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  • J JoeSox

    BTW, I made up the George Bush guy, but I/he didn't give you a 1. I don't know who did. I was originally going to reply "I think this guy gave you a one" with a Link( I refuse to say clickety, must be some British term:-D) to user named George Bush which I thought I saw a profile for him a couple weeks back but there wasn't any profiles. So I decided to create my own GW. But I thought it would be funny, and I needed some material for what to say. I mainly made it because no one else had made him. PS. Before others get pissed off/flame me, lighten up, every class needs a clown;P Come on, that picture of him, in his profile, you laughed I know you did. Later,
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    JoeSox wrote: Come on, that picture of him, in his profile, you laughed I know you did. :-O

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    • D David Wulff

      ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

      David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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      Megan Forbes
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      David Wulff wrote: Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? Nice pun - was it intended? :)

      Throw in a bit of S&M or eye-ball sucking**-Paul Watson on the merits of swearing, sex and obscenities in CP posts** ...they assumed that reasonably intelligent adults would know enough to leave the building if it was burning. Those who did not were, presumably, expendable, and there was less paperwork involved than trying to fire them**-Roger Wright on fire drills at work**

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      • D David Wulff

        ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

        David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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        James T Johnson
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        I think part of the problem is how it is presented. We can easily say that certain posts either belong on CP or they don't, but it doesn't make much sense to say that your post belongs more than that post in another thread. So rather than giving a 1-5 rating there should be rather specific messages to put across: "Appropriate", "Spam", "Flamebait/Trolling", "Wrong Forum", "Repost", etc... Ideally instead of having an average rating shown, you would see a count for how many votes have been placed for each category. Another addition would be to restrict voting to gold/platinum members in the lounge/soapbox but unrestricted elsewhere. There are still some opportunities for downvoting, but generally it would be done because of differing opinions. For instance, I [edit]took it now know[/edit] that Joe posted as GWB to be funny, but I (and others) took it as trolling. I did enjoy your links from that thread though :-D Just some thoughts :) James "It is self repeating, of unknown pattern" Data - Star Trek: The Next Generation

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        • D David Wulff

          ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

          David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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          KaRl
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          For myself I think it's a good sign. I'm happilly surprized to see so many people interested in the political affairs, which are after all the affairs about the "life of the city". When more and more people stop to vote, I like to see some are still interested in the ideas debates. About the votes I also regret their binary side (1-5), but does it really matter? Passion pushes to act impulsively.

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          • D David Wulff

            ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

            David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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            Michael A Barnhart
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            I agree with you the voting system in these areas is not usable to decide on it's value. David Wulff wrote: Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young Just wait, you can look forward to being cynical and old quicker than you wish. David Wulff wrote: it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. I could take this several ways. Only hear the side you want (bad) or only hear what ahs been well stated (for your opinion and against.) (good) David Wulff wrote: Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? yes was the pun intentional? Now I am a citizen of the United States. but FYI - There are plenty around me however that "the War of the Rebellion" is a very real current issue. "I will find a new sig someday."

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            • M Megan Forbes

              David Wulff wrote: Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? Nice pun - was it intended? :)

              Throw in a bit of S&M or eye-ball sucking**-Paul Watson on the merits of swearing, sex and obscenities in CP posts** ...they assumed that reasonably intelligent adults would know enough to leave the building if it was burning. Those who did not were, presumably, expendable, and there was less paperwork involved than trying to fire them**-Roger Wright on fire drills at work**

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              David Wulff
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              If we are thinking of the same thing, I noticed it after I posted it so it wasn't really intended, so yes and no. ;P

              David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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              • B Brian Olej

                David Wulff wrote: Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics. :laugh: You are right though, it seems just about the only posts that are ever rated are ones with political views. "We will thrive in the new environment, leaping across space and time, everywhere and nowhere, like air or radiation, redundant, self-replicating, and always evolving." -unspecified individual

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                Giles
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                I don't think I've ever voted someone a 1. When I do vote, its typically a 5, as I've thought, other people should read this was well, becuase its a good point etc. Quote from a clever bloke : "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein

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                • D David Wulff

                  ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

                  David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                  Shog9 0
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                  I donno... i still prefer rampant vote abuse to scores of "me-too" posts, or inane "nu-uh! 'taint so! ur wrong!" replies.    except those made by me It's not like downvoted posts disappear or anything.

                  shog nine

                  Ever since i heard the voice i thought i had no choice...

