Have u guys seen this

Bart

and it was presented to the UN as a case for war.....Get real! bart

Bart

I really hope u were joking! If u weren't then I really feel sorry for u. bart

Felix Gartsman

The whole UN show was PR and isn't very important. The real reason is WMD/ME balance/oil/terror and not that Iraq spies after inspectors. Some PR glitch doesn't matter to the issue.

Felix Gartsman

Bart wrote: If u weren't then I really feel sorry for u. Well, you should. I'm the one who got real Iraqi scud 300m from my home in 1991. I'm the one who wear gas mask in case the french are wrong and Iraq does have VX. I'm the one who is being targeted by suicide bombers financed by Saddam. But if some PR glitch makes this non-important, then go ahead - feel sorry for me.

KaRl

How would Israel retaliate to a chemical attack? I've heard in 1991 the US refused to give the air identification codes to avoid a potential nuclear attack on Iraq.

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Felix Gartsman

KaЯl wrote: How would Israel retaliate to a chemical attack? Depends how many will die, as always. If in the hundreds or more, you can expect fireworks... But I think US will be the one to retaliate, to relax Israel from over-response. KaЯl wrote: I've heard in 1991 the US refused to give the air identification codes to avoid a potential nuclear attack on Iraq. Israel doesn't need air codes, missiles are sufficient too. According to some press, in 1991 Israel prepared Jericho missiles to press US to do more. Don't expect nukes in any case, precise attack on Iraqi river dan can be more destructive than any nuke.

KaRl

Felix Gartsman wrote: Don't expect nukes in any case, precise attack on Iraqi river dan can be more destructive than any nuke. Yep, I've also read this, US had clearly warned Bagdad they would wipe out the dam in case of use of chemical weapons. A posteriori, we can say the warning was efficient.

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David Wulff

Erm, I get an article about a leaked report about Gordon Brown and not joining the Euro... am I missing something? :~

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ColinDavies

The link has shifted. It was basically that Tony Blairs speech was a plagarized version of a students essay. With many pages taken straight from it. Sorry can't remember the details. Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

Bart

Dossier author 'flattered' by plagiarism By Dominic Evans LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Tony Blair has been accused of playing the same propaganda games as Saddam Hussein after chunks of an "intelligence" dossier on Iraq turned out to have been plagiarised from academic papers. The dossier, published this week on a government website, said Iraq had mounted a massive campaign to deceive and intimidate United Nations inspectors hunting for banned weapons. The latest in a series of documents focusing on the alleged threat from Saddam and rallying support for a possible U.S.-led war, it was praised by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday. It claimed to draw upon "a number of sources, including intelligence material". But on Friday, red-faced officials admitted whole swathes were lifted word for word -- grammatical slips and all -- from a student thesis. Outraged politicians jumped on the revelation to accuse Blair of misleading the public and said it cast doubt on the credibility of his whole case against Saddam. "This is the sort of thing that Saddam Hussein himself issues," fumed opposition Liberal Democrat Jenny Tonge. One of Blair's former junior defence ministers, Peter Kilfoyle, said he was shocked that the government was trying to win over Britons on such "thin evidence". STUDENT AUTHOR SURPRISED Sections in the dossier on Saddam's security apparatus drew heavily on a 2002 article written by Ibrahim al-Marashi, a 29-year-old U.S. postgraduate student of Iraqi descent who works at California's Monterey Institute of International Studies. His major sources were captured Iraqi intelligence documents from prior to 1991 that are part of Harvard's Iraq Research and Documentation Project, as well as books and public information. Marashi, who has never been to Iraq, told Reuters he was surprised and flattered that his research ended up in a British government dossier -- but could have provided the government with updated information if anyone had asked. "The fact that they would have to turn to something in the open media reflects that maybe there is a deficiency in the intelligence gathering," he said. "My primary worry at the moment is that it might reflect poorly on Powell's presentation by the very fact that he referred to that document." Glen Rangwala, an Iraq specialist at Cambridge University who analysed the Downing Street dossier, told Reuters 11 of its 19 pages were "taken wholesale from academic pape

Marc Clifton

Can you email me the text for this post? It's become something about stem cell research now, and I take it that wasn't the subject. Oops. Never mind! Just saw where you posted the full text! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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