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  • P Pete OHanlon

    I'm always curious as to why people insist on declaring ALL variables inside a try/catch block. It's not as though declaring the first three variables there are likely to cause an exception (nor that instantiating the DataSet and SqlDataAdapter will cause problems).

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    AspDotNetDev
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    I'm fairly certain the person that made this code did not consider such things. As an example:

    Dim oRs As New DataSet
    ' ...not so many lines later...
    oRs = New DataSet

    An instance is created, then shortly after another instance is created. And I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor. :|

    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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      The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

      Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
      Try
      Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
      Dim oRs As New DataSet
      Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
      'oConn.Open()
      oRs = New DataSet
      oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
      oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
      Return oRs
      oRs.Dispose()
      oDAdapt.Dispose()
      'oConn.Close()
      Catch ex As Exception
      'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
      End Try
      End Function

      Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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      jim lahey
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      Aside from redundant variable declarations and swallowed exceptions, I enjoy the way the author disposes of the DataSet and DataAdapter after the method has returned. It's the only way to be sure.. Also: VB.net and inherent naming convention make me grieve for the the 18 months I lost before I moved to C# and started calling things by names that infer even the slightest insight to their usage.

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        I'm fairly certain the person that made this code did not consider such things. As an example:

        Dim oRs As New DataSet
        ' ...not so many lines later...
        oRs = New DataSet

        An instance is created, then shortly after another instance is created. And I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor. :|

        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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        Pete OHanlon
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        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor

        I seem to remember reading somewhere that the VB editor removes the parens from the default constructor. That was an old version, but it wouldn't surprise me if this behaviour was still present.

        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          AspDotNetDev wrote:

          I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor

          I seem to remember reading somewhere that the VB editor removes the parens from the default constructor. That was an old version, but it wouldn't surprise me if this behaviour was still present.

          *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

          CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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          Tom Deketelaere
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          Just tested it. VB doesn't remove them but it doesn't add them neither so if you type them yourself they'll stay there. :)

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          • J jim lahey

            Aside from redundant variable declarations and swallowed exceptions, I enjoy the way the author disposes of the DataSet and DataAdapter after the method has returned. It's the only way to be sure.. Also: VB.net and inherent naming convention make me grieve for the the 18 months I lost before I moved to C# and started calling things by names that infer even the slightest insight to their usage.

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            Lost User
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            Trying to open a MessageBox in a webservice in case of an exception is also not the brightest idea. It was probably commented out because of 'unexpected' side effects, like somebody having to go to the server to click it away :)

            At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity

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            • L Lost User

              Trying to open a MessageBox in a webservice in case of an exception is also not the brightest idea. It was probably commented out because of 'unexpected' side effects, like somebody having to go to the server to click it away :)

              At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity

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              jim lahey
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              #11

              I've seen the MessageBox-without-a-GUI before, in a windows service but I didn't know it would "work" in a webservice too. Funnily enough, I've never tried this :)

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

                Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
                Try
                Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
                Dim oRs As New DataSet
                Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
                'oConn.Open()
                oRs = New DataSet
                oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
                oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
                Return oRs
                oRs.Dispose()
                oDAdapt.Dispose()
                'oConn.Close()
                Catch ex As Exception
                'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
                End Try
                End Function

                Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

                Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                RobCroll
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                I might use this as a test question for students to identify all mistakes. It would worth an easy 5 marks. I love the hint that the connection is opened at some stage and then left open. Bonus mark for picking that up. In fact maybe there whole ADO.NET component of the test could be that one question :laugh:

                "You get that on the big jobs."

