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  • J jojoba2011

    Hi, How can i get the full record that is delete/Update via exec sp_trace_setevent @TraceId I mean: I have table with this columns Id int ,Name nvarchar(max) ,Family nvarchar(max) with the values: 1,jojoba,alin 2,babk,babyi ... now i when i update like this:

    UPDATE tblName
    SET Name='okki', Family='koki' where Id=2

    now I wanna this in my trace: 2,babk,babyi Deleted 2,ooki,koki Inserted

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    JohnPayton
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    May I offer a possible solution, if all of the database actions are being "called" by a front end application then another method to maintain an audit trail is to simply append and database change details to a ascii log file (simple text file). :) For example where I work if anybody makes a change to any database field the action is recorded also to the log file. Then if we need to access who made the changes and what changes were made on any particular date in time, even years ago it's a simple matter to check the log file. When it get's too big archive it and start a new one. :cool:

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      May I offer a possible solution, if all of the database actions are being "called" by a front end application then another method to maintain an audit trail is to simply append and database change details to a ascii log file (simple text file). :) For example where I work if anybody makes a change to any database field the action is recorded also to the log file. Then if we need to access who made the changes and what changes were made on any particular date in time, even years ago it's a simple matter to check the log file. When it get's too big archive it and start a new one. :cool:

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      jojoba2011
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      Thanks all for Reply. Can u give me a small example on how to do that? I exactly wanna this.

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        If you run it manually, you'll see the text as sent to the server. A trace is meant to "trace" what commands are being executed. AFAIK, it wouldn't even remotely interested in the "current" values. Repeating the question will not change the answer.

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        jojoba2011
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        thanks for you reply for both C# and Database pages. But isnt it possible to have when running update SP. Its very important to do that . if possible then its end of story. Q2)is it possible to have the OLD trace if the user delete the .trc file from SQL.

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        • J jojoba2011

          Thanks all for Reply. Can u give me a small example on how to do that? I exactly wanna this.

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          Sure, this is a snippet from a routine in VB6, but it would be easy to convert it to VB.Net. In this instance I'm recording the method of payment and amounts from each transaction. If the log.txt file does not exist then create it, otherwise append to it. You will notice this particular log file is called LogReturns.txt and it's in the root directory of the program executable. Hope this is what you are looking for.

          On Error Resume Next
          Dim fso As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
          Dim mFile As String
          Dim txtfile As Object
          mFile = "/LogReturns.txt"
          If fso.FileExists(App.Path & mFile) Then
          Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
          Set txtfile = fso.OpenTextFile(App.Path & "/LogReturns.txt", ForAppending)
          Else
          Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
          Set txtfile = fso.CreateTextFile(App.Path & "/LogReturns.txt", True)
          End If
          Dim mVar As Integer
          txtfile.WriteLine (" ")
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Receipt Number : " & recReceipt.Fields("ReceiptNum"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Member Number : " & recReceipt.Fields("MembNum"))
          For mVar = 0 To intMoviesReturnCount - 1
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Movie Number(s): " & arrMoviesReturned(mVar))
          Next mVar
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Rec Date & Time: " & recReceipt.Fields("ReceiptDateTime"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Amount Payable : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Amount"), "$0.00"))
          ' v1.0.159 : 26-Jul-2006 : JPG : Added CashNett value to report
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Cash Nett : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CashNett"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Cash Tendered : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CashTendered"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Eftpos Selected: " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Eftpos"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Cheque Provided: " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Cheque"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Credit Card : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CreditCard"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("GiftCard Used : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("GiftCardUsed"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Discount : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Discount"), "$0.00"))
          txtfile.WriteLine ("Transfer : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("DebitMemberBalance"), "$0.00"))

          txtfile.WriteLine (" ")
          txtfile.WriteLine ("\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*")
          txtfile.Close
          Set fso = Nothing
          
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          • J JohnPayton

            Sure, this is a snippet from a routine in VB6, but it would be easy to convert it to VB.Net. In this instance I'm recording the method of payment and amounts from each transaction. If the log.txt file does not exist then create it, otherwise append to it. You will notice this particular log file is called LogReturns.txt and it's in the root directory of the program executable. Hope this is what you are looking for.

