How reporting deducts points....
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Wow. just wow! Does this mean if you just whine enough, it'll be set straight. Is this how this place works? Feel free to cancel my account in this case. I don't think I want to belong to that kind of community. "All animals are created equal" Addendum: "Some animals are more equal than others." Bye. bye, And take good care lest this place degenerates completely!
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:confused: I don't quite get what is you problem: 1. Andrew made a good suggestion to improve the site, which Chris will implement. 2. Andrew asked that points which were abusively taken from him be set back, which seems to me a perfect valid request. If you'd care about reputation, and I would halve yours just for fun, wouldn't you be glad that the CP Team reinstates it to its original level ?
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Wow. just wow! Does this mean if you just whine enough, it'll be set straight. Is this how this place works? Feel free to cancel my account in this case. I don't think I want to belong to that kind of community. "All animals are created equal" Addendum: "Some animals are more equal than others." Bye. bye, And take good care lest this place degenerates completely!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
I don't think that's what happened here. The suggestion is to only deduct the points once the post is actually removed for being spam. I personally feel that's a good suggestion, the uni-voter (or uni report voter) will lose his 'power' and the posts that really are spam will get enough votes to have the points deducted. I'm pretty sure Chris wouldn't just put points back unless it is actually the right thing to do. No matter how much anyone whines. I still don't get the whole obsession with the points but hey that's just me I guess.
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I don't think that's what happened here. The suggestion is to only deduct the points once the post is actually removed for being spam. I personally feel that's a good suggestion, the uni-voter (or uni report voter) will lose his 'power' and the posts that really are spam will get enough votes to have the points deducted. I'm pretty sure Chris wouldn't just put points back unless it is actually the right thing to do. No matter how much anyone whines. I still don't get the whole obsession with the points but hey that's just me I guess.
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
posts that really are spam will get enough votes to have the points deducted.
But if it is Spam, then the user is removed from the site. What is the point of deducting points from a user that no longer exists?
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Would it be possible to switch up how reporting deducts points? Right now, abusive reporters can cost ~100 points without much reprieve from the poster. Would it be possible to only apply the negative points AFTER the post has been deemed as spam/abusive? It would prevent individuals from doing far more damage than a single one-vote.
Andrew Rissing wrote:
Would it be possible to only apply the negative points AFTER the post has been deemed as spam/abusive?
At this point the user is removed. What exactly is the point of deducting points from an account that no longer exists? Also if they are a spammer then they couldn't give a shit if they lose reputation points.
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Andrew Rissing wrote:
Would it be possible to only apply the negative points AFTER the post has been deemed as spam/abusive?
At this point the user is removed. What exactly is the point of deducting points from an account that no longer exists? Also if they are a spammer then they couldn't give a shit if they lose reputation points.
For actual spammers you are right off course, but for those spam reports made to give a reputation hit to the poster this would be a good solution. This way spam reports for malicious reasons does not work anymore.
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Tom Deketelaere wrote:
posts that really are spam will get enough votes to have the points deducted.
But if it is Spam, then the user is removed from the site. What is the point of deducting points from a user that no longer exists?
Not really. A single message can be reported as spam without the user being reported.
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So, I got my answer to the prior question. But now, I have one more question. Regarding the 800+ points lost from people abusing the reporting feature, is there any way to overturn those?
Andrew Rissing wrote:
But now, I have one more question. Regarding the 800+ points lost from people abusing the reporting feature, is there any way to overturn those?
They'll be back the next time a full recalculation is done. This may be done concurrent with the change, or might wait until more changes are queued up: The recalc takes a while to complete and often results in "where did my points go?!?!?!11eleventyone1" posts from people who see their total when the calc is only partially complete and panic. :rolleyes:
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Andrew Rissing wrote:
Would it be possible to only apply the negative points AFTER the post has been deemed as spam/abusive?
At this point the user is removed. What exactly is the point of deducting points from an account that no longer exists? Also if they are a spammer then they couldn't give a shit if they lose reputation points.
When messages are marked as spam the message is removed, but not the user.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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When messages are marked as spam the message is removed, but not the user.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
As spammers are not users of the site, I am still failing to see the mileage in penalising them rep points.
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So, I got my answer to the prior question. But now, I have one more question. Regarding the 800+ points lost from people abusing the reporting feature, is there any way to overturn those?
The only way to do that is to undo all the reporting events. And no, I'm not going to do that. If certain high-level members want to abuse this site, and the members who use it, then the only option I have is to just open up the reporting system so it's clear who's being counter productive. But no - I'm not going to play Big Brother and decide what abuse report is right and wrong. Sorry, that's just impractical and unpalatable.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Andrew Rissing wrote:
But now, I have one more question. Regarding the 800+ points lost from people abusing the reporting feature, is there any way to overturn those?
They'll be back the next time a full recalculation is done. This may be done concurrent with the change, or might wait until more changes are queued up: The recalc takes a while to complete and often results in "where did my points go?!?!?!11eleventyone1" posts from people who see their total when the calc is only partially complete and panic. :rolleyes:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
This is the advantage I have of being ignorant... ... Of my points. I never know if I have gained or lost points.
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The only way to do that is to undo all the reporting events. And no, I'm not going to do that. If certain high-level members want to abuse this site, and the members who use it, then the only option I have is to just open up the reporting system so it's clear who's being counter productive. But no - I'm not going to play Big Brother and decide what abuse report is right and wrong. Sorry, that's just impractical and unpalatable.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Understandable. Thanks for responding to my request.
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Wow. just wow! Does this mean if you just whine enough, it'll be set straight. Is this how this place works? Feel free to cancel my account in this case. I don't think I want to belong to that kind of community. "All animals are created equal" Addendum: "Some animals are more equal than others." Bye. bye, And take good care lest this place degenerates completely!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
when an item is reported anywhere other than the forums there are no points lost until enough votes have accumulated to mark the item as spam (or abuse). Once marked, points are deducted, but single votes will not cause points to be deducted until the threshold has been met. Everywhere except in the forums. We've planned, and stated we were planning to make the forums consistent (and fairer) many times. So if you feel that's unfair and arbitrary, and that members should be able to continue abusing the forum system and marking messages as abuse or spam for no apparent reason (and I'm certainly not going to point fingers in who is or isn't doing this) then maybe this community isn't for you. If on the other hand you're complaining because I've removed the ability to knock hundreds of points off members for the spam votes then my answer is that I wouldn't have done this if the system wasn't being abused, and as soon as I've had a chance to make the reporting system consistent those penalty points will come right back.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP