Why the world hates the apathetic Americans (long)
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It's always refreshing to see highly opinionated articles that have no sources or references, which of course greatly lends to their credibility. Did you know that Bush is planning to have Hawaii air-lifted out of the ocean and dropped on Iraq? They call it the Meke-leke-miki-bomb, and it must be true, because I read about it ON THE INTERNET. :zzz:
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Your reasoning is far too simplistic. This isn't about the Supreme Court. The discussion on theft of the 2000 election was a tangent, when someone questioned my knowledge of the electoral college. I'm trying to discuss the reasons for why we're willing to go to war with Iraq without U.N. support, and why the world at large despises Americans. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
TyMatthews wrote: I'm trying to discuss the reasons for why we're willing to go to war with Iraq without U.N. support, and why the world at large despises Americans. Did you ever stop to consider that it is the rest of the world who are the assholes in this scenario? It is very easy to understand why the world hates us. We adher strongly to capitalistic economic principles. The Europeans and most Asians are socialists, therefore they hate us. We give freedom to women and opportunity to anyone who desires it, regardless of their class, therefore we are hated by cultures, such as Islam, that wish to keep women and the lower classes enslaved. In short, we are hated because we are the good guys, and we have been successful at it. Our existence invalidates every other culture on the planet, and they can't stand it. Have we made mistakes which could have understandably angered people? Of course we have. But the good we have done dwarfes those mistakes. I'm comfortable with the sum total of what we have done. As should you be. Any one who doesn't like it can kiss my rear, I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of shit countries. And I don't care who hates me for my arrogant American attitude. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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It's always refreshing to see highly opinionated articles that have no sources or references, which of course greatly lends to their credibility. Did you know that Bush is planning to have Hawaii air-lifted out of the ocean and dropped on Iraq? They call it the Meke-leke-miki-bomb, and it must be true, because I read about it ON THE INTERNET. :zzz:
Okay anonymous... You believe we captured a top-ranking Al Qaida operative in recently Pakistan, right? Why do you beleive this? Because it appears all across the media that you've come to trust as being honest and truthful. Did you actually participate in the capture? Did you fly over to Pakistan, check out the captive for yourself, then come back and say "yep, I believe it now." Of course not. It's called faith. You have faith in your religion, you have faith in the media, you have faith in your government. You happen to believe everything being fed to you... congratulations for being completely faithful to the status quo. You're another nameless sheep, herded by the government and its media. Just because your sources of information are different from mine does not destroy the fact that we are able to choose what we believe. I happen to believe these articles because the logic behind them is completely conceivable. The crap pushed through the mainstream media is too thick with lies and misdirection. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
Maybe this should've been posted in the soapbox originally, but once it was posted in the lounge, it should've stayed there (because it was originally posted there and because it reads like I'm walking into the middle of an existing conversation). (just my opinion) :| ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
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TyMatthews wrote: I'm trying to discuss the reasons for why we're willing to go to war with Iraq without U.N. support, and why the world at large despises Americans. Did you ever stop to consider that it is the rest of the world who are the assholes in this scenario? It is very easy to understand why the world hates us. We adher strongly to capitalistic economic principles. The Europeans and most Asians are socialists, therefore they hate us. We give freedom to women and opportunity to anyone who desires it, regardless of their class, therefore we are hated by cultures, such as Islam, that wish to keep women and the lower classes enslaved. In short, we are hated because we are the good guys, and we have been successful at it. Our existence invalidates every other culture on the planet, and they can't stand it. Have we made mistakes which could have understandably angered people? Of course we have. But the good we have done dwarfes those mistakes. I'm comfortable with the sum total of what we have done. As should you be. Any one who doesn't like it can kiss my rear, I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of shit countries. And I don't care who hates me for my arrogant American attitude. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: We adher strongly to capitalistic economic principles. you mean like farm and steel subsidies, import tarrifs and tax breaks as economic and social policy ? Stan Shannon wrote: The Europeans and most Asians are socialists, therefore they hate us that may be the single craziest thing i've ever seen you write. Stan Shannon wrote: In short, we are hated because we are the good guys, and we have been successful at it. no, we're hated because we keep telling the world how great we are; and we keep telling them that they should all want to be just like us; and we tell them that if they don't hurry it up, we're gonna bomb their asses. Stan Shannon wrote: I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of sh*t countries. and there's a perfect example. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