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                  • J JoeSox

                    BTW, I made up the George Bush guy, but I/he didn't give you a 1. I don't know who did. I was originally going to reply "I think this guy gave you a one" with a Link( I refuse to say clickety, must be some British term:-D) to user named George Bush which I thought I saw a profile for him a couple weeks back but there wasn't any profiles. So I decided to create my own GW. But I thought it would be funny, and I needed some material for what to say. I mainly made it because no one else had made him. PS. Before others get pissed off/flame me, lighten up, every class needs a clown;P Come on, that picture of him, in his profile, you laughed I know you did. Later,
                    JoeSox
                    www.joeswammi.com Untitled[^]

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                    JoeSox wrote: you laughed I know you did i did. :) -c

                    Be very, very careful what you put into that head, because you will never, ever get it out. --Thomas Cardinal Wolsey

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                    • D David Wulff

                      ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

                      David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                      Tim Smith
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                      *shrug* If someone says something really intelligent, I vote it up. If someone says something really stupid, I vote it down. If I remember correctly, that is what the voting system is for. If not, then Chris should just remove 1-3 and only leave 4 and 5. Thus, only message can be voted up. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                      • J JoeSox

                        BTW, I made up the George Bush guy, but I/he didn't give you a 1. I don't know who did. I was originally going to reply "I think this guy gave you a one" with a Link( I refuse to say clickety, must be some British term:-D) to user named George Bush which I thought I saw a profile for him a couple weeks back but there wasn't any profiles. So I decided to create my own GW. But I thought it would be funny, and I needed some material for what to say. I mainly made it because no one else had made him. PS. Before others get pissed off/flame me, lighten up, every class needs a clown;P Come on, that picture of him, in his profile, you laughed I know you did. Later,
                        JoeSox
                        www.joeswammi.com Untitled[^]

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                        Tim Smith
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                        LOL, "God" is my account. I reserved that once as a joke and didn't use it. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                        • D David Wulff

                          ...how political the message voting system has become of late. It is not at all uncommon now to see a two person conversation about pretty much any controversial topic being voted 1-5-1-5-1-5-1-5... Some people have started using the voting to simply downgrade those who have differing views, rather than rating for the quality of the content. Even jokes made in good humour about characters like Bush or current events like Iraq (and I saw a couple when the SuperBowl was being discussed a few weeks ago too) are being voted in this way. It's like a character slurring match at a political debate. "I like you better than you so nuuuuur (sticks tongue out)". Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. When I visit the handful of forums here I do pretty much every afternoon I don’t have the time, the means, nor the sheer will power to read through every message, so when it started out the voting ideas was great – I could just skim read the first couple of messages in a topic and then jump to all the good ones. Admittedly I would even read all the poor ones too if the topic interested me. Now it is very hard to choose when some topics have eighty percent of their messages coloured like a sunburnt zebra. Maybe I am just being a contemptuous young so and so (and I don't doubt that for a minute ;)), but I'm turning all my filters up to "very high" and getting shot of the whole idea; it's worthless when you don’t know which votes to trust. Q: What's grey and blue and read all over? A: A CodeProject discussion on politics.

                          David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                          Domenic Denicola
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                          David Wulff wrote: Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. I think it worthy to point out that most fourteen year olds who visit a programming site are genuinely intelligent and mature people, such as myself and at least David Stone (who's now actually 16, I believe). Rather, I would imagine the immature behavior more likely comes from idiots of any age, who have never actually developed a sense of maturity and never will.

                          -Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”

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                            David Wulff wrote: Now I know CodeProject has some fourteen years old members who could be excused for behaving so childishly, but there aren’t that many of them and most of them are more interested in learning programming, interacting with other cultures and watching the giant social ant farm that is the Lounge and SoapBox. I could be fooled into thinking they were voting like this were it not for the fact most fourteen year olds are more interested in that Pam and Tommy video than world leaders and events. I think it worthy to point out that most fourteen year olds who visit a programming site are genuinely intelligent and mature people, such as myself and at least David Stone (who's now actually 16, I believe). Rather, I would imagine the immature behavior more likely comes from idiots of any age, who have never actually developed a sense of maturity and never will.

