"Florida school board fires high school teacher who gave condom demonstration"

Chris Austin

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I guess this is one of those subjects where European morals and US morals barely get within shouting distance of each other I'd guess that you'd find people here in the US highly divided over the matter(50/50). And I suspect that those who are pro sex ed. would be equaly divided over this teachers methods, not necassarly the intent or content. What Would Uncle Steve Do?. -Michael Martin

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

That's about what I thought. I wonder how it'll change over the next (say) 10 years? Here's an intriguing thought experiment - get the parents to come in and take the classes on a sort of "jury service" basis (i.e. you have to do it if you're called). It would be interesting to see what range of approaches they brought to the problem, how the kids reacted, and how much they learnt. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

You mean chocolate and sex at the same time? :-D Man, I gotta try that sometime (and no, I don't mean the porno) :-O Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Kant

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I can't see how you'd do such a demonstration without at least the major props...and a banana or carrot is probably infinitely preferable to a more realistic alternative such as a dildo when dealing with kids. I am not complaining about banana or music, but the problem is Audience : Ninth-graders Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If he was playing blue movies to them, that would be an entirely different thing. I always wonder..Why blue color used to describe the porn movies? Is there any reason? Kant Sonork-100.28114 Don't :beer: and Drive.

Stan Shannon

Generally speaking, I do not have a problem with sex education as such. Frankly, I don't know how you could even teach high school level biology without mentioning the subject. If it gets more into cultural and moral issues I would want it to be on a strictly voluntary basis. I also believe, however, that such education, while harmless enough if done properly, is virtually worthless. We do not have an STD epidemic because kids aren't taught how to properly use condoms in school. We have an STD epidemic because of the liberalization of traditional social attitudes about sexual behavior within our culture. In any society which does not overtly restrict sexual behavior to very narrowly defined institutions (i.e. marriage) you can expect an ever increasing microbial assault on the general population. As much as the more liberally minded among us would like to believe, the answer lies not in a state's power to "educate" (which is going to rapidly devolve into political indoctrination). It lies ultimately in a culture's refusal to tolerate sexual promiscuity. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: OK, turn it round. Do you think schools should teach sex education (subject to parental approval) or not. No. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: If not, why no? Because i think it detracts from other things schools *should* be teaching: Children should be taught to read, because once they know that they can teach themselves just about anything else, should they desire. They should be taught to write, or better yet to express their thoughts and ideas in writing. They should be taught maths, because they are important in a good many activities and promote analytical skills. They should be taught history, so they can immitate what worked and avoid what didn't. They should be taught biology (during which sex, it's natural purpose, and it's default result should come up as a matter of course), geology, the political structure of theirs and other countries, so they can better understand the world they live in. Then let the kids go home, go outside, go learn the stuff in life that *can't* be taught. If parents want to enroll their kids in extra classes on contraceptive use, cooking, basketball, piano, etc.etc.etc... then more power to them. But these are secondary to what matters.

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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: You mean chocolate and sex at the same time? Of course! *Everything* is better when coated in chocolate... actually, everything is better deep-fried and coated in chocolate... but that could be painful and disfiguring in this case.

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Shog9 I see the way the salesmen stare into the sun I stood and watched them as they fell off one by one...

