Resistant to Change
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So ColborneGreg has somewhere he can go every year and cry? :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
That's simultaneously sad and sad, for both possible meanings of "sad".
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I disagree. Why does it need a grave? Can't we just incinerate it and not waste more electronic real estate interring it? It doesn't deserve that much respect. Come on, people... Let's be efficient!
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Incinerate it? Why not just leave the road-pizza-wanna-be for the crows to pick at? A sort of reminder to others . . . if there are others like MicroSloth
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Windows 98 to Windows XP could be considered a downgrade lol. I never used Vista, at the time Vista came out I was still using Windows 98.
ColborneGreg wrote:
Windows 98 to Windows XP could be considered a downgrade lol.
Are you kidding? 98 was the worst OS they ever did except for Windows Millenium. 98 was just 95 with a bunch of extras and all those fancy extras just caused problems. XP was the first stable OS. I still use it. It works great.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ColborneGreg wrote:
Windows 98 to Windows XP could be considered a downgrade lol.
Are you kidding? 98 was the worst OS they ever did except for Windows Millenium. 98 was just 95 with a bunch of extras and all those fancy extras just caused problems. XP was the first stable OS. I still use it. It works great.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
XP could not control the IRQS and that was an extreme downgrade.
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You like Win8 - we get that. The rest of the world (pretty much) thinks it's a huge waste of HDD space and is waiting patiently for it to die a quiet death and be buried in an unmarked electronic grave, unmourned.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I get that you don't like it, and everyone that comes in contact with it does not like it. That is until I show them what it can do, I wish I had the opportunity to show you.
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It'll all be OK when Windows 9 is released ;)
Windows OneCore; rebranded "Windows RT" or Windows Metro. OneCore is the basis for Xbox One, Windows Phone, and Metro. Windows OneCore well bring more experience to world you do not like.
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I get that you don't like it, and everyone that comes in contact with it does not like it. That is until I show them what it can do, I wish I had the opportunity to show you.
ColborneGreg wrote:
I get that you don't like it, and everyone that comes in contact with it does not like it.
That is until I show them what it can do, I wish I had the opportunity to show you.As long as this doesn't end with "Just step into my van and I'll show you..."
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I loved DOS, after having to load 6 floppy disks for a program; DOS was the most amazing thing ever. Then Windows 3.11 came along; not only did I get a windowed experience, but also a networked one as well. Then Windows 95; glorious improvements in graphics. I remember I just had to have it because it was futuristic. It wasn't until College that I fell in love with Windows 98 for the compatibility of everything new. In my 3rd year of college Windows XP came out. Before this point the average person didn't really have a computer, and I considered XP to be a joke. Most to the same way I saw Windows Millennium Edition and including Vista on top of that. At the time vista came out I was forced to upgrade to Windows XP, then did so without ever updating the thing, and gave up on trying to control the IRQ's. While using windows 7, my first reaction was to hate windows 8. That's when I noticed a pattern that the only reason I didn't like something was my resistance to change. I also consider the only reason XP did so well was the lack of devices in the common home. Now I fear that every reason to love Windows 8 will never be known and the quick response of people will kill off a technology that has barely come to light.
Interesting. Anecdotal, I know, but I'm the exact opposite: - Stood in line to purchase Win 95 at midnight. - Purchased 98 within the first week. - Switched to 2000 instead of ME, so dodged that bullet. - Purchased XP within the first week. - Installed Vista (via MSDN) the day the disc was delivered. - Installed 7 (via MSDN) the day it was available for download. Have zero interest in 8. Tried it several times on other people's machines, so I'm not basing this off of pure speculation. I prefer skeumorphism and discoverable UIs.
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ColborneGreg wrote:
I get that you don't like it, and everyone that comes in contact with it does not like it.
That is until I show them what it can do, I wish I had the opportunity to show you.As long as this doesn't end with "Just step into my van and I'll show you..."
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Epic
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Interesting. Anecdotal, I know, but I'm the exact opposite: - Stood in line to purchase Win 95 at midnight. - Purchased 98 within the first week. - Switched to 2000 instead of ME, so dodged that bullet. - Purchased XP within the first week. - Installed Vista (via MSDN) the day the disc was delivered. - Installed 7 (via MSDN) the day it was available for download. Have zero interest in 8. Tried it several times on other people's machines, so I'm not basing this off of pure speculation. I prefer skeumorphism and discoverable UIs.
