The 2013 Game Developer Gender Wage Gap
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Do you really think child sick leave cause underpaid wages for women? That must be one of the most stupid comments lately. Have it ever occurred to you there may be structural problems for women in such an organisation? If that would have been presented to me at my salary meeting i would have quit, literally.And I have a penis. I have female collegues and the say they are underpaid. I believe them. On the other hand this is common in the gamedev industry, especially among younger people across both sexes but I have no doubt that not bragging about your skills all the time puts you straight on the path to underpaid code monkey. This is sad and is something I try to fight everywhere I work. Too often I see people get squashed wage-wise because they werent aggressive enough towards peers. Some bosses see this as a weakness and subsequently give lower salary because they want people to deliver, work all night and be thankful for whatever crumbs was left by the ceo. You can say, "maybe she isnt skilled enough". And there you have it. Someone thinks just that, based on a vim, and then she gets less payed. Not because shes not good, but because shes not participating in the hierarchy of men. We should see women as a true valuable resource in the game dev industry and give them higher salaries than normal because that will generate more value later on from them and from male peers. I toyally disagree children are the cause of wage discrimination, or that any other gender specific feature or behaviour can cause that. I believe the root cause lie elsewhere.
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We should see women as a true valuable resource in the game dev industry anywhere and everywhere.
FTFY
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and give them higher salaries than normal
I'll quote you: "That must be one of the most stupid comments lately." You would pay someone more just because they are a woman? And you are complaining that a man gets paid more for being a man? That's quite hypocritical.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Do you really think child sick leave cause underpaid wages for women? That must be one of the most stupid comments lately.
I said, " If they are getting more time off they should not be paid the same." Are you saying you believe they should be paid the same even if they work less?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
No, paid for work hours of course, but not less opportunity to be given better salary. I do child sick leave from time to time. No one ever raises eyebrows and neither should you.
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No, paid for work hours of course, but not less opportunity to be given better salary. I do child sick leave from time to time. No one ever raises eyebrows and neither should you.
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but not less opportunity to be given better salary.
Of course, I think everyone agrees with that.
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No one ever raises eyebrows and neither should you.
You appear quite defensive. So, you think you should get paid just as much as someone else even if you miss a lot more days?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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We should see women as a true valuable resource in the game dev industry anywhere and everywhere.
FTFY
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and give them higher salaries than normal
I'll quote you: "That must be one of the most stupid comments lately." You would pay someone more just because they are a woman? And you are complaining that a man gets paid more for being a man? That's quite hypocritical.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Agree. And on second comment. I would pay someone more for the value they bring. Women in game industry actually provide value in stark contrast to other types in the industry. Ill let you figure those out for your self. And since you didnt notice i say it again: give them higher salaries than there normal under wage salaries. At least thats what I meant.
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but not less opportunity to be given better salary.
Of course, I think everyone agrees with that.
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No one ever raises eyebrows and neither should you.
You appear quite defensive. So, you think you should get paid just as much as someone else even if you miss a lot more days?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Same yearly salary of course but due to sick days and child leave that would fluctuate.
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Agree. And on second comment. I would pay someone more for the value they bring. Women in game industry actually provide value in stark contrast to other types in the industry. Ill let you figure those out for your self. And since you didnt notice i say it again: give them higher salaries than there normal under wage salaries. At least thats what I meant.
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Women in game industry actually provide value in stark contrast to other types in the industry. Ill let you figure those out for your self.
No clue what you are trying to say. Are you saying that in the game dev industry women are more valuable then men? If so, why?
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give them higher salaries than there normal under wage salaries.
OK, I think I see what you meant now. Just pay them what they're worth, right? Regardless of gender. If a man is worth more, pay him more. If a woman is, she should get more. If that's what you are saying, I agree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Same yearly salary of course but due to sick days and child leave that would fluctuate.
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Women in game industry actually provide value in stark contrast to other types in the industry. Ill let you figure those out for your self.
No clue what you are trying to say. Are you saying that in the game dev industry women are more valuable then men? If so, why?
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give them higher salaries than there normal under wage salaries.
OK, I think I see what you meant now. Just pay them what they're worth, right? Regardless of gender. If a man is worth more, pay him more. If a woman is, she should get more. If that's what you are saying, I agree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
The big bearded boss despot that make you crunch two weeks before deadline because he want special features. Women would never do that. They would just scratch you in the face and say "mjau" instead when you missed the deadline and then say: "ok, maybe we need to look at the backlog and Prioritize better next time", instead of calling you names for a month afterwards. Thats why we need more women. And the geeks that spit in your face because you stood up to the boss wouldnt be licking ass so much either because that would be called sexual harassment and so on. See where this is going? I have very bad experiences with male hierarchies and I believe they must be defeated globally. Oh the lolz. I dont like radical feminism either. As a matter a fact I would actually call my self equalitist. There you go.
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The big bearded boss despot that make you crunch two weeks before deadline because he want special features. Women would never do that. They would just scratch you in the face and say "mjau" instead when you missed the deadline and then say: "ok, maybe we need to look at the backlog and Prioritize better next time", instead of calling you names for a month afterwards. Thats why we need more women. And the geeks that spit in your face because you stood up to the boss wouldnt be licking ass so much either because that would be called sexual harassment and so on. See where this is going? I have very bad experiences with male hierarchies and I believe they must be defeated globally. Oh the lolz. I dont like radical feminism either. As a matter a fact I would actually call my self equalitist. There you go.
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I have very bad experiences with male hierarchies
Yes, I would say that is clear. Funny, because my experience has been quite different, not quite the opposite, but definitely different.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Women in game industry actually provide value in stark contrast to other types in the industry. Ill let you figure those out for your self.
No clue what you are trying to say. Are you saying that in the game dev industry women are more valuable then men? If so, why?
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give them higher salaries than there normal under wage salaries.
OK, I think I see what you meant now. Just pay them what they're worth, right? Regardless of gender. If a man is worth more, pay him more. If a woman is, she should get more. If that's what you are saying, I agree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And yes. I agree with that last paragraphs as well. So I guess we are agreed then.