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  • C Chris Losinger

    zenboy wrote: Anybody here think they have all the info that our President has. I sure as hell don't and the general public and news media are absolute idiots. ( sorry, but its true ) Knowing what I know, and the fact that the President has thousands of times more info than I could even think of. You better believe that I trust his decisions. I don't always agree with them, but I stand by them. that's called blind faith; but i am a skeptic. GWB has twisted enough truths, done enough 180deg spins on issues and policies in the two years he's been in charge, that i simply don't believe what he says. even without my dislike of him personally, war is a serious matter (as you know). it deserves to be analyzed, criticised and held as a last resort. maybe he does have enough evidence to justify this war. but, it's not my responsibility to believe him without proof; it's his responsibility to convince me and the rest of the country, if he wants our support. if he doesn't want it, or thinks he can get by without it, then fine, he has the authority to do what he wants. all i can do to make my voice heard is to vote !R in 11/04. zenboy wrote: They can't prove it 'cause they are mobile' and our satellites follow paths, not vehicles. "Chinese Embassy", "Aspirin Factory". sniping aside... so we have the info, but we won't share it. and when people don't believe Powell's slide show then they are what? ignorant, stupid, anti-american? again, i'm a skeptic - if you want me to believe something, you have to give me credible evidence. otherwise i'm gonna have to get my info wherever i can. zenboy wrote: You like liberty and freedom don't you indeed i do. and i consider GWB and Ashcroft to be threats to both. zenboy wrote: You wouldn't believe what the US Nave has to do to keep them from coming over. It's a constant threat. as you describe it, it doesn't sound much like a threat. it sounds more like rufugees in expensive boats. zenboy wrote: And all I see are people with no f**king clue bitching about it. Like I said, "Before you bitch about it learn something." no offense, but if you have all the answers, please share them, so all of us ignorant folk can be as enlightened as you are. otherwise we're going to make our decisions based on the info we do have - and you're gonna have to live with the prospect that we see things based on what we

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    Remember when the police told the media that they had lied to them about the Sniper's White Van cause the media would have given away info about the case that the police needed. Its like that, yes we should be entitled to info, but the media gives out confidential info that is needed to be kept private temp for a reason. They also embelish and make up stories to sell more papers, And if you're basing your info on the news media like every other moron than I'm not saying another freakin' word. Because I'm wasting my time. BTW, if I said anything you'd not only 'not' believe me, but you probably not look for solid evidence for justification, just cry about oil cause your gas prices would go up. Hey look at Belgium. Gas is essentially four dollars a gallon, most people ride bicycles, and very few of them are overweight. unlike most americans

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      Remember when the police told the media that they had lied to them about the Sniper's White Van cause the media would have given away info about the case that the police needed. Its like that, yes we should be entitled to info, but the media gives out confidential info that is needed to be kept private temp for a reason. They also embelish and make up stories to sell more papers, And if you're basing your info on the news media like every other moron than I'm not saying another freakin' word. Because I'm wasting my time.

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      Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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      Maybe you are, but getting hysterical about it doesn't help. For the record, the US has screwed up its PR over this big time. Most of the European population is now so cynical about your government's motives you wouldn't believe it. GWB has done a huge amount of damage to your image overseas, my friend. Personally, I think it is time Saddam got stamped on - but the US has gone about it entirely the wrong way. At the end of the day disunity among the Western Nations is exactly what the terrorists and their ilk want. Think about it. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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        Kant wrote: War is the last resort. agreed but this was in the story and an excellent point: "...And his counterpart in the House of Representatives, Duncan Hunter, said that Germany's "tears of gladness at the sacrifice Americans have made for their freedom have dried very quickly." He is speaking about how Americans DIED for Germans in WWII:wtf: Later,
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        He's a complete idiot then. Why on earth does he think Germany is so anti war in the first place??? What a moron. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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        • K Kant

          Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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          • K Kant

            Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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            And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine Oh goody. So we can eat and drink more of the American crap. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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            • K Kant

              Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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              Personally, I think we should boot MacDonalds out in retaliation. ;) Even better - export vast quantities of Scampi Vindaloo[^] and Fosters[^] to Texas and mount a propaganda campaign to convince the average all-American white boy that not eating/drinking the stuff is unAmerican... ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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              • N Nish Nishant

                What makes it bad for me is that I had to choose a time when you really have a nut for a pres to come to the USA :-( I wish I had come here when Billy was here, he was a smarat funy guy despsite that stuff with the intern; and anyone who's seen her can't reallt blame him for that either :-) Nish

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                Nishant S wrote: What makes it bad for me . . if you need the price of a ticket back, let me know. Mike

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                • K Kant

                  Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                  Andreas Saurwein
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                  Kant wrote: withdrawal of some US troops from Germany About time. Kant wrote: reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine They are way overrated. Kant wrote: reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France A hooray for more Air-Safety.

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                  • K Kant

                    Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                    Michael A Barnhart
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                    Is this not just a natural human response? If I do not like the way store X treats me (or the product), I will at least go to store Y and compare. Arm twisting is when a hoodlum informs me that if I do not buy from store X he breaks my legs. "I will find a new sig someday."

