An Informative Poll - USA

Chris Losinger

i don't know anyone who believes that, either. but polls say that somewhere around 45% of americans think Saddam was personally involved in 9/11. here's one source for that number: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html[^]. -c

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Doug Goulden

Chris Losinger wrote: GWB has made the UN irrelevant by using the military/economic might of the US as a defense against anyone calling him on what may be a violation of the UN charter Do you think that Jaques Chirac has added to the problem making the UN irrelevant? If GW hadn't sent troops to the Gulf there would be no inspectors in Iraq. Seems like if SH doesn't see the threat of force he won't cooperate, and you remove the threat of force from the table, SH has no reason at all to follow any UN resolutions. France's announcement that they will veto any resolution for force removes the only tool that seems effective against SH. If you refuse to allow the use of the only tools available, namely the UN and force, you have removed the relevance of the UN. BTW France and the US did agree that the UN wasn't necessary in Kosovo when Russia threatened a veto......... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Mike Gaskey

Ed Gadziemski wrote: Does your endorsement of this article mean that had the UN been available in the 1860s, you would have wanted them to prevent the Union from waging war against the breakaway Confederate states? Nope - I posted the article because I was fascinated to find it at ArabNews.com Usually the articles there are internal Saudi Arabian news, features on Islam, slanted anti-Israeli reports or moderately anti-American and occasional pro-American reports. Mike

brianwelsch

So either we are both far removed from the gullible masses, or the poll's are invalid. ;) as usual the truth is somewhere in between. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

Lost User

My only take: When Kuwait was invaded, UN Security Council approved a war to liberate ir. It has not approved any no-fly zones. It has not approved any other action. If a UN resolution is not being adhered to, then UN Security council is the ONLY body that can authorize corrective action. Texas State cannot enforce US Federal law in NY, even if NY decides not to enforce them. If there is a grave danger to anyone, atleast three countries of the five that the world decided gives adequate representation of the world has to agree. AFAIK, France, China and Russia are opposing any military action now. US abandoning UN might be better than making a mockery of it. By making sure that resolutions against Israel and Kashmir are never enforced, the enforcement of a UN resolution is not mandatory. GWB and co seems to think that France is not entitled to any opinion that contradicts theirs; like they seem to think about everyone else including American people as well. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Chris Losinger

Doug Goulden wrote: Do you think that Jaques Chirac has added to the problem making the UN irrelevant? sure, Chirac is putting on a big show - but maybe that's because everybody in the world knows that GWB already said he was going to Iraq with or without UN support. so, he's just playing politics - as is GWB: it seems clear that GWB only went to the UN because of Powell, Blair and GHB. if he had listened to his chicken-hawks, we'd already be shipping our soldiers home in bags. but, he chose to try to get some UN credibility for his war, as a soothing balm for the angry masses. -c

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KaRl

" Do you favor or oppose allowing the government to use any means necessary, including physical torture, to obtain information from prisoners that might protect the United States from terrorist attacks" "If there were a possibility that a member of your own family could be saved, then would you favor or oppose allowing the government to use physical torture to obtain information from terrorist prisoners?" Is Fox trying to promote physical torture :wtf: ? BTW, Fox belongs to Murdoch's Evil Empire, doesn't it?

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Stan Shannon

Chris Losinger wrote: remember, without proof, a growing number of people think Saddam was behind 9/11. I don't know anyone who believes that. I even asked my 14 year old son about it and he told me he had never heard anyone make that connection. The only two groups of people I know are those who still don't know or care who Saddam Hussien is, and those who do know and think that, yes, the world would be better off without him - the sooner the better. The only connection Bush has ever made is that Iraq is a rouge state with terrible weapons and we are not going to wait around for another 9/ll to find out we should have kicked his ass much earlier. And Bush could very well be correct in that assessment. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: "If there were a possibility that a member of your own family could be saved, then would you favor or oppose allowing the government to use physical torture to obtain information from terrorist prisoners?" True confession here, if the US government or some other body caught someone who could reasonably be expected to have had knowledge about terrorist activities and was actively involved in them, you wouldn't see me crying any tears. However I believe that most of the interogation activities used by the US government probably involve drugs and mind games. BTW The reasonably part is the thing that is probably the most troubling. UBL is undoubtably a suitable cantidate, but I'm opposed strongly to just scooping people up. Unfortunately, when you are dealing with terrorism it seems awfully difficult to deal with it successfully without getting your hand dirty. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Chris Losinger

Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know anyone who believes that. 45% of people polled believe that. see reply above. Stan Shannon wrote: The only connection Bush has ever made is that Iraq is a rouge state with terrible weapons and we are not going to wait around for another 9/ll to find out we should have kicked his ass much earlier maybe he has never explicitly said "Saddam did it." but, he's been saying things along the lines of: ``Prior to September the 11th, there was apparently no connection between a place like Iraq and terror,'' he said. There were concerns about terrorists in Iraq, but no fear about a threat to the American homeland. ``... We were confident that two oceans could protect us from harm. [But...]the world changed on September the 11th.'' for a year and a half. If he doesn't want to link 9/11 and and Iraq, then he wouldn't be using them in the same sentence over and over and over in ways that make it sound like there is a connection. Either he wants to establish a link in our minds (which he has done for nearly half of the country), or he can't separate the two in his own mind (in which case he should be removed from office). -c

