One last chance
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
thatraja wrote:
Writing an article is not an easy thing
It's easy enough when you use other people's works though.
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thatraja wrote:
Writing an article is not an easy thing
It's easy enough when you use other people's works though.
Agree. But there're more reasons like very less time, lack of inspiration, etc., I have started my first article on 2011(when I was new here) but when I was ready to publish, one guy posted article on same topic so I stopped & put it in my draft. It happened again after a year, one more guy posted article on same topic. Again sent mine to draft. Then I planned to cover uncovered things in my version. Recently I got my time & working on that. My article is big & I don't want to split that into parts. This time I won't stop, I want to get rid of that from my drafts as I'm planning to write on new topics.
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
I'm agree - as long it's a first time (and as long it's ain't my article :laugh:).
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
Most newbies don't get banned for plagiarism: not for the first offence anyway. Personally, I abuse vote people who do know better: serial plagiarists, and those who have been here long enough to know the rules. They do get warned: most of the people who post here put a comment on the article that it is copied then they also report it here. We have some recently that removed the reported matter, and replaced it with other copied material! Yes, it's hard to write an article: if it wasn't the quality wouldn't be worth protecting in the way we do. (That's why I have few articles, and a lot of tips - they are much easier to write.) But that doesn't mean that we should let anybody get away with stealing somebody else's hard work. How would you feel if you spent a solid week crafting an article, and found I'd copied'n'pasted it, filed off the serial numbers and claimed it was my work? The reason they don't contribute is not we are "nasty to them" or "they don't want to help others": it's simply that they want the kudos and reputation without actually doing anything to deserve it! So when we see plagiarism, the article goes. No "ifs", no "buts" - it goes. And if the "author" should know better then yes, the chances are his account will go as well. It always surprises me how often you spot a rip-off article, and a quick check shows that the author has others which are also copied.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
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For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
Sean Ewington wrote:
Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
I do. They aren't. If they learn their lesson, great, but how many have we seen pop back up with a new account who try to repost the same plagiarised article. As an author, I would not be happy if someone lifted all the hard work I had put in and attempted to take credit for themself.
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Agree. But there're more reasons like very less time, lack of inspiration, etc., I have started my first article on 2011(when I was new here) but when I was ready to publish, one guy posted article on same topic so I stopped & put it in my draft. It happened again after a year, one more guy posted article on same topic. Again sent mine to draft. Then I planned to cover uncovered things in my version. Recently I got my time & working on that. My article is big & I don't want to split that into parts. This time I won't stop, I want to get rid of that from my drafts as I'm planning to write on new topics.
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
I^ve written some articles, and I can assure you that it is not easy. They usually grow and get better with the Community's feedback, and even my first article was rejected at first (it was a bad version, but Hey! I eventually got meat upon the bone and it has something above 40'000 reads so far). There are guidelines to post articles, and posting plagiarized content violates these guidelines. No discussion, it is a blatant violation of these Guidelines.
Clean-up crew needed, grammar spill... - Nagy Vilmos
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Most newbies don't get banned for plagiarism: not for the first offence anyway. Personally, I abuse vote people who do know better: serial plagiarists, and those who have been here long enough to know the rules. They do get warned: most of the people who post here put a comment on the article that it is copied then they also report it here. We have some recently that removed the reported matter, and replaced it with other copied material! Yes, it's hard to write an article: if it wasn't the quality wouldn't be worth protecting in the way we do. (That's why I have few articles, and a lot of tips - they are much easier to write.) But that doesn't mean that we should let anybody get away with stealing somebody else's hard work. How would you feel if you spent a solid week crafting an article, and found I'd copied'n'pasted it, filed off the serial numbers and claimed it was my work? The reason they don't contribute is not we are "nasty to them" or "they don't want to help others": it's simply that they want the kudos and reputation without actually doing anything to deserve it! So when we see plagiarism, the article goes. No "ifs", no "buts" - it goes. And if the "author" should know better then yes, the chances are his account will go as well. It always surprises me how often you spot a rip-off article, and a quick check shows that the author has others which are also copied.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Authors who try to submit their own work, but stumble with the form of an article, deserve help. Plagiarists are blatantly violating a clear written rule and the CodeProject Contributor Agreement. It's not like the "Do-Not-Copy"-Rule is rarely known. And when I see how they rip off content without even trying to adjust the formatting, I can't help but wish to shove a shotgun up their cheap ass. And Pull the trigger. Multiple times.