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                • C Chris Meech

                  It's funny that it's called GrabDataSet instead of GetDataSet. What are you gonna do? Squeeze it until the data flows out. :)

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                  ExcellentOrg
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                  He he he Chris, The best comeback I have for that is "But ... Get did not work "

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                  • A AspDotNetDev

                    I'm fairly certain the person that made this code did not consider such things. As an example:

                    Dim oRs As New DataSet
                    ' ...not so many lines later...
                    oRs = New DataSet

                    An instance is created, then shortly after another instance is created. And I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor. :|

                    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                    ExcellentOrg
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                    #14

                    Whaddyaknow Thats a straight copy from MSDN

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                    • A AspDotNetDev

                      I'm fairly certain the person that made this code did not consider such things. As an example:

                      Dim oRs As New DataSet
                      ' ...not so many lines later...
                      oRs = New DataSet

                      An instance is created, then shortly after another instance is created. And I really don't like when the parens aren't put after calling a constructor. :|

                      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                      dan sh
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                      How can you trust a machine?

                      "Fear no factor", Prime Numbers.

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                      • A AspDotNetDev

                        The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

                        Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
                        Try
                        Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
                        Dim oRs As New DataSet
                        Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
                        'oConn.Open()
                        oRs = New DataSet
                        oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
                        oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
                        Return oRs
                        oRs.Dispose()
                        oDAdapt.Dispose()
                        'oConn.Close()
                        Catch ex As Exception
                        'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
                        End Try
                        End Function

                        Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

                        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                        woosterprogrammer
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                        I am trying to learn better development practices so I would gratified if somebody could confirm what I see as well as show me the ideal replacement for this code. Issues with the code 1) Sending in a SQL statement seems to be invitation for SQL injection 2) Exception handling seems to have been done exclusively so that the end user never sees a problem and nothing else 3) The Dispose statements seem to be useless . Now is it good practice to open and close database connections , I have been reading elsewhere about using the Singleton pattern for database connections which in some cases do leave the connection open. Why is it essential to use dispose for the objects that were declared inside the function ? We know that they will be returned to the GC as soon as the function exits.

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                        • W woosterprogrammer

                          I am trying to learn better development practices so I would gratified if somebody could confirm what I see as well as show me the ideal replacement for this code. Issues with the code 1) Sending in a SQL statement seems to be invitation for SQL injection 2) Exception handling seems to have been done exclusively so that the end user never sees a problem and nothing else 3) The Dispose statements seem to be useless . Now is it good practice to open and close database connections , I have been reading elsewhere about using the Singleton pattern for database connections which in some cases do leave the connection open. Why is it essential to use dispose for the objects that were declared inside the function ? We know that they will be returned to the GC as soon as the function exits.

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                          Schmuli
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                          Regarding the issues, there are a few more, like initializing a variable only to re-initialize a few lines later, and others. In .NET especially, there is connection pooling for database connections, meaning that even after you close a connection, the connection is kept alive by the framework, and next time you open the connection, the existing connection will be reused. No comment on the Singleton pattern. It is considered a best practice to always call the Dispose method on a Class that implements IDisposable. This is why there is a

                          using (resource) { }

                          construct built into the language. Classes usually implement IDisposable to indicate that they are using external resources which need to be released once you are finished with the class. In .NET, once a method has completed (returned), any instances created that have no other references can be collected by the Garbage Collector (GC). However, because the GC decides to clean the memory in its own time, this can sometimes mean that instances remain alive for longer than necessary. For example, on a computer with a lot of RAM, the GC may not run for a long time, as there is no issue with Memory. Another issue with relying on the GC is that the GC will not call the Dispose method on an instance, as it doesn't know anything about IDisposable. What it does is call the Finalize method (known as the Finalizer), which all classes inherit from Object. However, the way in which GC calls the Finalizer means that the instance has to be kept alive for longer than absolutely necessary, at minimum until the next GC collection. Additionally, not all classes necessarily implement a Finalizer. If a class used external resources, such as a file or a database connection and doesn't release the resource, the external resources may remain inaccessible even after the .NET application closes.

