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  • M Marc Clifton

    OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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    Lost User
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    Move to the UK and live with PAYE (Pay As You Earn). All the money you get in your hand is yours to spend as you like :-D Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) The tigress is here :-D

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    • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

      mmmmmm....:-D I did notice the first flavour it came up with was chilli pepper though! It seems my reputation precedes me...;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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      Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: It seems my reputation precedes me Lucky guess?:) The taste is peculiar: unexpected and slightly unsettling, but strangely wonderful. Debbie

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      • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

        How about them muslim Philipinians? They burn american flags faster than Saddam can say "Bush". -- Uh huh. Yeah.

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        Check out: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2003/2/28/latest/10500Arroyogiv&sec=latest[^] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=68&ncid=68&e=18&u=/nyt/20030221/ts_nyt/u_s__combat_force_of_1_700_is_headed_to_the_philippines[^] Mike

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        • P peterchen

          Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: But I bet you'll think I'm left wing scum anyway No, worse, you're a liberal! ;)


          If you go to war, you will destroy a great country a stoned greek chick to the richest man of the world
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          peterchen wrote: But I bet you'll think I'm left wing scum anyway No, worse, you're a liberal! That is redundant. Mike

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          • M Marc Clifton

            OK. I owe a shitload in federal taxes this year. I don't want to pay it. I think it goes mostly corrupt politicians and poorly adminstrated federal programs. I don't believe in going to war with Iraq. I just can't justify a 95 BILLION $$$ price tag against anything that Saddam can do, and this doesn't factor in the indirect costs of higher fuel bills and the ripple effect that will have. I think Bush is an idiot when he says this will stabilize the region. Everything I've heard about the Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians, the Saudis, etc., points to more instability, not less. I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
            Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
            Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
            Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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            Mike Gaskey
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            Marc Clifton wrote: I don't want to pay my taxes to a corrupt government system, a president I didn't vote for, and a war I don't want. Anything I can do? I'm looking for legal, constructive thoughts here, guys (OK, that's contradictory to posting this in the soapbox, but still, it's worth a try). Refuse to pay. Live by the courage of your convictions. The enabling legislation for federal income taxes states, "the Secretary of the Treasury shall assess and you shall pay . . . " - if you haven't been assessed, you (theoretically) do not need to pay. When you fill out your 1040 you are self assessing. Nothing in the law tha requires you to do so. If you'll look in you 1040 instructions, you'll see penalties for: 1) filing late, 2) filing fraudently - but not for not filing. Of course the IRS takes a different view. Mike

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            • P peterchen

              What is a "threat"? A big man in a dark alley with a knife against your throat? A knife salesman? A knife in a store?


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              peterchen wrote: What is a "threat"? Completely different depending on who you talk to. To some a roller coaster is a threat. To me I rahter enjoy the ride. Webster's Dictionary defines threat as: "A possible source of danger" Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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              • M Marc Clifton

                Not if by lowering them you create more business. This is a fiction. The lower taxes simply makes rich people richer. Greenspan also pointed out that once interest rates start rising, the interest on our debt starts rising. That's sustainable at the 1% of GPD, but Bush's proposed budget deficit is 3% of GPD. Not good. It's going to really cost us later. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                Marc Clifton wrote: rich people richer I think the whole rich people get richer thing is a cop out that too many people use. First of all I am not rich, although I have some aspirations of some day obtaining that quality. In reality rich get richer and so do the poor. In 1980 if you earned 55,000 dollars you were in the top 5 percent of earners in America. Sounds Amazing, but it is true. Now if you take inflation into account that equals about 75,000 today. However today if you wanted to be in the top five percent of earners you would have to make 155,000. What does this mean? It means that a lot of people that were in the middle class or lower middle class have moved up. Now true, by moving up they have distanced themselves from the rest of the population. But the liberal view on this, which is financial inequality, mises the larger picture that more people are moving into the ranks of the affluent class. Another example. 1980 roughly 600,000 families had a net worth of over a million dollars. Today that number is over 5 million families. The west which was historically succseful in creating a middle class has now managed a new landmark, they have given a sizable portion of their population affluency. The fact is, Maids in America drive pretty nice cars. Take a flight you would be likely to find yourself sitting next an electrician taking his third wife to St Kitts. The average house in America has doubled over the last 50 years. So the rich guy drives a Porsche and the poor a second hand civic. That is not that big of a difference. The best example is probably life expectancy. In 1900 life expectancy in America was roughly 50 years. Rich people live to the age of 60 while the poor died at around 45. Thats 15 years! Today rich pass on at around 80 while the poor lasts till he is 76. So yes there is still a gap. But it is much better. Every class is doing better in America. Not just the rich Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                  Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: It seems my reputation precedes me Lucky guess?:) The taste is peculiar: unexpected and slightly unsettling, but strangely wonderful. Debbie

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                  Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                  I must try it then! :-D Being unsettling is a hobby of mine, so being unsettled with be something new...;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                  "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                  - Marcia Graesch

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                  • M Michael Shuster

                    peterchen wrote: What is a "threat"? Completely different depending on who you talk to. To some a roller coaster is a threat. To me I rahter enjoy the ride. Webster's Dictionary defines threat as: "A possible source of danger" Michael Shuster Good judgement comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgement.

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                    So you agree "He is a threat to the US" is a very broad statement? ;P


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                    • M Mike Gaskey

                      Check out: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2003/2/28/latest/10500Arroyogiv&sec=latest[^] http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=68&ncid=68&e=18&u=/nyt/20030221/ts_nyt/u_s__combat_force_of_1_700_is_headed_to_the_philippines[^] Mike

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                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                      I'll be damned. But then again, Bush has commited himself to bomb those who harbor terrorists, right? I'd root out anything remotely muslim fanatic if I had that pressure on me. :) -- It's not unusual to be picked up by a klingon woman It's not unusual to have fun with a klingon When I see you kicking me around It's not unusual to see me cry, I wanna die

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