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How much is my encryption algorithm worth?

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  • L Lost User

    Daniel Mullarkey wrote:

    Bytes can be transformed into integers easily enough using any modern programming language

    And how do you decide how many bytes to make up each integer? There is no correspondence between the two types. In reality any encryption/decryption system works purely on a stream of bytes, the actual values of individual groups has no relevance.

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    BobJanova
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    It's fine to use int as a shortcode for 'group of 4 bytes' imo, that's what int means in pretty much every modern environment.

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      It's fine to use int as a shortcode for 'group of 4 bytes' imo, that's what int means in pretty much every modern environment.

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      Lost User
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      I understand that, I'm not sure that OP does.

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      • D Daniel Mullarkey

        I developed a lossless, key-based, encryption algorithm that can work in any modern programming language and it has a 1-to-1 relationship between the unencrypted values and the encrypted values as long as the key remains the same and the minimum values and maximum values are known. The key can also be of virtually limitless size or of a very limited size. The algorithm uses carefully calculated mathematics to give the appearance of gibberish until it is decoded with the proper key or combination of keys. Other than that, I cannot reveal anything, lest I lose any intellectual property right opportunities that I have to the algorithm. How much is this encryption algorithm potentially worth if I patent it?

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        A closed source encryption algorithm is worth pretty much nothing, because there's no way to evaluate how strong it is. So there's no way we can answer this question without seeing the code, which obviously you can't share because it would invalidate a patent application if it were in the public domain. An encryption algorithm with no linkage between blocks is relatively weak, because an attacker can take blocks in isolation and generate parts of the key, particularly if he knows what some of the content is. If your key is long enough then it becomes a one-time pad which is unbreakable, but you've just deferred the problem to how to exchange keys securely. If your algorithm is weaker than DES then I doubt it's worth anything. However, having your name on a patent could give you some industry kudos and make it easier to get a good job or consultancy work.

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        • B BobJanova

          A closed source encryption algorithm is worth pretty much nothing, because there's no way to evaluate how strong it is. So there's no way we can answer this question without seeing the code, which obviously you can't share because it would invalidate a patent application if it were in the public domain. An encryption algorithm with no linkage between blocks is relatively weak, because an attacker can take blocks in isolation and generate parts of the key, particularly if he knows what some of the content is. If your key is long enough then it becomes a one-time pad which is unbreakable, but you've just deferred the problem to how to exchange keys securely. If your algorithm is weaker than DES then I doubt it's worth anything. However, having your name on a patent could give you some industry kudos and make it easier to get a good job or consultancy work.

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          Daniel Mullarkey
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          In short, it is designed to compete with PGP. Even the keys themselves can be encrypted with my algorithm, by using the same key block or another key, thereby making it more difficult to intercept a key.

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          • L Lost User

            I would believe anything, but what does that have to do with producing an efficient and valid encryption algorithm?

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            Daniel Mullarkey
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            Nothing, in and of itself. What makes my encryption algorithm unique is that unlike other encryption algorithms, the set of all unencrypted values, encrypted values, and key values, are electronically indistinguishable from one another, while the each unencrypted value its corresponding encrypted value are still uniquely different from one another.

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            • L Lost User

              I would believe anything, but what does that have to do with producing an efficient and valid encryption algorithm?

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              Daniel Mullarkey
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              What makes my encryption algorithm unique is that unlike other encryption algorithms, the set of all unencrypted values, encrypted values, and key values, are electronically indistinguishable from one another, while the each unencrypted value and encrypted value are still uniquely different from one another.

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              • D Daniel Mullarkey

                Nothing, in and of itself. What makes my encryption algorithm unique is that unlike other encryption algorithms, the set of all unencrypted values, encrypted values, and key values, are electronically indistinguishable from one another, while the each unencrypted value its corresponding encrypted value are still uniquely different from one another.

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                Lost User
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                So you keep telling us, but that proves nothing. Your algorithm needs to be tested to destruction by experts in the field, before anyone is going to pay you any money for it.

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                • L Lost User

                  So you keep telling us, but that proves nothing. Your algorithm needs to be tested to destruction by experts in the field, before anyone is going to pay you any money for it.

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                  Daniel Mullarkey
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                  That point I will concede. Nonetheless, I was planning on licensing it out, rather than selling the patent wholesale.

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                    That point I will concede. Nonetheless, I was planning on licensing it out, rather than selling the patent wholesale.

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                    Daniel Mullarkey wrote:

                    I was planning on licensing it out

                    Well you still have the same problem. Who do you think is going to want to licence an encryption system without any evidence of its efficacy?

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                    • D Daniel Mullarkey

                      Well, I can say that the core methods involve 10 lines of code, one with a conditional (if...then) recursion that at best only occurs once per original use and the rest involves conditional (if...then) mathematics at three levels, thereby making it very quick and very fast. Besides, ever heard of lossless compression? Well, I might as well have created perpetual lossless, key-based, encryption. Keep in mind that the encryption algorithm is symmetrical, so the very idea of having public keys would be a bad idea. The core of my encryption algorithm is essentially a block cipher in which the unencrypted value does not grow or shrink in size when encrypted. Also, keep in mind that it can not only encrypt bulk data, but it can also use bulk keys. And one day I will show that I can deliver on the goods. I just have to find a way to afford to pay LegalZoom $1,000 to patent it. "In cryptography, a block cipher is a deterministic algorithm operating on fixed-length groups of bits, called blocks, with an unvarying transformation that is specified by a symmetric key. Block ciphers are important elementary components in the design of many cryptographic protocols, and are widely used to implement encryption of bulk data." --Quoted from Wikipedia from Block cipher

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                      All encryption is lossless? You have to be able to undo it back to the original :P

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