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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Ew. Yet, why check at all? And wouldn't an empty List be better than a null?

    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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    Stepan Kobzey
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    because no further actions cannot be done if something went wrong and queryid is empty guid. Empty list its bites in memory

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    • S Stepan Kobzey

      because no further actions cannot be done if something went wrong and queryid is empty guid. Empty list its bites in memory

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      #4

      Stepan Kobzey wrote:

      if something went wrong

      I don't think that's the responsibilty of this method. That should have been performed before calling the method.

      Stepan Kobzey wrote:

      is empty guid

      If the method is asked to perform the action, it should perform it.

      Stepan Kobzey wrote:

      bites in memory

      So what? Basically, what goes wrong if you remove the check entirely? It sounds like a case of premature optimization -- if the guid is never empty, then you are actually decreasing performance because you perform the check every time.

      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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      • S Stepan Kobzey

        Thats how one of our developers with 18 years experience checks if guid is empty

        public List GetCommentIdsByUserQueryID_Paging(Guid userQueryID, out int total, int skipCount = 0, int itemsPerPage = 20)
                {
        .........
                     if (userQueryID.ToString().Length==0) return null;
        ..........

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        Sander Rossel
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        #5

        Should have been:

        if (userQueryID.ToString() == "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000") return null;

        He should've known that :D Alternatively he could've looped and count the 0's. Just don't use Guid.Empty. I heard it's bugged :~

        It's an OO world.

        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
        {
        public void DoWork()
        {
        throw new NotSupportedException();
        }
        }

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          Should have been:

          if (userQueryID.ToString() == "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000") return null;

          He should've known that :D Alternatively he could've looped and count the 0's. Just don't use Guid.Empty. I heard it's bugged :~

          It's an OO world.

          public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
          {
          public void DoWork()
          {
          throw new NotSupportedException();
          }
          }

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          #6

          What if it has lower-case zeroes? :-D

          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Should have been:

            if (userQueryID.ToString() == "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000") return null;

            He should've known that :D Alternatively he could've looped and count the 0's. Just don't use Guid.Empty. I heard it's bugged :~

            It's an OO world.

            public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
            {
            public void DoWork()
            {
            throw new NotSupportedException();
            }
            }

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            OriginalGriff
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            Sander Rossel wrote:

            I heard it's bugged

            You heard right - it's not even slightly unique.

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            • S Stepan Kobzey

              Thats how one of our developers with 18 years experience checks if guid is empty

              public List GetCommentIdsByUserQueryID_Paging(Guid userQueryID, out int total, int skipCount = 0, int itemsPerPage = 20)
                      {
              .........
                           if (userQueryID.ToString().Length==0) return null;
              ..........

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              JMK NI
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              #8

              Why doesn't he just generate the same guid again and compare?

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Sander Rossel wrote:

                I heard it's bugged

                You heard right - it's not even slightly unique.

                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                Sander Rossel
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                #9

                Isn't a non-unique GUID pretty unique :D

                It's an OO world.

                public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                {
                public void DoWork()
                {
                throw new NotSupportedException();
                }
                }

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  What if it has lower-case zeroes? :-D

                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                  Sander Rossel
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #10

                  You mean they aren't the letter O?

                  It's an OO world.

                  public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                  {
                  public void DoWork()
                  {
                  throw new NotSupportedException();
                  }
                  }

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                  • S Stepan Kobzey

                    Thats how one of our developers with 18 years experience checks if guid is empty

                    public List GetCommentIdsByUserQueryID_Paging(Guid userQueryID, out int total, int skipCount = 0, int itemsPerPage = 20)
                            {
                    .........
                                 if (userQueryID.ToString().Length==0) return null;
                    ..........

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                    Bernhard Hiller
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                    #11

                    Don't fix that! Other places using that function meanwhile rely on its "feature" that it returns a *special* list for Guid.Empty()!

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                    • J JMK NI

                      Why doesn't he just generate the same guid again and compare?

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                      Bernhard Hiller
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                      #12

                      Exactly. Ought to be

                      Guid invalid = Guid.Empty();
                      if (userQueryID.ToString().ToUpper() != invalid.ToString().ToUpper());return null;

                      Oops;! Happened to add another feature...

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                      • S Stepan Kobzey

                        Thats how one of our developers with 18 years experience checks if guid is empty

                        public List GetCommentIdsByUserQueryID_Paging(Guid userQueryID, out int total, int skipCount = 0, int itemsPerPage = 20)
                                {
                        .........
                                     if (userQueryID.ToString().Length==0) return null;
                        ..........

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        #13

                        IIRC guid's are value not reference types so they can't be empty. Doesn't it have hasValue() method or some such?

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          IIRC guid's are value not reference types so they can't be empty. Doesn't it have hasValue() method or some such?

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                          Richard Deeming
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                          They can't be null, but they can be empty, which is the guid equivalent of zero. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.guid.empty.aspx[^] There's no HasValue property or method; you just need to test whether it's equal to Guid.Empty.


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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            They can't be null, but they can be empty, which is the guid equivalent of zero. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.guid.empty.aspx[^] There's no HasValue property or method; you just need to test whether it's equal to Guid.Empty.


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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            Richard Deeming wrote:

                            you just need to test whether it's equal to Guid.Empty

                            Except for that you probably don't actually need to. Edit: I'm also suspicious as to whether or not they're actually using System.Guid. The snippet doesn't specify, so it's possible that they rolled their own Guid class and then all bets are off.

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              Richard Deeming wrote:

                              you just need to test whether it's equal to Guid.Empty

                              Except for that you probably don't actually need to. Edit: I'm also suspicious as to whether or not they're actually using System.Guid. The snippet doesn't specify, so it's possible that they rolled their own Guid class and then all bets are off.

                              You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                              Richard Deeming
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                              #16

                              Well, you do if you want to know whether or not it's empty. ;P


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                              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                Well, you do if you want to know whether or not it's empty. ;P


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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                Except you probably don't actually need to.

                                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  Isn't a non-unique GUID pretty unique :D

                                  It's an OO world.

                                  public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                  {
                                  public void DoWork()
                                  {
                                  throw new NotSupportedException();
                                  }
                                  }

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                                  PIEBALDconsult
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                                  #18

                                  Pretty much the same argument as that for "there are no uninteresting numbers". :thumbsup: "If there are uninteresting numbers, there must be a first uninteresting number, and that number would therefore be pretty interesting."

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  • B Bernhard Hiller

                                    Exactly. Ought to be

                                    Guid invalid = Guid.Empty();
                                    if (userQueryID.ToString().ToUpper() != invalid.ToString().ToUpper());return null;

                                    Oops;! Happened to add another feature...

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    #19

                                    Is the errant semi-colon on purpose? :suss:

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                    • B Bernhard Hiller

                                      Don't fix that! Other places using that function meanwhile rely on its "feature" that it returns a *special* list for Guid.Empty()!

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      Bernhard Hiller wrote:

                                      it returns a *special* list for Guid.Empty()!

                                      It's _expecte_d to, but does it?

                                      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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