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                          • A AspDotNetDev

                            The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

                            Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
                            Try
                            Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
                            Dim oRs As New DataSet
                            Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
                            'oConn.Open()
                            oRs = New DataSet
                            oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
                            oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
                            Return oRs
                            oRs.Dispose()
                            oDAdapt.Dispose()
                            'oConn.Close()
                            Catch ex As Exception
                            'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
                            End Try
                            End Function

                            Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

                            Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                            Schmuli
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                            At least he made it a Private function, that is one good thing!

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                            • W woosterprogrammer

                              I am trying to learn better development practices so I would gratified if somebody could confirm what I see as well as show me the ideal replacement for this code. Issues with the code 1) Sending in a SQL statement seems to be invitation for SQL injection 2) Exception handling seems to have been done exclusively so that the end user never sees a problem and nothing else 3) The Dispose statements seem to be useless . Now is it good practice to open and close database connections , I have been reading elsewhere about using the Singleton pattern for database connections which in some cases do leave the connection open. Why is it essential to use dispose for the objects that were declared inside the function ? We know that they will be returned to the GC as soon as the function exits.

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                              Gary Huck
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                              Re: 1) - you're not going to invite SQL injection with a method. You'll invite injection from user entry or some such thing. I guess I'm suggesting this method is safe IF I can assume some protection is in place before it is invoked.

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                              • A AspDotNetDev

                                The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

                                Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
                                Try
                                Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
                                Dim oRs As New DataSet
                                Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
                                'oConn.Open()
                                oRs = New DataSet
                                oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
                                oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
                                Return oRs
                                oRs.Dispose()
                                oDAdapt.Dispose()
                                'oConn.Close()
                                Catch ex As Exception
                                'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
                                End Try
                                End Function

                                Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

                                Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                                Dave Kreskowiak
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                                Maybe the Republicans are correct when they say "Outsourcing is good for the economy." It keeps all of us employed rewriting all that crap code!

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                                • S Schmuli

                                  Regarding the issues, there are a few more, like initializing a variable only to re-initialize a few lines later, and others. In .NET especially, there is connection pooling for database connections, meaning that even after you close a connection, the connection is kept alive by the framework, and next time you open the connection, the existing connection will be reused. No comment on the Singleton pattern. It is considered a best practice to always call the Dispose method on a Class that implements IDisposable. This is why there is a

                                  using (resource) { }

                                  construct built into the language. Classes usually implement IDisposable to indicate that they are using external resources which need to be released once you are finished with the class. In .NET, once a method has completed (returned), any instances created that have no other references can be collected by the Garbage Collector (GC). However, because the GC decides to clean the memory in its own time, this can sometimes mean that instances remain alive for longer than necessary. For example, on a computer with a lot of RAM, the GC may not run for a long time, as there is no issue with Memory. Another issue with relying on the GC is that the GC will not call the Dispose method on an instance, as it doesn't know anything about IDisposable. What it does is call the Finalize method (known as the Finalizer), which all classes inherit from Object. However, the way in which GC calls the Finalizer means that the instance has to be kept alive for longer than absolutely necessary, at minimum until the next GC collection. Additionally, not all classes necessarily implement a Finalizer. If a class used external resources, such as a file or a database connection and doesn't release the resource, the external resources may remain inaccessible even after the .NET application closes.

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                                  woosterprogrammer
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                                  Thank you for your comments. I had no idea that GC uses some form of Lazy scheduling. Any pointers on documentation that would guide me towards the accepted standards for .Net programming?

