Team work

ColinDavies

What a stupid idea. The only advantage in team work is employment for layabout management types. If you want something done you are far better off paying a prima donna programmer then setting up the infrastructure for a team. So you ask, "Why then are some people good team players?" Because they can't cut it in the wild relying on themselves. So you ask, "Why then are some people good team leaders?" Because they can't do anything worthy themselves and need to inflate their egos by getting others to do what they can't. So you say. "But I enjoy being a member of a team" Well I say, work isn't the place to enjoy stuff apart from observing your creations, if you need company get some real friends. It makes me sick to see parents wanting their kids to participate in team sports so it will give them better skills for life. For a child to be part of a team is a way for the same parents to neglect their responsibilities bringing up the child, and cause the same child to be subject to peer pressure as they loose their individuality. Regardz Colin J Davies

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SimonS

Colin Davies wrote: So you say. "But I enjoy being a member of a team" Hell ya. Some ppl are such babies that they try and hide behind other's. God, I just wish that the first hiring question would be: "Do you have balls?" OK, OK, then there would be very few ppl at office today. :| And saving your rebuttal in an argument for a little chat with your buddy the manager afterwards doesn't count either! Having said that, I still think it is important to be able to work in a team, just not the whole time. Colin Davies wrote: It makes me sick to see parents wanting their kids to participate in team sports so it will give them better skills for life. Sure, mate. And the majority of the sports players can't code either. :mad: Seriously, it's probably a good plan to play team and solitary sports to get a good balance. Cheers, Simon "The day I swan around in expensive suits is the day I hope someone puts a bullet in my head.", Chris Carter. animation mechanics in SVG

Megan Forbes

SimonS wrote: "Do you have balls?" :laugh: Uh... :~

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Debs 0

Colin Davies wrote: It makes me sick to see parents wanting their kids to participate in team sports so it will give them better skills for life. For a child to be part of a team is a way for the same parents to neglect their responsibilities bringing up the child, and cause the same child to be subject to peer pressure as they loose their individuality. Some things are easier and better done as a team. It isn't the be all and end all. If my child wants to play team sports, then they can. I would say that playing a sport for FUN is the reason to do it, not for any jingoistic psychological reasons. Whether this be as a team or as an individual is irrelevant. Debbie

Paul Watson

LOL talk about trying to push everyones buttons. You bad, bad man Colin.

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

SimonS wrote: "Do you have balls?" I've a couple I don't want. Need a couple of spares? ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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ColinDavies

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've a couple I don't want. Need a couple of spares? LOL :-) I wanna say something in reply, but I will resist. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Hehe :) (If you haven't guessed, I'm trying to cheer myself up at the moment). Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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ColinDavies

Debs wrote: I would say that playing a sport for FUN is the reason to do it, not for any jingoistic psychological reasons. I won't disagree, I live in a geographical area where playing rugby is important for boys. For all the wrong reasons I believe. Maybe my perception is skewed somewhat. Regardz Colin J Davies

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I know what you mean. When I was at school I was forced to play rugby and hated it. It didn't suit my personality at all, so why should I be forced to do it? I got enough shit and abuse from some other kids for being different without having it from sadistic PE teachers as well. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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ColinDavies

Paul Watson wrote: LOL talk about trying to push everyones buttons. :-) See this what I'm talking about Paul, Windows programmers use handles not buttons !! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Doing it of your own choice and being forced to do it are two different things. There's several sports I enjoy, but the ones I was forced to do in school aren't among them. Funny, that. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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SimonS

Oops. That was a little sexist of me. :-O When I said balls, I meant it figuratively not anatomically. :rolleyes: Cheers, Simon "The day I swan around in expensive suits is the day I hope someone puts a bullet in my head.", Chris Carter. animation mechanics in SVG

Debs 0

I felt like that about most sports at school too. With my PE teachers, unless you were good at them, you were ritually humiliated. I've only learned to really enjoy sport and not bother whether I'm good at it or not in my more (ahem) mature life. It's changed a lot now, though, at schools. Far fewer PE lessons, for one, with the national curriculum. My kids don't even go outside when it's too wet or cold, whereas I remember having blue hands and chilblains :| Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: It didn't suit my personality at all, so why should I be forced to do it? I can understand why you wouldn't want to do something, but the same argument could easily be applied to, say, History...And, yes, I guess some of us may say, why do History either, but kids do need some structure to their education! Debbie

ColinDavies

SimonS wrote: I just wish that the first hiring question would be: "Do you have balls?" Agreed, Employers and recruiters should be looking for people to solve solutions, not to be easily manageable in the internal office politics. SimonS wrote: Having said that, I still think it is important to be able to work in a team, just not the whole time. Maybe, but there seems to be so much emphasis put on the ability to work in a team these days rather than to actually "DO stuff". A manager should be able to say to an employee , this is what I want to know if it is possible to do, report back to me in XDays what you can learn about this. Instead they have a full meeting about it with people who have no idea of what is needed making stupid suggestions. For a whole host of reasons management are the ones that have screwed this up. And any management that must manage sure using teams should admit that they have lost the plot. Regardz Colin J Davies

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Thanks Debbie :rose: Debs wrote: I felt like that about most sports at school too. With my PE teachers, unless you were good at them, you were ritually humiliated. I've only learned to really enjoy sport and not bother whether I'm good at it or not in my more (ahem) mature life. That happened to me too. I hated them for it, and still carry the scars. :( Debs wrote: It's changed a lot now, though, at schools. Far fewer PE lessons, for one, with the national curriculum. My kids don't even go outside when it's too wet or cold, whereas I remember having blue hands and chilblains Good. I remember being forced to play football in a snowstorm. The only reason they got us to do it was because they threatened to cane the whole class. It was sadism, and nothing else. :mad: If anyone made my children do that, I'd never forgive them. Debs wrote: I can understand why you wouldn't want to do something, but the same argument could easily be applied to, say, History...And, yes, I guess some of us may say, why do History either, but kids do need some structure to their education! True - they need to do something...but for me being forced into such a "male" sport was entirely wrong. If they knew anything about child psychology they'd have figured that out. Instead, ritualised bullying was the norm. There are plenty of other "gender neutral" sports I'd have been quite happy doing. Why this obsession with segregation? :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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SimonS

Colin Davies wrote: full meeting about it with people who have no idea of what is needed making stupid suggestions I hate that so much. I don't think people realise that being in a meeting, kind of implies that they are expected to make a contribution. Cheers, Simon "The day I swan around in expensive suits is the day I hope someone puts a bullet in my head.", Chris Carter. animation mechanics in SVG

Megan Forbes

SimonS wrote: I meant it figuratively not anatomically. I know - just couldn't resist the joke :)

A pack of geeks, pale and skinny, feeling a bit pumped and macho after a morning of strenuous mouse clicking and dragging, arriving en masse at the gym. They carefully reset the machines to the lowest settings, offer to spot for each other on the 5 lb dumbells, and rediscover the art of macrame while attempting to jump rope. -Roger Wright on my colleagues and I going to gym each day at lunch

Andreas Saurwein

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've a couple I don't want. Need a couple of spares? Keep them, dont give it away easily. In a couple of years you can nail them on a board and sell it as memorabilia on eBay :)

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Rohit Sinha

Colin Davies wrote: solve solutions Er, ( ;P ) I think if it's a solution, something has already been solved, eh? ;P Or do you mean the solutions are so messed up that they themselves are new problems and need to be solved too? ;P Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Rohit Sinha

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