The UI needs hard core work, and it not the reason why 8 is amazing. A lot of people will get to see the potential of the operating system is by using Xbox One, which uses Windows RT as the core.
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I loved DOS, after having to load 6 floppy disks for a program; DOS was the most amazing thing ever. Then Windows 3.11 came along; not only did I get a windowed experience, but also a networked one as well. Then Windows 95; glorious improvements in graphics. I remember I just had to have it because it was futuristic. It wasn't until College that I fell in love with Windows 98 for the compatibility of everything new. In my 3rd year of college Windows XP came out. Before this point the average person didn't really have a computer, and I considered XP to be a joke. Most to the same way I saw Windows Millennium Edition and including Vista on top of that. At the time vista came out I was forced to upgrade to Windows XP, then did so without ever updating the thing, and gave up on trying to control the IRQ's. While using windows 7, my first reaction was to hate windows 8. That's when I noticed a pattern that the only reason I didn't like something was my resistance to change. I also consider the only reason XP did so well was the lack of devices in the common home. Now I fear that every reason to love Windows 8 will never be known and the quick response of people will kill off a technology that has barely come to light.
DOS: Ahh, the good old days... I spent so much time messing around in QBasic and TurboC... And playing Scorched Earth. Windows 3.11: So insecure that when they put a computer lab in my high school, I hacked it in five minutes so I could play Minesweeper (Teaches them to lock out the games!) Windows 95: Had to set up a software firewall just so the script kiddies on IRC couldn't drop an ICMP on 139 to BSOD me. On the other hand, having that in place made it REALLY fun to taunt those script kiddies. Windows 98: Fixed most of the problems with Windows 95, and was great as long as you turned off that crap on the desktop. Windows Me: Yes, I actually had this. This was before I started buying/building my own machines. Wow... So bad... So so bad... Windows XP: Finally, something that worked! Well, after a service pack or two... But hey, it was a lot more stable than WinMe! Windows Vista: I know... I know... But I got a REALLY good deal on a machine about six months before Windows 7 came out. It came with a free upgrade, so I just didn't actually commit to the new machine (Stuck with my old XP box) until I got the upgrade. Windows 7: Better than XP... Best one yet. No complaints... Well, not many... I mean, my machine doesn't always post, and sometimes it locks up hard or bluescreens, but I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. Windows 8: Everyone keeps telling me, "Just download ____ to fix the start menu and it's great!" But if you have to get third-party add-ons just to make it usable, doesn't that mean it's a failure? Thanks, but I'll wait for Windows 9 and hope it sucks less than 8... And I wish they'd hurry up, because I'm in the mood to buy a new computer.
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It was Microsoft that advertised that I should be engaged with this website. As you are well respected by the public, and because it is in public view; what is wrong with opinions you don't like?
Nothing, as long as they remain just that: opinions. When they become trolling...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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DOS: Ahh, the good old days... I spent so much time messing around in QBasic and TurboC... And playing Scorched Earth. Windows 3.11: So insecure that when they put a computer lab in my high school, I hacked it in five minutes so I could play Minesweeper (Teaches them to lock out the games!) Windows 95: Had to set up a software firewall just so the script kiddies on IRC couldn't drop an ICMP on 139 to BSOD me. On the other hand, having that in place made it REALLY fun to taunt those script kiddies. Windows 98: Fixed most of the problems with Windows 95, and was great as long as you turned off that crap on the desktop. Windows Me: Yes, I actually had this. This was before I started buying/building my own machines. Wow... So bad... So so bad... Windows XP: Finally, something that worked! Well, after a service pack or two... But hey, it was a lot more stable than WinMe! Windows Vista: I know... I know... But I got a REALLY good deal on a machine about six months before Windows 7 came out. It came with a free upgrade, so I just didn't actually commit to the new machine (Stuck with my old XP box) until I got the upgrade. Windows 7: Better than XP... Best one yet. No complaints... Well, not many... I mean, my machine doesn't always post, and sometimes it locks up hard or bluescreens, but I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. Windows 8: Everyone keeps telling me, "Just download ____ to fix the start menu and it's great!" But if you have to get third-party add-ons just to make it usable, doesn't that mean it's a failure? Thanks, but I'll wait for Windows 9 and hope it sucks less than 8... And I wish they'd hurry up, because I'm in the mood to buy a new computer.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Windows 8 is a huge change on how things are done, and if you don't change to the new way of doing things then you will have a uphill battle to do all the tricks you are used to. All because you did not adapt to the new way of doing something does not make the concept a failure. Windows Metro is the code basis for both Xbox One and Windows Phone, the future of the company is in these two technologies, Windows 8 is the first Desktop OS to integrate with that code basis. The coding abilities are the strong point in 8 and is what should shine. Windows OneCore will be more of that dream to have one code structure across all devices, sadly the desktop and the old way of doing things does not fit in this new idea.
