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    Marc Clifton
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    OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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      OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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      Marc Clifton wrote: Anything I can do? sorry, no. unless you have a ton of money, you can't hide it from the government. -c


      When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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        OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
        Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
        Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
        Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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        Marc Clifton wrote: Anything I can do? Yeah, you could move. It wouldnt have to be somewhere far away. Maybe Bermuda or something. I really wouldnt blame Bush for taxes though, all he has done so far is lower them. Plus relatively speaking income taxes are pretty low here. But if you feel the glass is half empty. Then you should move somewhere where you can be happy. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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          OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
          Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
          Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
          Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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          Move to the Great White North. :) Sorry, not constructive, but definitely legal. Jon Sagara Hi! I'm Melanoma, Moley Russell's wart. -- Uncle Buck

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            Marc Clifton wrote: Anything I can do? Yeah, you could move. It wouldnt have to be somewhere far away. Maybe Bermuda or something. I really wouldnt blame Bush for taxes though, all he has done so far is lower them. Plus relatively speaking income taxes are pretty low here. But if you feel the glass is half empty. Then you should move somewhere where you can be happy. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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            I don't want to move. I'd like to feel like I can do something to fix the problem. And the first step that I see is getting a whole bunch of people together who want to protest our government spending policies, by refusing to pay their taxes. Enough people that they wouldn't dare throw us all in jail because there wouldn't be enough jails! Isn't there some sort of legal rebellion or protest or something??? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
            Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
            Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
            Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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              OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
              Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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              Eat more chocolate; works every time. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek

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                Eat more chocolate; works every time. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek

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                Marc Clifton
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                Heck, I did that on the way TO the accountant today. Several pieces of "Endangered Species Chocolate Company" smooth dark chocolate. Yummy! And 10% of the profits support endangered animals too! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                  I don't want to move. I'd like to feel like I can do something to fix the problem. And the first step that I see is getting a whole bunch of people together who want to protest our government spending policies, by refusing to pay their taxes. Enough people that they wouldn't dare throw us all in jail because there wouldn't be enough jails! Isn't there some sort of legal rebellion or protest or something??? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                  Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                  Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                  Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                  Although I dont enjoy paying taxes.. umm, how about I silently cheer you on from a distance. Go Marc Go Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                    Marc Clifton wrote: Anything I can do? Yeah, you could move. It wouldnt have to be somewhere far away. Maybe Bermuda or something. I really wouldnt blame Bush for taxes though, all he has done so far is lower them. Plus relatively speaking income taxes are pretty low here. But if you feel the glass is half empty. Then you should move somewhere where you can be happy. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                    Michael Shuster wrote: all he has done so far is lower them by running the country into debt, he's effectively raising them in the future. -c


                    When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

                    Bobber!

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                      I don't want to move. I'd like to feel like I can do something to fix the problem. And the first step that I see is getting a whole bunch of people together who want to protest our government spending policies, by refusing to pay their taxes. Enough people that they wouldn't dare throw us all in jail because there wouldn't be enough jails! Isn't there some sort of legal rebellion or protest or something??? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                      Or how about this, you could become Amish. I dont think they pay every tax. They dont use electricity either, but hey how needs that, or even cars for that matter. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                        Michael Shuster wrote: all he has done so far is lower them by running the country into debt, he's effectively raising them in the future. -c


                        When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.

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                        Michael Shuster
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                        Not if by lowering them you create more business. Then there is more money coming in to pay taxes on ie more tax dollars. We wont know it it worked or not for about ten years though. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                          Not if by lowering them you create more business. Then there is more money coming in to pay taxes on ie more tax dollars. We wont know it it worked or not for about ten years though. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                          Michael Shuster wrote: Not if by lowering them you create more business. will it create $100B worth of tax revenue? cause that's a fair estimate of what DubyaDubya III is gonna cost. (a figure that it's not even in the friggin federal budget) -c


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                            Michael Shuster wrote: Not if by lowering them you create more business. will it create $100B worth of tax revenue? cause that's a fair estimate of what DubyaDubya III is gonna cost. (a figure that it's not even in the friggin federal budget) -c


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                            That might be your fair estimate, but there are plenty of numbers that I could rattle off too. Like I said we wont know for about ten years if it paid off or not. Debt isnt always bad. I bought a house, which means I am going to be in debt for about half of my life. But I would rather not be living with my parents debt free. I would rather have debt and a better standard of life. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                That might be your fair estimate, but there are plenty of numbers that I could rattle off too. Like I said we wont know for about ten years if it paid off or not. Debt isnt always bad. I bought a house, which means I am going to be in debt for about half of my life. But I would rather not be living with my parents debt free. I would rather have debt and a better standard of life. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                Having debts and being broke are not the same thing. :) -- Uh huh. Yeah.

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                                  That might be your fair estimate, but there are plenty of numbers that I could rattle off too. Like I said we wont know for about ten years if it paid off or not. Debt isnt always bad. I bought a house, which means I am going to be in debt for about half of my life. But I would rather not be living with my parents debt free. I would rather have debt and a better standard of life. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                  Michael Shuster wrote: I would rather have debt and a better standard of life. great. and how does spending $100B on invading and occupying a country that is no threat to us raise your standard of life? -c


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                                    Michael Shuster wrote: I would rather have debt and a better standard of life. great. and how does spending $100B on invading and occupying a country that is no threat to us raise your standard of life? -c


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                                    Well I believe they are a threat to us. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                      Well I believe they are a threat to us. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                      How about them muslim Philipinians? They burn american flags faster than Saddam can say "Bush". -- Uh huh. Yeah.

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                                        How about them muslim Philipinians? They burn american flags faster than Saddam can say "Bush". -- Uh huh. Yeah.

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                                        Just because dislike us, doesnt make them a threat. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                          Just because dislike us, doesnt make them a threat. Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                                          Usama Bin Laden once just "disliked" the US. As long as you keep bombing people away on other continents and keep insisting on being present where the heat is while trying to cash in on it, there will be trouble. For every bomb and every military unit present, a disliker will become a hater. You'll have to keep bombing and bombing till there is no one left to bomb. When you're done, you might was well put some asphalt on all of middle east and make runways of it or whatever, because there will be on one left after you've killed all terrorists. Back off and accept that you can't have all the assets in the middle east without being constantly attacked by haters. It's really simple. Please note that I'm not taking anyones side here, so don't go label me as a terrorist supporter. I'm really trying to be objective here. But I bet you'll think I'm left wing scum anyway :) -- Uh huh. Yeah.

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