            On Error Resume Next
            Dim fso As New Scripting.FileSystemObject
            Dim mFile As String
            Dim txtfile As Object
            mFile = "/LogReturns.txt"
            If fso.FileExists(App.Path & mFile) Then
            Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
            Set txtfile = fso.OpenTextFile(App.Path & "/LogReturns.txt", ForAppending)
            Else
            Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
            Set txtfile = fso.CreateTextFile(App.Path & "/LogReturns.txt", True)
            End If
            Dim mVar As Integer
            txtfile.WriteLine (" ")
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Receipt Number : " & recReceipt.Fields("ReceiptNum"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Member Number : " & recReceipt.Fields("MembNum"))
            For mVar = 0 To intMoviesReturnCount - 1
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Movie Number(s): " & arrMoviesReturned(mVar))
            Next mVar
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Rec Date & Time: " & recReceipt.Fields("ReceiptDateTime"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Amount Payable : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Amount"), "$0.00"))
            ' v1.0.159 : 26-Jul-2006 : JPG : Added CashNett value to report
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Cash Nett : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CashNett"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Cash Tendered : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CashTendered"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Eftpos Selected: " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Eftpos"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Cheque Provided: " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Cheque"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Credit Card : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("CreditCard"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("GiftCard Used : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("GiftCardUsed"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Discount : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("Discount"), "$0.00"))
            txtfile.WriteLine ("Transfer : " & Format(recReceipt.Fields("DebitMemberBalance"), "$0.00"))

            txtfile.WriteLine (" ")
            txtfile.WriteLine ("\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*")
            txtfile.Close
            Set fso = Nothing
            
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            jojoba2011
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            thanks for ans. But i wanna to get the info from my SQL database . i wanna to have every thing the user changed,Updated,Inserted,Deleted. So i can trace that.

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            • J jojoba2011

              thanks for ans. But i wanna to get the info from my SQL database . i wanna to have every thing the user changed,Updated,Inserted,Deleted. So i can trace that.

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              JohnPayton
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              Hi jojoba2011, You get the values you need to save from the front end application, what I mean to say is the values you are using in the database insert or update query are also used for the text report audit trail. In the case of the original values that are being replaced, they are stored as a variable when the update/insert page is first populated. Do you understand what I'm saying?

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                Hi jojoba2011, You get the values you need to save from the front end application, what I mean to say is the values you are using in the database insert or update query are also used for the text report audit trail. In the case of the original values that are being replaced, they are stored as a variable when the update/insert page is first populated. Do you understand what I'm saying?

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                jojoba2011
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                first of all thanks for your attention! Sorry i cant understand! I think that u add values to txt when inserting them to Database. Correct? But i wanna to get it from DB.even if the text file deleted i can get info back.

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                • J jojoba2011

                  thanks for you reply for both C# and Database pages. But isnt it possible to have when running update SP. Its very important to do that . if possible then its end of story. Q2)is it possible to have the OLD trace if the user delete the .trc file from SQL.

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                  #21

                  jojoba2011 wrote:

                  But isnt it possible to have when running update SP.
                   
                  Its very important to do that .
                  if possible then its end of story.

                  No, not possible.

                  jojoba2011 wrote:

                  is it possible to have the OLD trace if the user delete the .trc file from SQL.

                  Yes, as I already suggested when I answered the post; embed a trace-file as an embedded resource. That way it will be compiled "into" your executable. ..but no, unless you're the administrator and have more rights on my machine than I do, I'll not only change the trace-file, I'll even make sure that there's fake data entered for your amusement.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                    jojoba2011 wrote:

                    But isnt it possible to have when running update SP.
                     
                    Its very important to do that .
                    if possible then its end of story.

                    No, not possible.

                    jojoba2011 wrote:

                    is it possible to have the OLD trace if the user delete the .trc file from SQL.

