How can you overlook that you have no power at all?
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
do you think i spent all day? not at all, i found it right away. but can i blame micro-controller for this?
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He mentioned using C++ Builder 6, which is 10 years old. It may very well be that its runtime libraries or the Platform SDK are simply antiquated.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
hello, thanks for the help but that was five years ago that was the ultimate reason to select C# as main language, I have not any plans to fix that code i dont need it. Now i remember the error message: a popup window with this: external exception and no more, somewhat i located the error message in a simply i/o read but i couldnt do anything because the SAME code worked in other projects and I wasnt able to tell what was wrong i had to drop the project. now c++ fans how many times where you stucked because an error that have you haunted for weeks- a LOT since i use c# i never ever had an uncomprehensive stupid error again and please this is not a question forum i post it here to see if anyone had that kind of error once in their lives to feel that i am not alone
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hello, thanks for the help but that was five years ago that was the ultimate reason to select C# as main language, I have not any plans to fix that code i dont need it. Now i remember the error message: a popup window with this: external exception and no more, somewhat i located the error message in a simply i/o read but i couldnt do anything because the SAME code worked in other projects and I wasnt able to tell what was wrong i had to drop the project. now c++ fans how many times where you stucked because an error that have you haunted for weeks- a LOT since i use c# i never ever had an uncomprehensive stupid error again and please this is not a question forum i post it here to see if anyone had that kind of error once in their lives to feel that i am not alone
Vasily Tserekh wrote:
now c++ fans how many times where you stucked because an error that have you haunted for weeks- a LOT
since i use c# i never ever had an uncomprehensive stupid error againSounds like a case of selective perception to me. I would also like to have that version of the .Net framework that never does strange things :) C++ has two faces. It allows low level programming close to the computer's hardware, down to supporting writing assembly directly. On the other side it allows to go to a very high level, not dissimilar from what you do in C#. What makes C++ so scary? It can't be strange behavior, because you will encounter that in some form everywhere. C++ libraries are not perfect and the .Net framework also is not. The scary part must actually be low level programming where you must know what you are doing but also get very fine control over what's going on in return. Don't you know that the nice safe .Net world has a price?
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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Vasily Tserekh wrote:
now c++ fans how many times where you stucked because an error that have you haunted for weeks- a LOT
since i use c# i never ever had an uncomprehensive stupid error againSounds like a case of selective perception to me. I would also like to have that version of the .Net framework that never does strange things :) C++ has two faces. It allows low level programming close to the computer's hardware, down to supporting writing assembly directly. On the other side it allows to go to a very high level, not dissimilar from what you do in C#. What makes C++ so scary? It can't be strange behavior, because you will encounter that in some form everywhere. C++ libraries are not perfect and the .Net framework also is not. The scary part must actually be low level programming where you must know what you are doing but also get very fine control over what's going on in return. Don't you know that the nice safe .Net world has a price?
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
a price that you wont notice on core i processors
