Extreme Artificial Intelligence
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so What makes you think i'am not just a program now? - you might be replying to a program right now. :)
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I like that thought but it's not computers but computer programs in question, if our creativity is as a result of neural computations can't we give computer programs the same creativity by emulating those computations? The brain must use some algorithm or a set of algorithms to generate what we call intelligence and self aware. Though not sure about that.
We can give computers similar creativity. By their nature, computers may require a different approach to achieve intelligence and creativity. While computers are currently serial in nature (with limited parallelism) the brain is massively parallel with many millions of neurons working simultaneously. The brain also seems to employ both discrete and continuous forms of knowledge representation and processing. Neurons fire at various frequencies (continuous) and with continuous impulse levels from other neurons and continuous thresholds. However a single neuron firing is a discrete event. With such radically different architectures, it's natural to expect different algorithms may be appropriate to produce intelligence. Whatever approach turns out to be successful, we can expect computers to eventually be millions of times faster than humans, since their hardware is extensible. A future society may need to build limitations into intelligent computers in positions of power to prevent them from ruling us. Sort of like Issac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics.
"Microsoft -- Adding unnecessary complexity to your work since 1987!"
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so What makes you think i'am not just a program now? - you might be replying to a program right now. :)
So am I. Glad to see you D2.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
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Yes for now one cannot compare the computer to the human brain, but in the future there will be need to do just that, especially when the Fifth generation computers fitted with sensory processing programs come into existence, anything with self monitoring capability and short term memory is self aware, so a program that can monitor and keep track (learn) of it's actions is self aware, so short term memory as something to do with self awareness, I respect your view on this matter, but my stance is that self aware is as a result of mere self monitoring and keeping a log of actions (learn) in a knowledge base. :)
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God Knows (sic)!
yeah God knows for sure. I believe in God too :)
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Humanity; what do you expect?
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
To me i think it is just a mere result of computations of neurons in the brain, and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
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too vast subject I'm afraid, anyway if you are interested in such mind-boggling stuff read the works of Douglas Hofstader
yeah a vast subject indeed, will check that out.
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I think we are closer than we have ever been. IBM chip mimics human brain[^] According to the article above, IBM has already been able to mimic the brain. It's only one step in the process of becoming self-aware but one step leads to another. It seems silly to me to think that it will not happen someday. I'm not saying it will have a soul or be human but it will definately be self-aware. My dogs are not human but they are definately self-aware. It's just a matter of time now that the first step has been taken. Enjoy!
Thanks for the link. :)
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It maybe near depending on what break through science will make.
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To me i think it is just a mere result of computations of neurons in the brain, and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
Not any machine that will be invented in your lifetime.
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
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So am I. Glad to see you D2.
Hi C-3PO :laugh:
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We can give computers similar creativity. By their nature, computers may require a different approach to achieve intelligence and creativity. While computers are currently serial in nature (with limited parallelism) the brain is massively parallel with many millions of neurons working simultaneously. The brain also seems to employ both discrete and continuous forms of knowledge representation and processing. Neurons fire at various frequencies (continuous) and with continuous impulse levels from other neurons and continuous thresholds. However a single neuron firing is a discrete event. With such radically different architectures, it's natural to expect different algorithms may be appropriate to produce intelligence. Whatever approach turns out to be successful, we can expect computers to eventually be millions of times faster than humans, since their hardware is extensible. A future society may need to build limitations into intelligent computers in positions of power to prevent them from ruling us. Sort of like Issac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics.
"Microsoft -- Adding unnecessary complexity to your work since 1987!"
now that i like :)
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
and that processing can be replicated in a machine.
Not any machine that will be invented in your lifetime.
Binding 100,000 items to a list box can be just silly regardless of what pattern you are following. Jeremy Likness
yes at least somewhere in the future, it shall come to be. see http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-18/tech/ibm.brain.chip_1_experimental-chip-new-ibm-computers?_s=PM:TECH[^]
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anything with self monitoring capability and short term memory is self aware
I don't think this is true. Is a goldfish or an ant self-aware?
yes they are. :)
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Thats 2 different things so the answer is no. Try reversing it and you will see. If a program is self aware does that mean it simulates the human brain?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Thats 2 different things so the answer is no. Try reversing it and you will see. If a program is self aware does that mean it simulates the human brain?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
well i used the "simulating the brain" to show that the program can,say, have a conversation with you, can recognize you and hear you. The brain is known to make us self aware so i was thinking that if a program processes sensory inputs as the brain does will that program somehow be aware of it's existence? okay but the simulated brain will be self aware :laugh:
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well i used the "simulating the brain" to show that the program can,say, have a conversation with you, can recognize you and hear you. The brain is known to make us self aware so i was thinking that if a program processes sensory inputs as the brain does will that program somehow be aware of it's existence? okay but the simulated brain will be self aware :laugh:
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
The brain is known to make us self aware so i was thinking that if a program processes sensory inputs as the brain does will that program somehow be aware of it's existence?
Again you are combining 2 different functionalities. Your brain can function and work yet you have no sensory inputs. Look into coma studies. There are specific cases where they show plenty of brain activity, yet it is not in responce to external sensory (i.e. someone speaking does not change the activity, someone touching them does not change the activity etc etc.) Yes the brain compiles sensory input. Yes the brain is what lets us be self aware. However removing one does not necessarily remove the other, and i.e. granting the abilities of one to another 'being' or system does not grant both. Meaning a system with full sesnory input and processing similar to the human brain has nothing to do with being self aware. Nor does being self aware have anyting to do with processing what we humans deem as inputs. It is possible for a lifeform to be self aware that processes different sensories than we do.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
The brain is known to make us self aware so i was thinking that if a program processes sensory inputs as the brain does will that program somehow be aware of it's existence?
Again you are combining 2 different functionalities. Your brain can function and work yet you have no sensory inputs. Look into coma studies. There are specific cases where they show plenty of brain activity, yet it is not in responce to external sensory (i.e. someone speaking does not change the activity, someone touching them does not change the activity etc etc.) Yes the brain compiles sensory input. Yes the brain is what lets us be self aware. However removing one does not necessarily remove the other, and i.e. granting the abilities of one to another 'being' or system does not grant both. Meaning a system with full sesnory input and processing similar to the human brain has nothing to do with being self aware. Nor does being self aware have anyting to do with processing what we humans deem as inputs. It is possible for a lifeform to be self aware that processes different sensories than we do.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
I get your point but what then makes us self aware? is it not neural computations which can be replicated in a machine? just neurons firing action potentials makes us who we are, what we feel, so
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Nor does being self aware have anyting to do with processing what we humans deem as inputs.
but can you be aware of something without neurons processing the inputs from your sensory organs. I find it hard to believe that statement, because we are completely oblivious to things not exciting our sensory organs.
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I get your point but what then makes us self aware? is it not neural computations which can be replicated in a machine? just neurons firing action potentials makes us who we are, what we feel, so
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Nor does being self aware have anyting to do with processing what we humans deem as inputs.
but can you be aware of something without neurons processing the inputs from your sensory organs. I find it hard to believe that statement, because we are completely oblivious to things not exciting our sensory organs.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
I get your point but what then makes us self aware?
Maybe we will never know. Maybe it will be the greatest scientific advancement. No idea.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
but can you be aware of something without neurons processing the inputs from your sensory organs.
Being aware of 'something' is different that being self-aware. I think therefore I am. It is the only true truth we all have. Everything else is just interpretted signals that can be manipulated. So correct I can not be aware of other existances with out some inputs. But those inputs are not required for my self-awareness.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.