Wrong Message To the Muslim World

Michael A Barnhart

Shehzad Ansari wrote: Indian muslims are also worried in US. Why do you elect to just say "Indian Muslims". Do you expect the US authorities to ignore a report that someone looked like a suspect? Not that it is good that innocent people are held but it is a fact of life. It is not based on him being Indian or Muslim. When I was younger a fight happened in a city that I was driving by. My car looked like one seen with people leaving the scene and my jacket was typical of the style worn. I was held for awhile until it was shown where I can come from could be clearly established. Authorities were looking for someone and I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was nothing against me. Now a few questions? It would be totally against US law for the FBI to place this equipment, unless their aid had been requested by the government in question. So assume they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think the US citizens would knowingly allow this? Not to be offensive but I do feel that to much of your information is coming for propaganda source. Now I do not expect that none of your information comes from propaganda, that happens through out the world and is back to a fact of life. We must try to sort out what is propaganda and what is not. "I will find a new sig someday."

Rohit Sinha

Imran Farooqui wrote: You are absolutely wrong, maybe unaware. Maybe, I am not sure. I still think the FBI operates inside the US only, and if it does so, it can only do it with the permission of the local authorities. I could be wrong though, of course. Imran Farooqui wrote: because i am busy in Cricket Cool! :) Imran Farooqui wrote: but still have a look here. Did you read the whole article? Till the end? If you haven't, do it now. You will find that the Pakistani officials were also involved and had their own representation. How else do you think it would be possible? Imran Farooqui wrote: Infact they arrived in India without invitation of West Bengal govt Clear misrepresentation of facts on your part. Again you didn't read the whole article. The FBI guys did fly in to Kolkata, but the Chief Minister of West Bengal said he would not take their help, because it is unconstitutional. As far as the invitation part goes, do you always go somewhere because the government invites you? ;P
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Rohit Sinha

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Rohit Sinha

Anonymous wrote: Rubbish statement of the century I am glad I could make the list. I wasn't even trying, let me assure you. :) Perhaps you could come out of momma's lap now and post after you log in, eh? ;P
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Rohit Sinha

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Rohit Sinha

Shehzad Ansari wrote: Indian muslims are also worried in US. I've read the news of many incidents like these[^] in past 6 months. Bah, what rubbish! Guys like you try to find some sort of angle to everything. Did you read the article before you posted the link? I'm sure you didn't. Or maybe you did, but were counting on the fact that no one else would. From the article: "A security screener at London's Heathrow Airport thought the passenger resembled a man on a "no-fly" list, " Clearly, he had to be questioned, Indian, American, Pakistani, whatever his nationality. If he is suspect, they need to talk to him. Also from the article: "Adeel, whose nationality was not immediately released, was traveling with a woman, the airline said. He was interviewed and released about two hours after being taken into custody." Nowhere does the article say the man was an Indian, only that he was travelling on an Air India plane. He may have been an Indian, or may not have been an Indian. The article doesn't tell you.
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Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
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The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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Mike Gaskey

Fazlul Kabir wrote: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What's next? Require muslims to wear crescent patches? Reminds me of Jews wearing star of David patches in Nazi Germany Should the US start requiring Muslims to wear crescent patches it would be much different than this analogy implies. In the case of the Jews in Germany it was a matter of identifying cattle to be slaughtered. In the case of the USA it would be to identify those who support the slaughter of innocents, simply because they do not believe or how have elected leaders that have somehow offended a god or prophet. Big differnce. Mike

Lost User

Score: 2.1 (5 votes). Ooooohhhhh! The pro-WTC attack element has spoken. X| X| Mike Mullikin :beer:

I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

Lost User

Mike Gaskey wrote: I have no more sympathy for him than he would for some newspaper reporter with a slit throat in Pakistan. And you are applying the same prejudice to someone you don't know because he is muslim. Muslims were murdered at the WTC too, and their families mourn as much as any others. The tigress is here :-D

KaRl

I suppose some judged it was a bad argument. It's far from justifying a terrorist act! I understand US have to enforce the security rules. However, IMO if the prize to pay is sacrificing the principles of Justice, of Freedom a democracy may have, it's also a victory for the terrorists.

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Lost User

I just thought it was in poor taste for someone to start a thread with a title "Wrong Message To the Muslim World" without even acknowledging the root of the problem. Mike Mullikin :beer:

I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

Mike Gaskey

Trollslayer wrote: And you are applying the same prejudice to someone you don't know because he is muslim. Yes. Since 9-11, for me, basic norms have changed. I immediately mistrust a Muslim because he or she is a Muslim. If I come to know more about the individual and find they do not support fanaticism then my opinion may change. Prior to 9-11 someone's religion, nationality, color, political bent, height or weight didn't matter to me. Since 9-11, I have attempted to read the Quran plus a number of derivitive/interpretative analytical works. That reading, Muslim led attacks here and abroad prior to 9-11, and, the event itself tell me that it is sheer stupidity to not be cautious. Trollslayer wrote: Muslims were murdered at the WTC too, and their families mourn as much as any others. and your point is? Mike

Michael A Barnhart

You are missing some critical words here, "request" not permission. I do not know if it is really the FBI or some other agency. But with out question it is due to the request of the government. Not the FBI out of control as you imply. "I will find a new sig someday."

Brad Jennings

I wasn't arguing about what the government did to other countries but rather that the individual person should respect another country's rules. There's a lot of reasons that the US requires registration, one of the reasons being that we want to protect ourselves from terrorist attacks. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

Michael P Butler

I guess my vote of 5 didn't do much good. When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low. I really think the voting should be scrapped - especially in the soapbox. Michael Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman. All the world's waiting for you, and the power you possess. In your satin tights, Fighting for your rights And the old Red, White and Blue.

Lost User

I don't have a problem with the votes (low or high) or the lack of comments. I just thought I'd take my own shot at their opinions. :-D Mike Mullikin :beer:

I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

Marc Clifton

Isn't it wierd how a "1" message rating is very often accompanied by a "5" message rating shortly there-after? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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KaRl

Michael P Butler wrote: When will people learn that just because you don't agree doesn't mean you should vote a message low :confused: Why not?

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jan larsen

Your'e joking right?... There is NO big difference, the star of david patches were meant to just identify the jews, there were similar patches for eg. homosexuals, and the majority of the German people didn't know about the genocide. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

Mike Gaskey

jan larsen wrote: Your'e joking right?... I was every bit as serious as Jörgen Sigvardsson. For some reason the rest of the world seems to believe that it is okay for the US to be attacked by Muslim fanatics and that the cure is for us to simply understand the reasons why, then bend over for more. When I encounter sarcasm, I reply in kind. Mike