Clean-up crew needed, grammar spill... - Nagy Vilmos
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For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
Clean-up crew needed, grammar spill... - Nagy Vilmos
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For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
We had one recently who took out the plagiarized stuff we had spotted, and reposted it, only to has someone else spot more copying. :sigh: I must admit, if I find plagiarism, I don't want that article published because they have shown they don't care about the original author, and the chances are that it has more plagiarised material I haven't spotted yet. Ok, that probably limits some good original material from publication, but I'm personally happier that way than with stolen material here. And I'm sure we have all noticed that many of the offenders don't stop with one copied article, even if it is refused.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
There was one a few months ago. The author had included some very basic information about computers at the beginning of the article. The images and much of that text was copied from somewhere else and when we called him out on it, he did rewrite that entire section and after trawling through the re-submitted article, I could not find any plagiarized content. I believe that article went on to win Article Of the Month in its category. That's it. I only remember that one successful rehabilitation process. :^) Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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There was one a few months ago. The author had included some very basic information about computers at the beginning of the article. The images and much of that text was copied from somewhere else and when we called him out on it, he did rewrite that entire section and after trawling through the re-submitted article, I could not find any plagiarized content. I believe that article went on to win Article Of the Month in its category. That's it. I only remember that one successful rehabilitation process. :^) Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
I don't really understand plagiarists! I think it shows a lack of self respect and confidence: how can you have pride in something you aren't responsible for? Mystery to me, but I'd assume that is carries over into everything else you do...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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For a time we had a one strike policy, but that has changed. This is really case specific. I can't tell you how many plagiarist authors I've tried to politely and patiently reason with recently. I explain what plagiarism is, I give them examples how to properly cite material, explain what they did wrong, and they respond with, "OK, I am sorry, but can my article go back up now?" Sometimes I catch them reposting their article, or posting a new article with all the same problems. Typically when plagiarist authors get banned they email asking for their account to be restored. Lately I've been asking to resubmit their article to me to show they can apply what I've taught them. Because I don't care if you're sorry -- I care if you understand. Consider this, if 40% of your brief article was plagiarised, and you remove that 40%, is the leftover article the kind of exhaustive, educational piece we have all come to expect and adore? Perhaps not. I can't recall a plagiarist who ADDED to their plagiarised article after I educated them, they merely REMOVE the offences. All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise. And make no mistake, plagiarism is on the rise. Are plagiarists really worth all this time? I don't know anymore. I really don't.
Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject
Fair enough. Particularly this answers clearly
Sean Ewington wrote:
All this takes a lot of my time. Time that might be spent helping other authors or articles who don't plagiarise.
Alright, I'm gonna do something to reduce these mistakes. Will let you know later.
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
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I don't really understand plagiarists! I think it shows a lack of self respect and confidence: how can you have pride in something you aren't responsible for? Mystery to me, but I'd assume that is carries over into everything else you do...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I think we should give one last chance for Plagiarists. Recently I saw many Plagiarised articles by (most of them) newbies removed & banned. We can't change spammers, abusers, trolls. But we could change plagiarists. How about removing their articles with one last warning without banning them? Surely they could understand after that. And they'll contribute here. I think this is nice way instead of pushing them away(ban). Writing an article is not an easy thing. I'm member here for 4 years but I didn't post any article here(From this year I'm gonna post things here). What do you think?
thatraja
Code converters | Education Needed No thanks, I am all stocked up. - Luc Pattyn When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is - Henry Minute
Are you a plagiarist apologist?