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John theKing

Rohit Sinha wrote: show them that we aren't all that bad. You are not bad, we know and i tell you that our leaders are not making too much propaganda, this is being done by the leaders of India. Mr. I heard in news few hours ago in which LK Advani was quoted saying that Pakistan province of Sindh will be the part of India within this decade. Now tell me after listening this statement, do you expect Pakistani people stop "hating" you.

David Wulff

Three things: I noticed question 15 had a significant section of the answers removed... :laugh: People pray for President Bush?! WTF? Is that like "please god may a giant piano fall from the sky", or "please make him comprehendable"? :~ Boycotting French/German produce? Man - I thought you guys were just joking about all that. How childish can you get? :wtf:

David Wulff

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Brit

Mike Gaskey wrote: The responses to question #26 highlights what I believe to be a growing grassroots desire (conservative circles) to consider the United Nations as irrelevant and an organization the US should abandon. Have you ever seen this website: http://www.getusout.com/[^] ? Mike Gaskey wrote: That would mean that the French position, promising to veto any second (okay, any 18th) resolution is having the reverse effect - which assumes that France would like the American public to support it's position. The French position is actually harder than most people realize. In an interview with Dominique de Villepin (foreign minister of France), the interviewer asked him what he would think if the US invaded Iraq and discovered thousands of tons of chemical weapons. He replied that it would mean that inspections should've been given more time. That's a cautious approach (because if he replies differently, and the US does find thousands of tons of chemical weapons, he'll look really bad). But, it's a terribly bad position to take. Essentially, it says that France will not, under any conditions, support military action against Iraq, so Iraq can do whatever it wants because the worst France will ever do is complain. Mike Gaskey wrote: _A follow up to my comments regarding the UN, interesting source. http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=23668\[^\]_ One of my friends (from India) complains a great deal about the UN and its lack of relevancy. It's easy to point instances where the UN has failed to prevent wars as 'evidence' that the UN is ineffectual. I don't see that as a very good complaint. Looking at the trend in wars over history, the number of inter-country wars in the world has been in decline. However, civil wars have been on the rise. Arguably, the UN has caused a reduction in inter-country wars. But, if the main complaint is that the UN isn't doing enough to stop wars, then we have to ask, "Would we fear the UN if it were more powerful?" Right now, the US has no rival in the world. The existence of a powerful UN military force would raise the possibility of the rise of a rogue UN leader threatening the US or imposing its will badly. If the UN was lead by a simple majority, the Communists would've been in control of the UN back in the Cold War. Further, there are instances of bad decis

Brit

David Wulff wrote: Boycotting French/German produce? Man - I thought you guys were just joking about all that. How childish can you get? Yeah, it's pretty stupid. A couple days ago, however, I saw a story about a town in the US that was declaring a "buy German/French" month, because they thought it was really stupid that people seriously talked about boycotting German/French products. :) ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: " Do you favor or oppose allowing the government to use any means necessary, including physical torture, to obtain information from prisoners that might protect the United States from terrorist attacks" Favor, no doubt at all. KaЯl wrote: "If there were a possibility that a member of your own family could be saved, then would you favor or oppose allowing the government to use physical torture to obtain information from terrorist prisoners?" Favor, no doubt at all. KaЯl wrote: Is Fox trying to promote physical torture ? That is a silly question, but you knew that. KaЯl wrote: BTW, Fox belongs to Murdoch's Evil Empire, doesn't it? Now you'll have to explain that one. Just how does a news reporting organization become "evil" - or is it because they allow news that hasn't been filtered through a leftist lens? Prior to FoxNews becoming available here in the USA, all the news was filtered through the leftist lens I just referenced. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN (okay, the Evil Turner Empire), CNN-HN (more of that evil) - all leaned left. With FoxNews as competition even MSNBC has tried and continues to try to get audience share by allowing a couple of conservative pundits on the air: Alan Keyes (one of the best, although they muzzled him and the show failed), Chris Matthews (could almost be considered a moderate, whatever the h*ll that is), and now Michael Savage who is to the right of Rush Limbaugh. FoxNews draws a large market share becaue they do allow a conservative view although they always balance it with a liberal view. The largest draw they have is an independent (few will agree)who adopts positions that vary depending on the subject. No one can compete with him in his time slot because he is an honest agent, Bill O'Reilly. Mike

