Is Microsoft Navision dead?
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
That's his choice. But...if he choses not to learn it, then he choses to fail the course. You can't pass an exam on a subject if you know nothing about it. By all means discuss the choice of subjects with your tutor (in a friendly way, don't get abusive, aggressive, or threaten to "not learn it") but it may be imposed on him by the course syllabus and there may be no choice about it's inclusion in the course, or the final exams. Me? I'd learn it. COBOL and FORTRAN are old technologies that no IT course is likely to teach: but there are good, well paid jobs for people who know them...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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That's his choice. But...if he choses not to learn it, then he choses to fail the course. You can't pass an exam on a subject if you know nothing about it. By all means discuss the choice of subjects with your tutor (in a friendly way, don't get abusive, aggressive, or threaten to "not learn it") but it may be imposed on him by the course syllabus and there may be no choice about it's inclusion in the course, or the final exams. Me? I'd learn it. COBOL and FORTRAN are old technologies that no IT course is likely to teach: but there are good, well paid jobs for people who know them...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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So did I. But that was over thirty years ago... :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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That's his choice. But...if he choses not to learn it, then he choses to fail the course. You can't pass an exam on a subject if you know nothing about it. By all means discuss the choice of subjects with your tutor (in a friendly way, don't get abusive, aggressive, or threaten to "not learn it") but it may be imposed on him by the course syllabus and there may be no choice about it's inclusion in the course, or the final exams. Me? I'd learn it. COBOL and FORTRAN are old technologies that no IT course is likely to teach: but there are good, well paid jobs for people who know them...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
*Shudder* I did Fortran77 in my second year and the fun of trying to create a lottery number chooser :((
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
CsTreval wrote:
So assuming Navision is dead
Well you don't know that for sure unless you check with Microsoft. And ask your teacher why they are teaching this subject. But mainly, don't listen to your co students, as chances are they don't know any more than you do.
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
CsTreval wrote:
(according to his father who is an important CIO).
Being important doesn't make one right. Explain me in two lines what Dynamics NAV is, and what it's used for. Next, find me an alternative that's better. Once you found it, prepare for a barrage of questions demanding how it is better.
CsTreval wrote:
So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program?
Because you'll have to learn what ERP is - which application is used is hardly relevant, as the landscape will have changed anyway before you hit the workforce.
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
CsTreval wrote:
However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO).
I could claim that the moon is made from blue cheese. That doesn't necessarily make it true.
CsTreval wrote:
He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'.
It sounds like your class mate is full of opinions. I'd love to know what hard data he's using to back this up. Oh, if Nav was dead, then MS wouldn't just have rolled out Cumulative Update 14 four days ago. Contrary to popular belief, MS don't buy technologies and throw teams at them if they have already killed that technology off. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to do that. To find out what's going on in the Nav world, it's worth reading through their[^] blog.
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CsTreval wrote:
However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO).
I could claim that the moon is made from blue cheese. That doesn't necessarily make it true.
CsTreval wrote:
He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'.
It sounds like your class mate is full of opinions. I'd love to know what hard data he's using to back this up. Oh, if Nav was dead, then MS wouldn't just have rolled out Cumulative Update 14 four days ago. Contrary to popular belief, MS don't buy technologies and throw teams at them if they have already killed that technology off. It wouldn't make financial sense for them to do that. To find out what's going on in the Nav world, it's worth reading through their[^] blog.
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Of course the company itself is not going to talk negatively about itself. Outside verified opinions and views are needed.
You seem to be misunderstanding the part about not throwing money at things that are dead. And how is your friends "important father" supposed to have better knowledge? Is he a Dynamics Insider? Oh wait a minute, could it be that I happen to know people who work on the Dynamics team? Surely not? Surely I couldn't reach out to them and find out if their product is dead in the water. Heaven forbid that I did that between you asking the question and my answering. Good lord, that would have been positively unprofessional of me.
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Of course the company itself is not going to talk negatively about itself. Outside verified opinions and views are needed.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Opinions and views are formed using facts.