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Both you and Al-Qaida are striving to change the world from what it is into what you believe is should be. You're not opposites. The only difference is how far are you willing to go to enact _your_ changes? Peaceful protests? Civil war? Hostages? Bombings? Assassinations? How many lives is your vision of America worth? (Okay, yeah, now I'm being over-dramatic.) :zzz:
Please post with your name. It's easy to hind behind an anonymous post. Absolutely I believe in striving to change U.S. policy. Al Qaida doesn't want to change the world, they just want revenge and retribution against America for what they feel are the wrongs from the past. I want to know the truth behind these allegations, to determine whether there's any meat to what they're contending. I am presently of the opinion that our leadership is to be held responsible for their actions over the past 20+ years, and that they are not just reacting to world events or terrorist acts. They are, and have been, actively participating in and causing much of this turmoil. We funded and trained Saddam's regime on military tactics, including chemical/biological weapons, in the early 80s during his war against Iran. This is not conspiracy talk, it's a fact. The American public, while it shys away from learning the truth and speaking out, is in essence actively promoting the Bush crime family. THAT is what I'm trying to speak out against and effect some change. Not destroying more innocent lives. You are being over-dramatic. I do not condone violence, never have, and never will. You'll note I have not once suggested taking a violent tack to bring about change. There are much more civilized ways of doing so. Not a single lost life can be justified, by any means, ever. American or otherwise. Humans that justify lost life for a cause (like Bush is doing now with sending our troops to fight their personal war) should be imprisoned for life. The Bush clan should be imprisoned for life. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Okay anonymous... You believe we captured a top-ranking Al Qaida operative in recently Pakistan, right? Why do you beleive this? Because it appears all across the media that you've come to trust as being honest and truthful. Did you actually participate in the capture? Did you fly over to Pakistan, check out the captive for yourself, then come back and say "yep, I believe it now." Of course not. It's called faith. You have faith in your religion, you have faith in the media, you have faith in your government. You happen to believe everything being fed to you... congratulations for being completely faithful to the status quo. You're another nameless sheep, herded by the government and its media. Just because your sources of information are different from mine does not destroy the fact that we are able to choose what we believe. I happen to believe these articles because the logic behind them is completely conceivable. The crap pushed through the mainstream media is too thick with lies and misdirection. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
Why do you assume I believe the mass media any more than I believe your sources? Because I took up a contrary position? I would just as quickly argue with someone who is as faithful to the mass media propaganda machine as you are to your ideas. The problem I have with your cited sources is that I don't know where they got their facts - so they could just be making stuff up to prove their point. For someone who claims to be a free thinker, you seem to get awfully pissed off when someone attacks _your_ ideas. Are you interested in the truth or are you just interested in being right? Finally, this isn't a personal attack, so I apologize if it came across as such! I take up a contrary position because I'm interested in what you have to say, but I think it's important to be able to defend your ideas against even the most ridiculous and petty criticisms. Sincerely, :zzz:
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Stan Shannon wrote: We adher strongly to capitalistic economic principles. you mean like farm and steel subsidies, import tarrifs and tax breaks as economic and social policy ? Stan Shannon wrote: The Europeans and most Asians are socialists, therefore they hate us that may be the single craziest thing i've ever seen you write. Stan Shannon wrote: In short, we are hated because we are the good guys, and we have been successful at it. no, we're hated because we keep telling the world how great we are; and we keep telling them that they should all want to be just like us; and we tell them that if they don't hurry it up, we're gonna bomb their asses. Stan Shannon wrote: I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of sh*t countries. and there's a perfect example. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
Chris Losinger wrote: I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of sh*t countries. and there's a perfect example Exactly. Replies to this post are proving my point. I don't even have to claim Americans are arrogant and self-serving, it's right here for everyone to see. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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What are you talking about? I'm not opinionated! I believe everything the media tells me, which naturally prevents me from having an opinion. :-D