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Nothing, as long as they remain just that: opinions. When they become trolling...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I got that, I did get carried away, and was bullied by one of your aged members; that I am sorry. This was the first abusive message from that user http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4867367/Re-Threshold-is-Windows-so-shut-up-about.aspx[^] It took him calling me moron about 50 times before I slipped and responded with hate.
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Windows 8 is a huge change on how things are done, and if you don't change to the new way of doing things then you will have a uphill battle to do all the tricks you are used to. All because you did not adapt to the new way of doing something does not make the concept a failure. Windows Metro is the code basis for both Xbox One and Windows Phone, the future of the company is in these two technologies, Windows 8 is the first Desktop OS to integrate with that code basis. The coding abilities are the strong point in 8 and is what should shine. Windows OneCore will be more of that dream to have one code structure across all devices, sadly the desktop and the old way of doing things does not fit in this new idea.
ColborneGreg wrote:
Windows 8 is a huge change on how things are done
And it's clearly a change that desktop uses don't want. Looks great for tablets, but I don't want tiles on my desktop. Now if the innards are shared, that's just fine. Common code on that level is usually a good thing, and should make it more stable and compatible. But their window manager, to speak of it in *NIX terms, leaves something to be desired. Tiles are for tablets, windows are for desktops. Putting a few live tiles into the start menu, which they seem to be doing in the next version, is cool. I'm good with that. But making me switch my ENTIRE screen to a bunch of tiles just to launch an application? Epic fail. I know you're going to talk about how important the inner parts are... But when I get home from work, all I want to do is check my e-mail, browse the web, and play games... Sometimes I'll pop into LibreOffice or mess around with other things. I don't care about the innards. They need to JUST WORK. I care about the GUI, and tiles are pointless when I have a mouse and keyboard. And on that note, when I'm AT work, I don't want tiles there either. Fortunately, my company just recently upgraded to Win7, so I don't see them upgrading again anytime soon. Hell, I'm stuck developing on VS2010... No async/await for me :( So... Windows 8... Seen it. Not buying it.
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ColborneGreg wrote:
Windows 8 is a huge change on how things are done
And it's clearly a change that desktop uses don't want. Looks great for tablets, but I don't want tiles on my desktop. Now if the innards are shared, that's just fine. Common code on that level is usually a good thing, and should make it more stable and compatible. But their window manager, to speak of it in *NIX terms, leaves something to be desired. Tiles are for tablets, windows are for desktops. Putting a few live tiles into the start menu, which they seem to be doing in the next version, is cool. I'm good with that. But making me switch my ENTIRE screen to a bunch of tiles just to launch an application? Epic fail. I know you're going to talk about how important the inner parts are... But when I get home from work, all I want to do is check my e-mail, browse the web, and play games... Sometimes I'll pop into LibreOffice or mess around with other things. I don't care about the innards. They need to JUST WORK. I care about the GUI, and tiles are pointless when I have a mouse and keyboard. And on that note, when I'm AT work, I don't want tiles there either. Fortunately, my company just recently upgraded to Win7, so I don't see them upgrading again anytime soon. Hell, I'm stuck developing on VS2010... No async/await for me :( So... Windows 8... Seen it. Not buying it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I get them from the majority of computer people that have a history with computers and are engrained in a way of doing things as you pointed out, which is fine, normal, and because of that changing to Windows 8 is not good; but for anyone that is not a computer geek, they most of the time are taken back and have bad things to say about Windows 8, but every single one of them that I have coached has come to realise why things are done the way their are done in Windows 8, and to get rid of Metro would be to go backwards for them.