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                      Nishant S wrote: What makes it bad for me . . if you need the price of a ticket back, let me know. Mike

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                      Mike Gaskey wrote: if you need the price of a ticket back, let me know. I will. I have planned an earlier return than I had first decided. Because I simply find it hard to adjust to the geographic and other changes. My home town was heaven :-( and I miss it a loooottttt. Everyday I think of home and am depressed for a while. EMail me your contact info, please. This is just the sort of help I appreciate from people. Thanks :-) I think it should be around 800-900 for a one-way ticket to Trivandrum. Nish

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                      • K Kant

                        Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                        Kant wrote: withdrawal of some US troops from Germany These are not serving any military purpose for the USA. The only purpose for stationing in Germany is for the economic benefits to Germany. That stationing no longer makes sense. These units would serve our purposes better stationed in Poland, the DMZ in Korea or on either of our northern or southern borders. Kant wrote: reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France It is preferable that they buy from Boeing. Kant wrote: And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. the free market at work. Kant wrote: Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. ain't it great! Good article, thanks for the link. Mike

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                          Mike Gaskey wrote: if you need the price of a ticket back, let me know. I will. I have planned an earlier return than I had first decided. Because I simply find it hard to adjust to the geographic and other changes. My home town was heaven :-( and I miss it a loooottttt. Everyday I think of home and am depressed for a while. EMail me your contact info, please. This is just the sort of help I appreciate from people. Thanks :-) I think it should be around 800-900 for a one-way ticket to Trivandrum. Nish

                          Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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                          Paul Watson
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                          I hope you are calling his horrible bluff and not being serious.

                          Paul Watson
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                          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't know much about Artificial Intelligence, but I've seen a lot of Natural Stupidity in the corporate world...

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                            Personally, I think we should boot MacDonalds out in retaliation. ;) Even better - export vast quantities of Scampi Vindaloo[^] and Fosters[^] to Texas and mount a propaganda campaign to convince the average all-American white boy that not eating/drinking the stuff is unAmerican... ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                            Michael A Barnhart
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                            Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Even better - export vast quantities of Scampi Vindaloo[^] and Fosters[^] to Texas So you want a bunch of drunk Texans in charge??:rolleyes: "I will find a new sig someday."

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                            • K Kant

                              Anger with the French and German stand has led some US congressmen to call for a trade boycott of French products and the withdrawal of some US troops from Germany. And some consumers are already reducing their purchases of French cheese and wine. ... Meanwhile, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, J Dennis Hastert, has asked Congress to consider banning French exports of wine and bottled water on health grounds. ... And the president of the French-American Chamber of Commerce, Boris Marchand-Tonnel, warned that US airlines that were getting government support would be reluctant to buy Airbus commercial jets from France. Ah! Good old American arm-twisting tactics are back.. :| Story...[^] Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                              Good Article. It's amazing how we still behave like children on a playground long after we've supposedly matured and gained the wisdom and intellect of passing years. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                Mike Gaskey wrote: if you need the price of a ticket back, let me know. I will. I have planned an earlier return than I had first decided. Because I simply find it hard to adjust to the geographic and other changes. My home town was heaven :-( and I miss it a loooottttt. Everyday I think of home and am depressed for a while. EMail me your contact info, please. This is just the sort of help I appreciate from people. Thanks :-) I think it should be around 800-900 for a one-way ticket to Trivandrum. Nish

                                Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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                                Nice play, Nish :) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                  I hope you are calling his horrible bluff and not being serious.

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                                  Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't know much about Artificial Intelligence, but I've seen a lot of Natural Stupidity in the corporate world...

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                                  Paul Watson wrote: I hope you are calling his horrible bluff and not being serious. Paul, after 2 1/2 months in the USA, do you think I'd even half-hope for an American stranger to give me 800 bucks for free :-) Nish

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                                    Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Even better - export vast quantities of Scampi Vindaloo[^] and Fosters[^] to Texas So you want a bunch of drunk Texans in charge??:rolleyes: "I will find a new sig someday."

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                                    Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                    Michael A. Barnhart wrote: So you want a bunch of drunk Texans in charge?? I thought the US already had a bunch of...oh wait a minute, I'm mixing up power hungry with drunk ;) Having said that, it worked for the UK in Eat the Rich[^]. Only the Comic Strip could come up with a Home Secretary called Nosher Suggs. :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                                      Paul Watson wrote: I hope you are calling his horrible bluff and not being serious. Paul, after 2 1/2 months in the USA, do you think I'd even half-hope for an American stranger to give me 800 bucks for free :-) Nish

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                                      Nishant S wrote: Paul, after 2 1/2 months in the USA, do you think I'd even half-hope for an American stranger to give me 800 bucks for free I was just checking, can't have a proud, dignified and intelligent Indian man crumble in such a culturless void. Mike's reply was horrible, very nasty of him IMO and good to see you deflating it so easily :) Would you accept $800 from a South African? lol ;)

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                                      Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't know much about Artificial Intelligence, but I've seen a lot of Natural Stupidity in the corporate world...

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                                        Nice play, Nish :) BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                                        brianwelsch wrote: Nice play, Nish Thanks Brian. I thought Mike's post had nastiness intended and thought I'd give it to him :-) Nish

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                                          Nishant S wrote: Paul, after 2 1/2 months in the USA, do you think I'd even half-hope for an American stranger to give me 800 bucks for free I was just checking, can't have a proud, dignified and intelligent Indian man crumble in such a culturless void. Mike's reply was horrible, very nasty of him IMO and good to see you deflating it so easily :) Would you accept $800 from a South African? lol ;)

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                                          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't know much about Artificial Intelligence, but I've seen a lot of Natural Stupidity in the corporate world...

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                                          Nish Nishant
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                                          Paul Watson wrote: Mike's reply was horrible, very nasty of him IMO Yup, I could see it's nasty intentions :-) Oh well! Some people are very touchy about anything anyone says about their country. As I've always said in the past, people should stop thinking small as in countries, and start thinking big as in planets. Like we are all homo sapiens from earth and we will go out and explore and find new habitable planets etc... That should be the sorta pattern people's minds should fall into, rather than all this small-talk about countries and races. Nish

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