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Why do you assume I believe the mass media any more than I believe your sources? Because I took up a contrary position? I would just as quickly argue with someone who is as faithful to the mass media propaganda machine as you are to your ideas. The problem I have with your cited sources is that I don't know where they got their facts - so they could just be making stuff up to prove their point. For someone who claims to be a free thinker, you seem to get awfully pissed off when someone attacks _your_ ideas. Are you interested in the truth or are you just interested in being right? Finally, this isn't a personal attack, so I apologize if it came across as such! I take up a contrary position because I'm interested in what you have to say, but I think it's important to be able to defend your ideas against even the most ridiculous and petty criticisms. Sincerely, :zzz:
Sorry, I've been defending so many posts I get emotional instead of logical. I get carried up in it just as much as the other side, and that's something I have to work on. I don't know where they got their facts, either. I have no idea where anyone gets their facts... CNN, ABCNews, MSNBC, et al. I don't work for the media, or these Internet "conspiracy theorists." And you're absolutely right... since we have to have faith in these various media sources, they could be making stuff up to prove their point. It is widely known that various media channels are pro-Democratic or pro-Republican and will spin a news story a thousand different ways to match their own biased opinion. I don't think there is such a thing as an unbiased opinion when it comes to matters of politics, religion, etc. Whether admitted or not, nearly everyone leans one way or another. I'm wont to believe those sources that are very much anti-government and don't appear to be pushing a cause. They aren't trying to set forth an agenda, they're just trying to reveal the truth. It's not like I'm reading some Democrat slant on everything that is Anti-Republican. If anything, these sites I've referenced point to both political parties as conspiring together. I can't tell if these theories are right. We may never know, unfortunately. I am completely interested in the truth. It's just I can't tell where any of you anonymous posters are coming from or who is who, hence the defensive posture. What idea were you criticising again? I'll try to debate for it. Side story: On the way in to work this morning, the radio station I listen to (Mancow, on Q101 in Chicago) had a guest speaker, and he was talking about this very topic! It was amazing, he said exactly what I have been trying to get across. Except he was much more eloquent and went so far as to say this isn't just a Bush family thing. He mentioned a "hundred year war" that the political elite have been waging. It's about power and control of the new world order. This guy felt that Al Qaida was actually working in conjunction with the political elite. The "Skull and Bones" organization, led by daddy Bush at one time, uses them to push their agenda. They hire low-IQ Arabs to do the actual dirty work... fly planes into buildings, drive trucks full of explosives into the garages Skull and Bones[
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Maybe this should've been posted in the soapbox originally, but once it was posted in the lounge, it should've stayed there (because it was originally posted there and because it reads like I'm walking into the middle of an existing conversation). (just my opinion) :| ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
Well once I started delving into it, it really didn't belong in the Lounge anymore. That's why I included the link to the original discussion. You're right, it should have started here, but I can't move it now. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Please post with your name. It's easy to hind behind an anonymous post. Absolutely I believe in striving to change U.S. policy. Al Qaida doesn't want to change the world, they just want revenge and retribution against America for what they feel are the wrongs from the past. I want to know the truth behind these allegations, to determine whether there's any meat to what they're contending. I am presently of the opinion that our leadership is to be held responsible for their actions over the past 20+ years, and that they are not just reacting to world events or terrorist acts. They are, and have been, actively participating in and causing much of this turmoil. We funded and trained Saddam's regime on military tactics, including chemical/biological weapons, in the early 80s during his war against Iran. This is not conspiracy talk, it's a fact. The American public, while it shys away from learning the truth and speaking out, is in essence actively promoting the Bush crime family. THAT is what I'm trying to speak out against and effect some change. Not destroying more innocent lives. You are being over-dramatic. I do not condone violence, never have, and never will. You'll note I have not once suggested taking a violent tack to bring about change. There are much more civilized ways of doing so. Not a single lost life can be justified, by any means, ever. American or otherwise. Humans that justify lost life for a cause (like Bush is doing now with sending our troops to fight their personal war) should be imprisoned for life. The Bush clan should be imprisoned for life. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
TyMatthews wrote: You'll note I have not once suggested taking a violent tack to bring about change. You said you were going to procure weapons. I immediately took that as an agressive and threatening move. If you don't condone violence, why would you need weapons to help you affect change? As 'self-defense'. So then would you condone violence against others who are certain to harm you? Which means you've used violence to prevent yourself from getting hurt, which means you can continue to enforce your cause, which means you've effectively used violence as a tool to continue furthering your cause. I'm just sayin', Ghandi didn't need no AKA-47. (Glib remark.) For what it's worth, I _am_ overdramatic when it suits my purpose. Sorry! Sincerely, :zzz:
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
Skull and Bones[^] Media/Government advance notice of 9/11[^] Apparently there's a book I should just read![^] Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Stan Shannon wrote: We adher strongly to capitalistic economic principles. you mean like farm and steel subsidies, import tarrifs and tax breaks as economic and social policy ? Stan Shannon wrote: The Europeans and most Asians are socialists, therefore they hate us that may be the single craziest thing i've ever seen you write. Stan Shannon wrote: In short, we are hated because we are the good guys, and we have been successful at it. no, we're hated because we keep telling the world how great we are; and we keep telling them that they should all want to be just like us; and we tell them that if they don't hurry it up, we're gonna bomb their asses. Stan Shannon wrote: I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of sh*t countries. and there's a perfect example. -c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
Chris Losinger wrote: we're hated because we keep telling the world how great we are We are. Chris Losinger wrote: we keep telling them that they should all want to be just like us They should. Chris Losinger wrote: we tell them that if they don't hurry it up, we're gonna bomb their asses. No, we don't. (Or at least not nearly as often as we should.) Chris Losinger wrote: and there's a perfect example. Thanks for noticing. I think I'll let the rest of the world spend some time trying to understand me for a change. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Chris Losinger wrote: I have no intention of trying to understand anything about their worthless, backwards piece of sh*t countries. and there's a perfect example Exactly. Replies to this post are proving my point. I don't even have to claim Americans are arrogant and self-serving, it's right here for everyone to see. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
TyMatthews wrote: I don't even have to claim Americans are arrogant and self-serving, it's right here for everyone to see. Why are you so afraid of being arrogant? Its a basic part of American culture. Hell, without it, we wouldn't even be American's. That's a good reason why I hate the left, they won't be happy until I I feel completely miserable abour everything American. I'll leave that to the Europeans. They're so good at it. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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TyMatthews wrote: You'll note I have not once suggested taking a violent tack to bring about change. You said you were going to procure weapons. I immediately took that as an agressive and threatening move. If you don't condone violence, why would you need weapons to help you affect change? As 'self-defense'. So then would you condone violence against others who are certain to harm you? Which means you've used violence to prevent yourself from getting hurt, which means you can continue to enforce your cause, which means you've effectively used violence as a tool to continue furthering your cause. I'm just sayin', Ghandi didn't need no AKA-47. (Glib remark.) For what it's worth, I _am_ overdramatic when it suits my purpose. Sorry! Sincerely, :zzz:
Anonymous wrote: As 'self-defense'. So then would you condone violence against others who are certain to harm you? Yes. You only live once, and being dead surely can't help the cause, can it? Unlike these terrorists, I don't believe in an after life, so this is the only shot I've got. We are animalistic in nature, so yes I will defend myself when my life is threatened. I have not ever had to use violence in a defensive mode thus far in my life, except maybe those times in high school when my girl was insulted :laugh: I guess you could stretch and twist my statement into using violence as a tool, simply by means of keeping myself alive. I guess that means if Ghandi ever used a knife to cut his salad, which helped him stave off hunger/death, which helped him stay alive, which helped him further his cause, then one could say that even Ghandi, by using a tool that could also be used for violence, in effect used violence to further his cause by brutally chopping up those leaves of lettuce. How far do you want to take that conversation? Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
This seems like something Joe should respond to, but so far I haven't heard from him, so I'll give it a shot. TyMatthews wrote: Please give your opinion as to why the majority of the world hates us, and has hated us for decades... When did you speak to the world about how it feels about us? If the number of immigrants that have come legally or otherwise to this country over the last 100 years is any indication of how the world feels about us, then you're wrong. Just because a bunch of foreign politicians (which as you say, are "corrupt, deplorable people", especially the leftist ones) voice their negative opinions to a world audience does not mean that the "world hates us". If this were such a deplorable place to live, I think many would be leaving instead of coming, but alas, you're staying. :-) TyMatthews wrote: Explain why we tolerate Israeli aggression against Palestinians... We tolerate it the same way we tolerate Palestenian aggression against the Israelis. It's not simple issue, and everyone's got different opinions and versions of the truth. Here's an uncoventional viewpoint you probably won't like: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31194[^] TyMatthews wrote: ... now, for completely inane reasons, the latest Bush clan feels compelled to eliminate Saddam by way of overwhelming force? Hundreds of thousands of troops have been sent already. War is inevitable... for what? What is the objective? What has Iraq done that any other country with weapons of mass destruction isn't also capable of doing? North Korea? They HAVE nuclear weapons. Please explain this disparate stance on diplomatic relations, oh great wise one. It's true, Bush Sr. should have eliminated Saddam back in Dessert Storm and taken all that wonderful oil you say we're after. I guess we didn't want his oil back then and now all of the sudden we do. Sure. The objective is simple. Remove the dictatorship; destroy whatever WMD arsenal he has; and install a government that will open the Iraqi society to a democratic way of life. Is that bad? Is that something you don't want for the Iraqi people? As far as North Korea goes, here's a link related to what's been happening lately:
