Weapons of Mass Destruction
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more specifically, US cars. the US consumes 1/4 of the world's energy, most of that as oil, while only comprising 5% of the total population. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: the US consumes 1/4 of the world's energy, most of that as oil, while only comprising 5% of the total population. I wonder how much of that energy consumption is used to create export goods that the rest of us consume? Would be curious to know.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africalauren wrote: theyre making a movie about me "confessions of a dangerous bitch" (hey! she said it, not me)
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Wow, someone should tell them. They'll want to sort that out before someone gets the impression that they really don't care -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: the impression that they really don't care But they do. They care so much they are sending their own boys and girls half way around the world to another country to turn it into a better place. So much love for other ideas they have.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africalauren wrote: theyre making a movie about me "confessions of a dangerous bitch" (hey! she said it, not me)
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more specifically, US cars. the US consumes 1/4 of the world's energy, most of that as oil, while only comprising 5% of the total population. -c
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More reason for us all to drive Segways... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 The siren sings a lonely song - of all the wants and hungers The lust of love a brute desire - the ledge of life goes under
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Michael P Butler wrote: This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Green party :cool: Michael P Butler wrote: Oil Sadly true, but it's the human greed (and laziness - lets face it, bicycles would do the job), not the oil that's causing our own destruction :| Baah humbug - all these depressing posts aren't helping the week along at all! :rose:
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
Megan Forbes wrote: lets face it, bicycles would do the job In a lot of cases, most certainly. Janina's dad got a bicycle awhile back, started riding it to work everyday instead of taking his car. Then one day a bus veered into him... luckily he was ok. The next day he went outside, opened his garage and got into his 3.0 litre Honda. Decided cars are safer when everyone else is also driving a car :) I am trying to decide between a surf ski... or a mountain bike. If I get the bike then I can ride to work (we have a shower in the office so that is no problem.) But the surf ski would be fantastic for taking photographs off, of the coast... lol. I wish the public transport was better here, I would use it (like I do when in London) then.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africalauren wrote: theyre making a movie about me "confessions of a dangerous bitch" (hey! she said it, not me)
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More reason for us all to drive Segways... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 The siren sings a lonely song - of all the wants and hungers The lust of love a brute desire - the ledge of life goes under
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: CA banned that in their cities, can't remember exactly why though. Concern over public safety. 'cause, CA is famous for being the safest place on earth, and they wouldn't want to risk that on a 30MPh scooter... :rolleyes:
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Shog9 The siren sings a lonely song - of all the wants and hungers The lust of love a brute desire - the ledge of life goes under
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Because it doesn't run on petrol? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Because it doesn't run on petrol? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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San Fran, and other cities, have banned their use on sidewalks because a Segway is too quiet, too fast and therefore too dangerous. you're not allowed to ride bikes on the sidewalks either, for the same reason. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/01/20/segway.ban.ap/index.html -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: the US consumes 1/4 of the world's energy, most of that as oil, while only comprising 5% of the total population. I wonder how much of that energy consumption is used to create export goods that the rest of us consume? Would be curious to know.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africalauren wrote: theyre making a movie about me "confessions of a dangerous bitch" (hey! she said it, not me)
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Michael P Butler wrote: This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Green party :cool: Michael P Butler wrote: Oil Sadly true, but it's the human greed (and laziness - lets face it, bicycles would do the job), not the oil that's causing our own destruction :| Baah humbug - all these depressing posts aren't helping the week along at all! :rose:
A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch
I'm trying to imagine a world where internal combustion engines are only used for long distance transport, and perhaps mass transit. Personal transportation within 25 miles of your home would be by bicycle or perhaps electric motorvehicles. doesn't seem so bad really. It will be awhile though. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Saddam does have access to a weapon of mass destruction - Oil Lets face it, oil and the things it powers have been destroying our environment for years. Not to mention the number of lives lost fighting over it. This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Green party ;-) Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
If oil is considered weapons of mass destruction, then we in the western world is guilty of extremly large scale genocide. This argument makes Saddam look innocent. -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
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more specifically, US cars. the US consumes 1/4 of the world's energy, most of that as oil, while only comprising 5% of the total population. -c
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Well, once we get everyone else's consumption levels up to snuff the statistics of it all will make us look much better, and then we can turn around and say, "hey, look at how fast ABC's energy consumption is increasing!" BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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I'm trying to imagine a world where internal combustion engines are only used for long distance transport, and perhaps mass transit. Personal transportation within 25 miles of your home would be by bicycle or perhaps electric motorvehicles. doesn't seem so bad really. It will be awhile though. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
Bad plan. How will you make sufficient electricity to charge the batteries for all those electric vehicles. Burning Oil or natural gas to make electricity, transporting it through miles of copper (with nearly 50% loss) to charge a battery would be less efficient, and result in more polution (no catalytic converters on your neighborhood power plant. Fuel Cells might be an answer some day, but for now the technology and infrastructure to make and distribute the needed Hydrogen just isn't there. The average commute to work where I live is around 20 miles one way: I don't hold out a lot of hope for convincing folk to use bicycles for this, especially since there is, again, little infrastructure (bike lanes) for this, and few would be willing to share a 6-lane expressway with tandem-trailer trucks on their bike (illegal anyway at the moment). In fact, it is the lack of infrastructure that is the biggest obstacle to replacing the gasoline engine. :suss: Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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Actually only San Francisco so far,I think. Too fast & dangerous for sidewalks, to slow for streets... So much for the bastion of liberalism. (skate boards, however are still allowed :~ ) Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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If oil is considered weapons of mass destruction, then we in the western world is guilty of extremly large scale genocide. This argument makes Saddam look innocent. -- There's a new game we like to play you see. A game with added reality. You treat me like a dog, get me down on my knees. We call it master and servant.