                    Yes, as I already suggested when I answered the post; embed a trace-file as an embedded resource. That way it will be compiled "into" your executable. ..but no, unless you're the administrator and have more rights on my machine than I do, I'll not only change the trace-file, I'll even make sure that there's fake data entered for your amusement.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                    jojoba2011
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                    thanks, your really active one. can you give me an example that how can i embed a trace-file as an embedded resource in C# in my app.???

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                    • J jojoba2011

                      thanks, your really active one. can you give me an example that how can i embed a trace-file as an embedded resource in C# in my app.???

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                      I could, but it's your work. There are enough examples on the internet, and they don't take more than a few lines of code. Good luck :)

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                      • J jojoba2011

                        first of all thanks for your attention! Sorry i cant understand! I think that u add values to txt when inserting them to Database. Correct? But i wanna to get it from DB.even if the text file deleted i can get info back.

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                        JohnPayton
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                        Yes that's right, you keep the values you are inserting/updating/deleting then call a routine to record the changes in the ascii text audit file. :) Re Getting data from the DB, I'm sorry but I don't know how to retrieve data from SQLServer from past transactions, I'm sure it's possible from the transaction log. But in my circumstances it's been easier to just store the old values and new values when they happen to variables then send to the ascii log file.

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                          Yes that's right, you keep the values you are inserting/updating/deleting then call a routine to record the changes in the ascii text audit file. :) Re Getting data from the DB, I'm sorry but I don't know how to retrieve data from SQLServer from past transactions, I'm sure it's possible from the transaction log. But in my circumstances it's been easier to just store the old values and new values when they happen to variables then send to the ascii log file.

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                          thanks! but i wanna to have that .how to retrieve data from SQLServer from past transactions

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                            I could, but it's your work. There are enough examples on the internet, and they don't take more than a few lines of code. Good luck :)

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                            jojoba2011
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                            Hi,Thanks i wanna to have something like "ApexSQL Log" but not that much big.

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                            • J jojoba2011

                              Hi,Thanks i wanna to have something like "ApexSQL Log" but not that much big.

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                              I don't know the product, but I'm guessing it's a tool that saves both the old and the new values. You already have a table - you can easily insert new values without ever touching the old ones. It won't be "as big" as any external audit, since any external data-file would have more overhead. If your client needs to keep all historic values, then you simply don't update or delete.

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                                I don't know the product, but I'm guessing it's a tool that saves both the old and the new values. You already have a table - you can easily insert new values without ever touching the old ones. It won't be "as big" as any external audit, since any external data-file would have more overhead. If your client needs to keep all historic values, then you simply don't update or delete.

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                                hi dear. this is exact the tool that i wanna.this read .ldf(log) file of SQL and convert it to human Language.it exactly show the old values and new values both .i wanna to do this my self without buying it and i dont wanna that much info. See can u give me something like that > I know that u can do that cause ur expert in SQL.

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                                  hi dear. this is exact the tool that i wanna.this read .ldf(log) file of SQL and convert it to human Language.it exactly show the old values and new values both .i wanna to do this my self without buying it and i dont wanna that much info. See can u give me something like that > I know that u can do that cause ur expert in SQL.

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                                  jojoba2011 wrote:

                                  hi dear

                                  I'd like to suggest a more neutral greeting.

                                  jojoba2011 wrote:

                                  See can u give me something like that

                                  No, because the structure of the ldf-file isn't public. You'd still need to talk to Microsoft if you want to read the ldf-file. Or try and lull the company into handing you some help.

                                  jojoba2011 wrote:

                                  I know that u can do that cause ur expert in SQL.

                                  Nope; I can only give some options -

                                  • You can do a real audit in Sql Server, not Sql Express
                                  • You can trace, but that doesn't show the "old" values
                                  • You can insert without update. Sounds wrong, but is often the best solution, since your table is the most optimized structure to hold that type of data.
                                  • You could create triggers to copy both old and new values to some other table, which would be the complex version of the point above, without too much added value.
                                  • You can change the datalayer of the code talking to your server, and have it log there.
                                  • Talk to Microsoft

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