                            -Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”

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                            David Wulff
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                            Oh I know, that was what I was supposed to be saying. :~

                            David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                            • T Tim Smith

                              *shrug* If someone says something really intelligent, I vote it up. If someone says something really stupid, I vote it down. If I remember correctly, that is what the voting system is for. If not, then Chris should just remove 1-3 and only leave 4 and 5. Thus, only message can be voted up. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                              Tim Smith wrote: If someone says something really intelligent, I vote it up. If someone says something really stupid, I vote it down. If I remember correctly, that is what the voting system is for. Yes I agree with you, totally, but lately some people haven't been voting based not on the quality of a message's content but on whether or not they agree with it. Considering CodeProject is an international site with members of just about every viewpoint possible, I don't think it is a Good Thing™ that people are making such obvious assertions of the holier than thou attitude. Some people could be genuinely offended by that, aside from it making the message colouring essentially useless to anybody but the voters themselves.

                              David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                                LOL, "God" is my account. I reserved that once as a joke and didn't use it. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                JoeSox
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                                Tim Smith wrote: "God" is my account. :-D post the link I tried browsing but I only got to "Page 3 of 19" for the search results ":eek: Later,
                                JoeSox
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                                • D David Wulff

                                  Tim Smith wrote: If someone says something really intelligent, I vote it up. If someone says something really stupid, I vote it down. If I remember correctly, that is what the voting system is for. Yes I agree with you, totally, but lately some people haven't been voting based not on the quality of a message's content but on whether or not they agree with it. Considering CodeProject is an international site with members of just about every viewpoint possible, I don't think it is a Good Thing™ that people are making such obvious assertions of the holier than thou attitude. Some people could be genuinely offended by that, aside from it making the message colouring essentially useless to anybody but the voters themselves.

                                  David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                                  Tim Smith
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                                  I haven't seen much of that. But if someone was so inclined, they could accuse me of doing it. However, some people vote up the DUMBEST messages. Remember the thread about the Canadian from India who got sent back? I posted a message that just said "Bastards. No more needs to be said." (Or something like that.) I think 1 or 2 people gave it a five. It was a totally mindless and pretty stupid post. It was nothing more than a statement of position. But hell, it got a 5 or two. I laughed when I saw it. Finally, someone came along a voted it down. What I hope is that people realize the difference between a message that is just a mindless statement of political position and a message that actually adds something of merit to the debate. All too often I see message such as "no war for oil" get voted up even though they have no basis in economic or logical reasoning. They are just nice 5 second sound bites and don't add anything to the discussion. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                  • J JoeSox

                                    Tim Smith wrote: "God" is my account. :-D post the link I tried browsing but I only got to "Page 3 of 19" for the search results ":eek: Later,
                                    JoeSox
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                                    Tim Smith
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                                    http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?id=%2019762[^] See, god is from the U.S.. :) BTW: He is a sysadmin :cool: Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                      http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?id=%2019762[^] See, god is from the U.S.. :) BTW: He is a sysadmin :cool: Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                      JoeSox
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                                      If God posts a message, he could have his own messageboard:-D I would love to speak with God:laugh: Later,
                                      JoeSox
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                                      • T Tim Smith

                                        http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?id=%2019762[^] See, god is from the U.S.. :) BTW: He is a sysadmin :cool: Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                        Chris Losinger
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                                        if god is all-powerful, can he post a message that he himself cannot delete? -c

                                        Be very, very careful what you put into that head, because you will never, ever get it out. --Thomas Cardinal Wolsey

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                                        • D David Wulff

                                          Oh I know, that was what I was supposed to be saying. :~

                                          David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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                                          Domenic Denicola
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                                          Oops, hehe. I guess I kind of skipped that sentence! All I was reacting to was the comments about "most fourteen year olds," and wasn't reading carefully enough to get your entire point. Sorry :-O.

                                          -Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] “I was born human. But this was an accident of fate—a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change…”

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