Learn to formulate your own.Surely, if you formulate your own, they aren't "facts" but "guesses"? ;)
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Opinions and views are formed using facts.
Learn to formulate your own.Surely, if you formulate your own, they aren't "facts" but "guesses"? ;)
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
CsTreval wrote:
At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013
And when you graduate your degree will be in what exactly?
CsTreval wrote:
However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO).
Which should be irrelevant to you.
CsTreval wrote:
So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
If you think that any specific technology that you use in university will be around in 50 years or even 30 years then you are likely going to be surprised. Even at 10 years some things will disappear. What you need to do is learn how to learn about different technologies. And accept that even if a certain technology has problems that it is very likely that you will need to still use it because businesses exist to make money, not software. And so they don't throw out everything just because of some subjective opinion (or at least not most times.)
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At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013. However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO). Apparently Navision is 'bloatware' that went nearly bankrupt and Microsoft decided to buy it and use it for re-profit (as my co-student stated). He told me that in many companies installing Navision or any kind of Microsoft product like that is against company policy because that software is 'horribly inefficient'. I am not sure of the details. So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
No no it is not, but sometimes I wish. I prefer using a simple calculator most time
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CsTreval wrote:
At our university we are being trained to use Microsoft Dynamics Navision 2013
And when you graduate your degree will be in what exactly?
CsTreval wrote:
However, one of my co-students refuses to learn and/or use that software because he claims it is dead (according to his father who is an important CIO).
Which should be irrelevant to you.
CsTreval wrote:
So assuming Navision is dead, then why does my university put it in its program? Why is it 'a preparation for the business world' if the software is allegedly dead in use?
If you think that any specific technology that you use in university will be around in 50 years or even 30 years then you are likely going to be surprised. Even at 10 years some things will disappear. What you need to do is learn how to learn about different technologies. And accept that even if a certain technology has problems that it is very likely that you will need to still use it because businesses exist to make money, not software. And so they don't throw out everything just because of some subjective opinion (or at least not most times.)
Businesses' sole purpose is not making money. That is old-boxed thinking. Today's businesses' main goal is to make a difference in this world and make it a better world. There are also other important goals to consider such as being 'Green', i.e. Corporate Social Responsibility. Businesses exist to differentiate and evolve our society so we can identify ourselves as a nation and not only in the economical aspect. One of the main drivers behind a business is to make software, i.e. to give the customers what they want. That is why there are courses like Software Engineering, where functional analysis and business intelligence, data mining is taught. Companies are linear organized solutions of people who put out bright ideas into the world and form them into life. Long term thinking also has to be applied; it would be better in long term in some situations to change the business solutions rather than keeping the old ones. This is where modern consultants come in and where they show the old, conservative and obstinant nay-sayers that they are wrong in their views and that a more modern solution is viable. It all comes down to great ideas that need to be translated to great solutions, which is something 90% of the companies today are struggling with: failure to translate Business Strategy into Implementation down the company pipeline.
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Businesses' sole purpose is not making money. That is old-boxed thinking. Today's businesses' main goal is to make a difference in this world and make it a better world. There are also other important goals to consider such as being 'Green', i.e. Corporate Social Responsibility. Businesses exist to differentiate and evolve our society so we can identify ourselves as a nation and not only in the economical aspect. One of the main drivers behind a business is to make software, i.e. to give the customers what they want. That is why there are courses like Software Engineering, where functional analysis and business intelligence, data mining is taught. Companies are linear organized solutions of people who put out bright ideas into the world and form them into life. Long term thinking also has to be applied; it would be better in long term in some situations to change the business solutions rather than keeping the old ones. This is where modern consultants come in and where they show the old, conservative and obstinant nay-sayers that they are wrong in their views and that a more modern solution is viable. It all comes down to great ideas that need to be translated to great solutions, which is something 90% of the companies today are struggling with: failure to translate Business Strategy into Implementation down the company pipeline.
CsTreval wrote:
Businesses' sole purpose is not making money. That is old-boxed thinking. Today's businesses' main goal is to make a difference in this world and make it a better world.
Look up the word "naive".
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