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ninth grade is about age 13-14 isn't it? Our sex education classes were in our 3rd year at secondary school - about age 13. Arguably, even that was a little late, as we "thought" we knew about it (and so were blase about the whole subject) by then. As for the blue movies...I've no idea. Maybe purple would've been a bit too obvious? :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Stan Shannon wrote: Generally speaking, I do not have a problem with sex education as such. Frankly, I don't know how you could even teach high school level biology without mentioning the subject. If it gets more into cultural and moral issues I would want it to be on a strictly voluntary basis. Glad to hear it :) Stan Shannon wrote: I also believe, however, that such education, while harmless enough if done properly, is virtually worthless. We do not have an STD epidemic because kids aren't taught how to properly use condoms in school. We have an STD epidemic because of the liberalization of traditional social attitudes about sexual behavior within our culture. As far as I'm concerned teaching kids about sex is about teaching them responsibility. The education system (or indeed their parents, ultimately) can't stop them screwing around if they're hell-bent on doing so, but we can teach them the implications of doing so (and be graphic about the potential consequences on their life) but at least there are likely to be fewer teenage pregnancies, abortions etc. Educating them doesn't mean agreeing with their lifestyle choices. As far as the "liberalization of traditional social attitudes about sexual behaviour"...I don't have any problem with that provided it's accompanied by an increased social awareness by adults of their responsibilities. Stan Shannon wrote: In any society which does not overtly restrict sexual behavior to very narrowly defined institutions (i.e. marriage) you can expect an ever increasing microbial assault on the general population. As much as the more liberally minded among us would like to believe, the answer lies not in a state's power to "educate" (which is going to rapidly devolve into political indoctrination). It lies ultimately in a culture's refusal to tolerate sexual promiscuity. I know what you mean. Personally, I feel sex without love is worthless and won't do it. To me sex, is an expression of love. :love: As someone who can't marry according to current UK laws (except another girl :rolleyes: ) my thoughts on the marriage issue are - I suspect - somewhat at odds with your own. That said, at least we can all talk about differences like these today :) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Hehe ;) What happens if all you've got in the house is mustard I wonder? (I've got savoury tastes). :rolleyes: I don't mind being coated in chocolate but I draw the line at being deep-fried as well. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

David Wulff wrote: learnt that condoms make great explosive devices too if you half blow one up with air Filled with water , they make also excellent projectiles :)

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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: What happens if all you've got in the house is mustard I wonder? Nasty rashes...

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I can see your point, but I'd opt for having the schools teach it unless the parents objected. At least that way, the kids would all receive the same information, and the kids of parents who ducked their responsibilities wouldn't be left ignorant. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Hah! You've tried it then? :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Miszou

Mike Gaskey wrote: The parents may be teaching abstinence and classroom instruction then runs against what the parents are teaching. This reminds me of a controversial anti-drug campaign that ran in my town a few years back. There were posters all over the place basically saying, "We know you're going to do drugs and we can't stop you, but we're here for you when it all goes wrong". The idea being that no matter how much you bang on kids about not doing drugs (or having sex) they're going to be doing it anyway, so you might as well get to them afterwards and save time and money on the front end...

David Wulff

Shog, get off your stool mate. :|

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Shog9 0

'k, so that was a bit much i guess. :-O I'm not trying too hard to be a prick about this, but it's a topic that i consider to be extremely important - should the day come where i'd need to be responsible for raising children, i'll most likely be far too busy to think these things through clearly, so i try to do it now. Anna has made quite a few good points in this thread, and for the most part i think it's been a good discussion - so i guess it just pissed me off to see a "ah, well, but Americans are a bunch of prudes, so this is no more than i'd expect" post. But it wasn't a reply to me, so i suppose i should have just walked away rather than getting mean about it. *tsk* *tsk*

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: What do you all think? I think conservative people should wake up and smell the coffee. -- Ignorant people upsets me.

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I sit next door to the canteen and the coffee's free! Might explain a lot lol. :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I sit next door to the canteen and the coffee's free! Shhhhh! :~ Someone might actually be so bold and call you a liberal! (As if it is a bad thing) Seriously though, if I had kids in school, I'd be pretty damn upset if they weren't taught to protect themselves during sex. The problem with conservative people is that they believe they control their kids in every way. The fact is that in many cases they don't. Kids are strong individuals, and as such they do what they want or what's expected of them (let's not forget peer pressure). Given a romantic setting, and all feels right, the (boy or girl) and (boy or girl)1 will have sex. It's as simple as that. And this is when they should remember what they've been taught, and bring out that condom. The message must be hammered into the kids - just like they hammer 1 + 1 = 2 into them. 1 Just trying to cover for all possible (human) sexual preferences. -- Ignorant people upsets me.