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TyMatthews wrote: I don't even have to claim Americans are arrogant and self-serving, it's right here for everyone to see. Why are you so afraid of being arrogant? Its a basic part of American culture. Hell, without it, we wouldn't even be American's. That's a good reason why I hate the left, they won't be happy until I I feel completely miserable abour everything American. I'll leave that to the Europeans. They're so good at it. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Question for you. Do you empathize with the Nazis from Germany in the 1930s? Do you agree with their stance of a "superior race" and that all others are inferior, and deserve to be eliminated? From your posts, I have a feeling you lean that way. I have no objection to you feeling exactly the way you want to feel, in private. I could care less. Be arrogant, egotistical, anything you want to be. Our constitution protects your rights. I object to using American military troops and financing to push your views and agenda on the rest of the world, killing innocent civilians across the globe, and not care one iota about doing so. Because you're arrogant and proud of it, and "fu*k the rest of the world, I could care less about their backwards piece of sh!t country." THAT is the bone of my contention. There are nearly 6 billion people in the world. Only 300 million here in the U.S. Keep pissing them all off, and sooner or later you'll get it in the end, just as Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan did. The only problem now is that no other countries or regimes have the balls to stand up to the U.S. with military force... they just wave their little U.N. veto cards around. Whoopee! Like that's going to stop Bush. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Question for you. Do you empathize with the Nazis from Germany in the 1930s? Do you agree with their stance of a "superior race" and that all others are inferior, and deserve to be eliminated? From your posts, I have a feeling you lean that way. I have no objection to you feeling exactly the way you want to feel, in private. I could care less. Be arrogant, egotistical, anything you want to be. Our constitution protects your rights. I object to using American military troops and financing to push your views and agenda on the rest of the world, killing innocent civilians across the globe, and not care one iota about doing so. Because you're arrogant and proud of it, and "fu*k the rest of the world, I could care less about their backwards piece of sh!t country." THAT is the bone of my contention. There are nearly 6 billion people in the world. Only 300 million here in the U.S. Keep pissing them all off, and sooner or later you'll get it in the end, just as Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan did. The only problem now is that no other countries or regimes have the balls to stand up to the U.S. with military force... they just wave their little U.N. veto cards around. Whoopee! Like that's going to stop Bush. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
TyMatthews wrote: Question for you. Do you empathize with the Nazis from Germany in the 1930s? Do you agree with their stance of a "superior race" and that all others are inferior, and deserve to be eliminated? From your posts, I have a feeling you lean that way. As ususally, this is about the only real argument people on your side have. "Any one who disagrees with me must be a NAZI." I never once said anything about race. I don't even believe in the concept of race. I am perfectly comfortable with the notion that we are all one species, with very minor genetic variations between individuals and even less so between "races". If the human species has a problem it is too little genetic diversity, not too much. Yadda, yadda, yadda. TyMatthews wrote: I object to using American military troops and financing to push your views and agenda on the rest of the world, killing innocent civilians across the globe, and not care one iota about doing so. Because you're arrogant and proud of it, and "fu*k the rest of the world, I could care less about their backwards piece of sh!t country." THAT is the bone of my contention. But we have never done that and we are not doing that now. Sometimes I think the world would be better off if we did, but it is simply not in our national character. I do expect Bush to fulfill his primary constitutional responsibilities as Commander and Chief, and to put those responsibilities ahead of any consideration for any UN mandates. I think Bush serioiusly believes that Iraq represents a long term threat to this nation. I think his heart is in the right place. I trust his judgement on this issue. I also think that the Iraqi people will be better off free of Saddam's rule. If you trully gave a damn about the people of Iraq you would celebrate their liberation from tyranny. I believe that Muslims are the same as all of God's creatures - they yearn for freedom. To believe otherwise is certainly a racist point of view. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle