silly requirements in job ads
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I have been looking for a new job for some time now, and am discouraged by the number of positions for which I don't meet all of the skills requirements. But it's recently occurred to me how dumb some of the requirements listed in the job ads are. For instance, I recently saw one where knowledge of Microsoft's Visual Source Safe was a 'must'. Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. So why list it as a skills requirement? These employers sit with positions that don't get filled for months on end. If they'd give some more thought to the skills that are *really* required in order to get hired for the job, they'd fill the position much more quickly. :mad:
Anonymous wrote: Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. This is exactly the reason why people like to list it as a skill: to keep off people which think that they learn how to use VSS in half hour from reading the online help. Did you ever manage versions? Do branches/merges over multiple versions? There is more to VSS than check in/out.
Off to Brazil...
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Anonymous wrote: Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. This is exactly the reason why people like to list it as a skill: to keep off people which think that they learn how to use VSS in half hour from reading the online help. Did you ever manage versions? Do branches/merges over multiple versions? There is more to VSS than check in/out.
Off to Brazil...
Hey, the employer saying "VSS" isn't in any way going to make me not apply for the job, even if all I know is check-in/check-out stuff. You can't be serious, get off your high horse. If they say "familiar with VSS" but mean "Advanced VSS with version management and branches/merges over multiple versions" then it's then they sure can't fault people like me for believing we meet the skill requirement. But anyway, VSS was only one example. Half of these help wanted ads list ten different skills, and they expect you to have five years experience in each of them (yes, including .NET). X|
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Hey, the employer saying "VSS" isn't in any way going to make me not apply for the job, even if all I know is check-in/check-out stuff. You can't be serious, get off your high horse. If they say "familiar with VSS" but mean "Advanced VSS with version management and branches/merges over multiple versions" then it's then they sure can't fault people like me for believing we meet the skill requirement. But anyway, VSS was only one example. Half of these help wanted ads list ten different skills, and they expect you to have five years experience in each of them (yes, including .NET). X|
:) right so. If they need more than basic knowledge they will tell you. Employers always expect a masters degree in whatnot and pay for a student. I was just pointing out that, as simple as VSS is, there is much more than you can learn in half hour.
Off to Brazil...
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You are angry that an employer asked for a person with knowledge of VSS ok What if you read the ad. that Says(we need a developer with 4 years of experience in .NET);P it was several months ago !!
What? You mean you weren't working with .NET when it was known as .GNAT ? (If you miss the joke, a gnat is a small annoying insect that likes to fly into your eyes and nose.) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
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What? You mean you weren't working with .NET when it was known as .GNAT ? (If you miss the joke, a gnat is a small annoying insect that likes to fly into your eyes and nose.) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
.NET is more than 4 years old. The CLR and C# are known formerly as the MS implementation of the java virtual machine and the java language. Release 3.0 was in 1997.
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I have been looking for a new job for some time now, and am discouraged by the number of positions for which I don't meet all of the skills requirements. But it's recently occurred to me how dumb some of the requirements listed in the job ads are. For instance, I recently saw one where knowledge of Microsoft's Visual Source Safe was a 'must'. Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. So why list it as a skills requirement? These employers sit with positions that don't get filled for months on end. If they'd give some more thought to the skills that are *really* required in order to get hired for the job, they'd fill the position much more quickly. :mad:
The employer probably wants you to perform integration related work, and at this point you need a thorough understanding of how to use VSS (branches, links, ...).
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.NET is more than 4 years old. The CLR and C# are known formerly as the MS implementation of the java virtual machine and the java language. Release 3.0 was in 1997.