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DOS: Ahh, the good old days... I spent so much time messing around in QBasic and TurboC... And playing Scorched Earth. Windows 3.11: So insecure that when they put a computer lab in my high school, I hacked it in five minutes so I could play Minesweeper (Teaches them to lock out the games!) Windows 95: Had to set up a software firewall just so the script kiddies on IRC couldn't drop an ICMP on 139 to BSOD me. On the other hand, having that in place made it REALLY fun to taunt those script kiddies. Windows 98: Fixed most of the problems with Windows 95, and was great as long as you turned off that crap on the desktop. Windows Me: Yes, I actually had this. This was before I started buying/building my own machines. Wow... So bad... So so bad... Windows XP: Finally, something that worked! Well, after a service pack or two... But hey, it was a lot more stable than WinMe! Windows Vista: I know... I know... But I got a REALLY good deal on a machine about six months before Windows 7 came out. It came with a free upgrade, so I just didn't actually commit to the new machine (Stuck with my old XP box) until I got the upgrade. Windows 7: Better than XP... Best one yet. No complaints... Well, not many... I mean, my machine doesn't always post, and sometimes it locks up hard or bluescreens, but I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. Windows 8: Everyone keeps telling me, "Just download ____ to fix the start menu and it's great!" But if you have to get third-party add-ons just to make it usable, doesn't that mean it's a failure? Thanks, but I'll wait for Windows 9 and hope it sucks less than 8... And I wish they'd hurry up, because I'm in the mood to buy a new computer.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)DOS: I spent more time playing with AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS trying to get the best memory config for a game, than I did playing the game...:sigh: Until DOOM of course. That consumed a year or two of my life. WIN3.11: Introduced LANs that didn't need a full-time network admin and exploded networking into small companies. Remember what we had before it? Novell Netware command line interface, anyone? :ack: :spit: Win95: Good for it's time, but over hyped by MS. Plug and Pray a big disappointment. Win98: Better than 95 once you got it running properly. Win2000 and ME: O. My. God. No. Just No. X| XP: Good. Solid, quick, easy. Plug and Pray started to work. Vista: Avoided. I'd like to say "wisely", but that would be a lie. Win7: Best so far - it works, and doesn't have too many weird ones. Win8: Oh dear. A phone OS trying to work on the desktop. Horrible to install, horrible to use. It may work well once you use it as a phone OS - but I use desktops so it can go sit in the corner and play with itself. Major mistake by MS, as the sales figures have shown. Only time since DOS4 that people have upgraded en mass back to the previous version to get rid of it...and the 8.1 patch was too little, too late. Win9: Hopefully a goodie - but I think it will have to be to get over the Win8 debacle, in the same way the Win7 had to be with vista.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I get them from the majority of computer people that have a history with computers and are engrained in a way of doing things as you pointed out, which is fine, normal, and because of that changing to Windows 8 is not good; but for anyone that is not a computer geek, they most of the time are taken back and have bad things to say about Windows 8, but every single one of them that I have coached has come to realise why things are done the way their are done in Windows 8, and to get rid of Metro would be to go backwards for them.
That quick autocomplete box at the bottom of the Start Menu was an AMAZING addition to Win7... No more searching through that All Programs tree to find some obscure thing buried among five hundred other useless applications. Huge step forward. Being able to hit the start key, type a few letters, and hit enter to bring up an accessory like Calculator or Regedit or Notepad, without even touching the mouse or taking my eyes off what I'm doing... Huge step forward. Opening up a full-screen mess of live tiles every time I want to launch an application that I don't use often enough to put on my taskbar? Huge step backward. http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/windows-9-release-date-beta-preview-start-menu-screenshots[^] <-- That looks like a good start menu. That's what I'm waiting for.
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That quick autocomplete box at the bottom of the Start Menu was an AMAZING addition to Win7... No more searching through that All Programs tree to find some obscure thing buried among five hundred other useless applications. Huge step forward. Being able to hit the start key, type a few letters, and hit enter to bring up an accessory like Calculator or Regedit or Notepad, without even touching the mouse or taking my eyes off what I'm doing... Huge step forward. Opening up a full-screen mess of live tiles every time I want to launch an application that I don't use often enough to put on my taskbar? Huge step backward. http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/windows-9-release-date-beta-preview-start-menu-screenshots[^] <-- That looks like a good start menu. That's what I'm waiting for.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)In windows 8 - you just start typing from the start menu. You can still press the start key and just start typing. There is also a swipe bar on the right; move your mouse to the top right or bottom right, then move your mouse up or down to activate the Charms bar. You can click the search charm to locate a program you want.
