Bill to repeal Bush's blank check for war

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Chris Losinger wrote: which he will ignore anyway :confused: Surely, he'll listen if the military funds are withdrawn? If enough congress people back off war, then that must mean they won't fund a war? Right? -- "It is amazing how f-ing crazy I really am."

Mike Gaskey

Chris Losinger wrote: (which he will ignore anyway). Not necessarily ignore, but veto. Reading info regarding the bill (thanks for the link) and you see it references, "no new evidence". There didn't need to be any. The fact that Saddam didn't follow through on pledges to destroy materials was enough. The House and Senate knew the last time around that they didn't stand a chance of being elected if they voted against action. So many of those who didn't favor it, took the gutless route and voted for it. Now that the next time they have to face the voters is two years away, those same gutless worms will attempt to force a change. Frankly I would prefer that they all volunteer to be human shields, and show the courage of their convictions - it would certainly clean up the gene pool here in the USA. It would be even better if they took some Hollywood folks with them, maybe Babs / Clooney / Penn and the rest would volunteer. As to “Americans want the President to lay a clear case for immediate military action in Iraq" - I am pleased as punch that mind reading is now a congressional skill. And if the country operated off of CNN / USA today polls virtually nothing would ever happen since apparently opinion changes as fast as MTV music videos. Then, regarding “Our nation’s immediate threat is still Osama bin Laden " he is a grease spot, or not - but it doesn't matter because unless each and every one of his spawn is put to death, then idiots like these two bill sponsors will always always be saying, "but what about . . " Regarding, “Saddam Hussein is a brutal untrustworthy tyrant, but he is being contained" who says he has been contained? Does anyone believe that material or money he controls is not being actively used against the US? The inspectors were to verify that Saddam and Iraq destroyed the weapons and materials - not find where they are hidden. That verification required cooperation, which has not been given. =====> nearing the end of the rant If these people were live at the time of the revolution, we would be speaking with a Brittish accent. Mike opinions are like a**holes, we all have one

Chris Losinger

i believe congress still has to vote on giving GWB the money to pay for the war. what he has now is the ability to start the (or re-start the 1991) war. once it starts, though, it will be very hard to refuse to fund since that could endanger US (and other) troops; and it would force a retreat of sorts (which wouldn't look good).

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Chris Losinger

Mike Gaskey wrote: Frankly I would prefer that they all volunteer to be human shields and frankly, i'd prefer it if everyone who supports this war was forced to grab a gun and start marching. put your mouth where your money's going, so to speak. Mike Gaskey wrote: If these people were live at the time of the revolution, we would be speaking with a Brittish accent. of course, that's total and utter nonsense and you (should) know it. if you don't, please go buy a copy of "My First American History Book" and come back when you've read the first two chapters. Bush's war on Iraq has nothing at all to do with overthrowing a goverment that is actively oppressing anyone outside his own country. the US is not a colony of Iraq. Iraq is not taxing the US. Iraq is not a threat to the US. Saddam is not King George or Hitler or whoever else Rush is comparing him to today. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. nothing to do with any of the other bombings of US targets and nothing to do with the slumping American economy. Mike Gaskey wrote: who says he has been contained? has he invaded anyone lately? Mike Gaskey wrote: Does anyone believe that material or money he controls is not being actively used against the US? most everyone in the world, i would guess. when was the last time Iraq attacked the US? (not counting sniping at our planes flying over his country).

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Rohit Sinha

Chris Losinger wrote: and frankly, i'd prefer it if everyone who supports this war was forced to grab a gun and start marching. put your mouth where your money's going, so to speak. Hear, hear!
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Michael P Butler

Chris Losinger wrote: i'd prefer it if everyone who supports this war was forced to grab a gun and start marching. put your mouth where your money's going, so to speak. I'd gladly pick up a gun and go and fight... if the cause was just. Saddam needs sorting out, I'm just not sure we are fighting for the right reasons this time. Personally I see more threat from Pakistan, Iran and North Korea at the moment. If we are going in to Iraq to free the oppressed people and bring democracy, then we'd really need to do the same to Saudia Arabia and Kuwait too. If we are going in because of violations of UN Resolutions, we should really stop by Israel on the way. Of course I'm an idealist, I'd like to see democracy brought to every country in the world and religion taken out of all government systems... but the only way to do that is using a big stick which would make me as bad as they are. Michael The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.

ColinDavies

Michael P Butler wrote: but the only way to do that is using a big stick which would make me as bad as they are. True, but what if the stick was the shape of a shephards crook ? Regardz Colin J Davies

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Brad Jennings

Chris Losinger wrote: and frankly, i'd prefer it if everyone who supports this war was forced to grab a gun and start marching. put your mouth where your money's going, so to speak. I'll gladly take up arms against any country that threatens my country's freedom. From what I've seen, Iraq isn't threatening the US, but rather is posing problems that should be taken care of by the UN instead. I'll never support a US war with Iraq unless I see some solid evidence. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

peterchen

Mike Gaskey wrote: Does anyone believe that material or money he controls is not being actively used against the US? Well, now you've given him every possible reason.

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Lost User

Michael P Butler wrote: Personally I see more threat from Pakistan, Iran and North Korea at the moment. And vice versa ;)