CLR and C# are known formerly as the MS implementation of the java virtual machine and the java language Hmmm, the way I remember it is that the java virtual machine was part of Internet Explorer and the java language implementation was Visual J++. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
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CLR and C# are known formerly as the MS implementation of the java virtual machine and the java language Hmmm, the way I remember it is that the java virtual machine was part of Internet Explorer and the java language implementation was Visual J++. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
Take the MS Java virtual machine : it's embedded in Internet Explorer, and can also be installed on a stand-alone basis (application execution). Visual J++ ? It's an IDE living on top of the java compiler (part of MS Java SDK), and at run-time it uses the java virtual machine. In 1997, MS released the MS Java SDK (along with Visual J++ x.xx something, and also probably an upgrade of the virtual machine as well). At that time, the MS Java SDK already had a lot of MS proprietary language keywords, and namespaces. For instance, it had the COM bridge. This COM bridge is now ".NET COM interop". The CLS, CLI and reflection are 90% matching what Java had at that time (both Sun and MS SDKs). etc, etc.
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.NET is more than 4 years old. The CLR and C# are known formerly as the MS implementation of the java virtual machine and the java language. Release 3.0 was in 1997.
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I have been looking for a new job for some time now, and am discouraged by the number of positions for which I don't meet all of the skills requirements. But it's recently occurred to me how dumb some of the requirements listed in the job ads are. For instance, I recently saw one where knowledge of Microsoft's Visual Source Safe was a 'must'. Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. So why list it as a skills requirement? These employers sit with positions that don't get filled for months on end. If they'd give some more thought to the skills that are *really* required in order to get hired for the job, they'd fill the position much more quickly. :mad:
I think I can answer the question... This job ad was placed by a company, which already has found a qualified person for this job. Problem is, he is a foreigner. In order to obtain a work permit for this person, the company has to prove to the INS that no qualified american does exist. These types of job ads are "super-specific" , otherwise the company would be compelled to interview hundreds of applicants. The trick is, to apply anyway. I intervied applicants in the past, who claimed knowledge in just about any computer language there is... including COBOL. This of course the "give-away", because no respectable computer programmer would ever admit doing COBOL. Turned out, he did not know what I meant with: "Assign the value 10 to the variable X in the language of your choice". In my opinion, your problem is, you are too honest. Do it like the rest of the world... make it up as you go along... Daniela Daniela
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I have been looking for a new job for some time now, and am discouraged by the number of positions for which I don't meet all of the skills requirements. But it's recently occurred to me how dumb some of the requirements listed in the job ads are. For instance, I recently saw one where knowledge of Microsoft's Visual Source Safe was a 'must'. Now, I do know VSS.... and I know that whatever it is that the employer wants the new employee to know about VSS can be learned in about a half hour. So why list it as a skills requirement? These employers sit with positions that don't get filled for months on end. If they'd give some more thought to the skills that are *really* required in order to get hired for the job, they'd fill the position much more quickly. :mad:
Part of the reason they have such stupid *requirements* is because the people writing the job add and even the hiring manager typically have no idea what they are talking about. If you were to interview for that position and you asked the interviewer what VSS was they would probably tell you it had something to do with the program that that last programmer wrote. Forget knowing everything they ask for. Find a contact in the company and get them to introduce you to the hiring manager. But make sure it is a company you want to work for. --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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I think I can answer the question... This job ad was placed by a company, which already has found a qualified person for this job. Problem is, he is a foreigner. In order to obtain a work permit for this person, the company has to prove to the INS that no qualified american does exist. These types of job ads are "super-specific" , otherwise the company would be compelled to interview hundreds of applicants. The trick is, to apply anyway. I intervied applicants in the past, who claimed knowledge in just about any computer language there is... including COBOL. This of course the "give-away", because no respectable computer programmer would ever admit doing COBOL. Turned out, he did not know what I meant with: "Assign the value 10 to the variable X in the language of your choice". In my opinion, your problem is, you are too honest. Do it like the rest of the world... make it up as you go along... Daniela Daniela
Daniela123 wrote: I think I can answer the question... This job ad was placed by a company, which already has found a qualified person for this job. Problem is, he is a foreigner. In order to obtain a work permit for this person, the company has to prove to the INS that no qualified american does exist. These types of job ads are "super-specific" , otherwise the company would be compelled to interview hundreds of applicants. The trick is, to apply anyway. I have seen this where I work. You have to be very inventive on the job description... John