Rohit Sinha

John-theKing wrote: I heard in news few hours ago in which LK Advani was quoted saying that Pakistan province of Sindh will be the part of India within this decade. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: This is exactly why I say that most of what you hear about us is propaganda. He did not say any such thing. What he did say however, was that if we accept the logic that Jammu and Kashmir should be separated from India because of the Muslim concentration, and because some very few people demand it, Sindh should be separated from Pakistan too. You can see that he was saying that just like it is unacceptable, wrong and illogical for Pakistan to make Sindh separate, it is unacceptable, wrong and illogical for India to let Jammu and Kashmir go. Your news agencies are obviously twisting the fact to sensationalize it, because that's how they can get higher viewship/readership. And politicians will once again use it to feed even more hatred and use it to their advantage. There is absolutely no plan to make Sindh a part of India. Your news agencies and politicians are lying to you. Open your eyes, and don't believe everything you see on the news blindly. BTW, you guys have been trying to make Jammu and Kashmir a part of Pakistan for half a century now. And you have been occupying a large portion of it too. What do you suggest we should feel? But hatred is not the answer. Being educated, you are expected to use your brains, think coherently, refuse the drivel fed by media and politicians and see things for what they are. If guys like you cannot do it, how can other not so fortunate like you be expected to do it?
Regards,

Rohit Sinha

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Anonymous

Chris Losinger wrote: 45% of people polled believe that. see reply above. Hmmmm, you would think that I would have met at least a few of them... Chris Losinger wrote: maybe he has never explicitly said "Saddam did it." but, he's been saying things along the lines of: I think you are completely missing the point he is clearly trying to make. He is saying that 9/11 demonstrates that the US must take preemptive actions against potentials threats from terrorist groups and rouge states. If we had taken serious preemptive actions against bin Ladin, 9/11 would have never happened. If we don't take serious preemptive actions against Saddam Hussien now, another 9/11 is far more likely. We simply cannot set here as a huge target and let ourselves be attacked before we decide to act. That is probably a prudent position to take. Anyone in the oval office would have done something similar. Frankly, I don't like the strategy and politics Bush is using, I think it is sadly typical of this generation of politicians. But considering the amount of opposition he gets for even the most modest use of our power, I think his behaivor is somewhat understandable.

David Wulff

Sounds good - I can remmeber the French and German breakfast days at high school (you turn up to your language lesson and find a regional feast - and I do mean a feast - laid out before you). Whilst the Frnech make the best bread products, the Germans sure now how to eat meat! Yummy! :)

David Wulff

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Imran Farooqui

Rohit Sinha wrote: it is unacceptable, wrong and illogical for India to let Jammu and Kashmir go. No, it is not the part of India. It is a disputed territory as declared by the United Nations (and not Pak media). It can only become part of India if India is ready to impose UN resolution (which Pakistan already agreed) OR In order to shut the mouth of Pakistan, India can again ask UN to cancel its old resolution. Rohit Sinha wrote: Your news agencies and politicians are lying to you. I heard the news about LK Advani on Zee News. Rohit Sinha wrote: And you have been occupying a large portion of it too. The part under Pakistan control is independent, it has its own constitution, own budget, own currency and own passport. Yes its defence is under Pakistan control which is also declared in UN resolution, when LOC was established that both governments are responsible for the security of disputed territory. Rohit Sinha wrote: And you have been occupying a large portion of it too. Shhhhhhhhhh. no complains here, go to UN.

Rohit Sinha

Aw, comeon Imran! :) Imran Farooqui wrote: No, it is not the part of India. It is a disputed territory as declared by the United Nations (and not Pak media). It has always been a part of India. Pakistan was the one who started the dispute, remember? The Kashmiris/Indians didn't. The UN resolution doesn't say that the land is "disputed". It says that the people have the right to self determination, and their wishes should be determined in a fair and free-from-fear environment (my own words, not the UN's). As far as I remember, the environment in Jammu and Kashmir has never been peaceful and never been conducive to a free and fair referendum, because of the terrorists and militants. And besides that, the people there have already voted and brought an Indian party to run the government, despite threats to not do so from the terrorists/militants. How is that for who wants to go where? The UN resolution is old and outdated IMO and I think our politicians are trying to do something about it. Imran Farooqui wrote: I heard the news about LK Advani on Zee News. Even I saw it on Zee News. Obviously, either you didn't listen to it carefully, or you have now forgotten the details. Here is the link from the zeenews website. Clickety[^] From the article: "Let it be understood that if the right to self determination is to be applied to various countries, including Pakistan, Sindh will not be part of Pakistan," he said. As you can see if you read the article, he was merely saying that if self determination means a separate nation on the grounds of ethnic and cultural diversity, then there are other nations who have to be broken down in parts. Never did he say that India will make Sindh a part of its own, as the poster above claimed. :| How far can you go twisting facts? Imran Farooqui wrote: Shhhhhhhhhh. no complains here, go to UN. Tell that to the poster above. :) I am the one who wants to bring friendship and a cordial relationship between the two countries. But it seems not everyone wants it. :)
Regards,

Rohit Sinha