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                                  • A AspDotNetDev

                                    The following code is copy/pasted verbatim from a live production environment (the entire project/solution is on the production file system, side-by-side with the executing code):

                                    Private Function GrabDataSet(ByVal sSQL As String) As DataSet
                                    Try
                                    Dim oDAdapt As SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter
                                    Dim oRs As New DataSet
                                    Dim cmdSQL As String = sSQL
                                    'oConn.Open()
                                    oRs = New DataSet
                                    oDAdapt = New SqlClient.SqlDataAdapter(cmdSQL, oConn)
                                    oDAdapt.Fill(oRs)
                                    Return oRs
                                    oRs.Dispose()
                                    oDAdapt.Dispose()
                                    'oConn.Close()
                                    Catch ex As Exception
                                    'MsgBox(ex.Message, MsgBoxStyle.OKOnly, "Database Error")
                                    End Try
                                    End Function

                                    Found this in a web service I'm upgrading. It's hard to find anything NOT wrong with this. :((

                                    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                                    reilly96
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                                    Return oRs
                                    oRs.Dispose()
                                    oDAdapt.Dispose()

                                    the dispose never gets hit because the return will exit the function

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                                    • T Tom Deketelaere

                                      Just tested it. VB doesn't remove them but it doesn't add them neither so if you type them yourself they'll stay there. :)

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                                      Alan Burkhart
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                                      VB only requires parens when it's necessary to add parameters. Otherwise, you can slip by without them.

                                      XAlan Burkhart

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                                      • S Schmuli

                                        Regarding the issues, there are a few more, like initializing a variable only to re-initialize a few lines later, and others. In .NET especially, there is connection pooling for database connections, meaning that even after you close a connection, the connection is kept alive by the framework, and next time you open the connection, the existing connection will be reused. No comment on the Singleton pattern. It is considered a best practice to always call the Dispose method on a Class that implements IDisposable. This is why there is a

                                        using (resource) { }

                                        construct built into the language. Classes usually implement IDisposable to indicate that they are using external resources which need to be released once you are finished with the class. In .NET, once a method has completed (returned), any instances created that have no other references can be collected by the Garbage Collector (GC). However, because the GC decides to clean the memory in its own time, this can sometimes mean that instances remain alive for longer than necessary. For example, on a computer with a lot of RAM, the GC may not run for a long time, as there is no issue with Memory. Another issue with relying on the GC is that the GC will not call the Dispose method on an instance, as it doesn't know anything about IDisposable. What it does is call the Finalize method (known as the Finalizer), which all classes inherit from Object. However, the way in which GC calls the Finalizer means that the instance has to be kept alive for longer than absolutely necessary, at minimum until the next GC collection. Additionally, not all classes necessarily implement a Finalizer. If a class used external resources, such as a file or a database connection and doesn't release the resource, the external resources may remain inaccessible even after the .NET application closes.

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                                        BobJanova
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                                        Generally an excellent post, however this:

                                        Schmuli wrote:

                                        If a class used external resources, such as a file or a database connection and doesn't release the resource, the external resources may remain inaccessible even after the .NET application closes.

                                        ... isn't true on a decent operating system (and Windows qualifies these days), because when the process ends all its resource ties will be killed by the OS. But yes, relying on the GC to clean up after you is a bad plan, because there's no guarantee that the GC will run immediately, or even ever.

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                                          Generally an excellent post, however this:

                                          Schmuli wrote:

                                          If a class used external resources, such as a file or a database connection and doesn't release the resource, the external resources may remain inaccessible even after the .NET application closes.

                                          ... isn't true on a decent operating system (and Windows qualifies these days), because when the process ends all its resource ties will be killed by the OS. But yes, relying on the GC to clean up after you is a bad plan, because there's no guarantee that the GC will run immediately, or even ever.

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                                          Pete OHanlon
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                                          BobJanova wrote:

                                          ... isn't true on a decent operating system (and Windows qualifies these days), because when the process ends all its resource ties will be killed by the OS.

                                          Actually, he was right in certain cases. The example I'm thinking of is an Oracle connection. If the connection isn't disposed, even if the underlying application dies, the connection may be left open. This was a real pain point for us on a project that we had to interface with. It took me and the client DBA ganging up on the project lead before he ensured the connections were closed. All of a sudden, 300-400 active connections were reduced to less than a handful.

                                          *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                          CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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