No argument can make Saddam look innocent.:( Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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Bad plan. How will you make sufficient electricity to charge the batteries for all those electric vehicles. Burning Oil or natural gas to make electricity, transporting it through miles of copper (with nearly 50% loss) to charge a battery would be less efficient, and result in more polution (no catalytic converters on your neighborhood power plant. Fuel Cells might be an answer some day, but for now the technology and infrastructure to make and distribute the needed Hydrogen just isn't there. The average commute to work where I live is around 20 miles one way: I don't hold out a lot of hope for convincing folk to use bicycles for this, especially since there is, again, little infrastructure (bike lanes) for this, and few would be willing to share a 6-lane expressway with tandem-trailer trucks on their bike (illegal anyway at the moment). In fact, it is the lack of infrastructure that is the biggest obstacle to replacing the gasoline engine. :suss: Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
I agree we're not close, that's why I said it will be a while. My commute is 25 miles one-way, and I know I wouldn't want to spend 3hrs per day traveling to work. But, I'm all for working towards a better efficiency. BW "Gandalf. Yes. That is what they used to call me. Gandalf the Grey. *I* am Gandalf the White." - Gandalf the White
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Megan Forbes wrote: lets face it, bicycles would do the job In a lot of cases, most certainly. Janina's dad got a bicycle awhile back, started riding it to work everyday instead of taking his car. Then one day a bus veered into him... luckily he was ok. The next day he went outside, opened his garage and got into his 3.0 litre Honda. Decided cars are safer when everyone else is also driving a car :) I am trying to decide between a surf ski... or a mountain bike. If I get the bike then I can ride to work (we have a shower in the office so that is no problem.) But the surf ski would be fantastic for taking photographs off, of the coast... lol. I wish the public transport was better here, I would use it (like I do when in London) then.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africalauren wrote: theyre making a movie about me "confessions of a dangerous bitch" (hey! she said it, not me)
I reccomend the surf ski. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Bad plan. How will you make sufficient electricity to charge the batteries for all those electric vehicles. Burning Oil or natural gas to make electricity, transporting it through miles of copper (with nearly 50% loss) to charge a battery would be less efficient, and result in more polution (no catalytic converters on your neighborhood power plant. Fuel Cells might be an answer some day, but for now the technology and infrastructure to make and distribute the needed Hydrogen just isn't there. The average commute to work where I live is around 20 miles one way: I don't hold out a lot of hope for convincing folk to use bicycles for this, especially since there is, again, little infrastructure (bike lanes) for this, and few would be willing to share a 6-lane expressway with tandem-trailer trucks on their bike (illegal anyway at the moment). In fact, it is the lack of infrastructure that is the biggest obstacle to replacing the gasoline engine. :suss: Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
Rob Graham wrote: Burning Oil or natural gas to make electricity, transporting it through miles of copper (with nearly 50% loss) to charge a battery would be less efficient, and result in more polution (no catalytic converters on your neighborhood power plant. Most people seem to forget this. Even the Hydrogen powered cars need electricity to make the hydrogen, and the elctricity is probably made from coal or oil. So we are just switching one place doing the polluting to another. One idea I like is wind farms that produce electricity that is immediately used for Hydrogen production. But its probably not economically viable for sometime still. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.