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  • S sloosecannon

    I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

    ...
    if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
    return "null";
    }
    ...

    Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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    Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    In programming a null object means that this doesn't exist in the memory. For example,

    int i;

    if(i == null) {
    MessageBox.Show("Yes, Null!");
    } else {
    MessageBox.Show("No, value was added somewhere in the code stack");
    }

    This, would execute if there is no value in i, or the i was never initialized. The code that you're having is something like this

    // if the variable of value is not initialized
    // or contains nothing, does not exist in memory
    // .equals(null) is a string method, to check string value
    // and has same functionality
    if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
    // then return a string that is NOT null but contains "null"
    return "null";
    }

    The method signature would be like,

    public string Function1 () {
    // returns a string
    }

    Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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    • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

      In programming a null object means that this doesn't exist in the memory. For example,

      int i;

      if(i == null) {
      MessageBox.Show("Yes, Null!");
      } else {
      MessageBox.Show("No, value was added somewhere in the code stack");
      }

      This, would execute if there is no value in i, or the i was never initialized. The code that you're having is something like this

      // if the variable of value is not initialized
      // or contains nothing, does not exist in memory
      // .equals(null) is a string method, to check string value
      // and has same functionality
      if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
      // then return a string that is NOT null but contains "null"
      return "null";
      }

      The method signature would be like,

      public string Function1 () {
      // returns a string
      }

      Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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      sloosecannon
      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      I understand the concept of null, however, evidently "those who came before" didn't... Hence why I'm posting this here ;)

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      • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

        In programming a null object means that this doesn't exist in the memory. For example,

        int i;

        if(i == null) {
        MessageBox.Show("Yes, Null!");
        } else {
        MessageBox.Show("No, value was added somewhere in the code stack");
        }

        This, would execute if there is no value in i, or the i was never initialized. The code that you're having is something like this

        // if the variable of value is not initialized
        // or contains nothing, does not exist in memory
        // .equals(null) is a string method, to check string value
        // and has same functionality
        if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
        // then return a string that is NOT null but contains "null"
        return "null";
        }

        The method signature would be like,

        public string Function1 () {
        // returns a string
        }

        Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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        OriginalGriff
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        See the text at the top of the page: "a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance." Nearly everything here is found in real code and will hopefully make you go :doh: :WTF: :OMG: And laugh that anyone could think that the right thing to do... Generally, explanations and code fragment after the original are expected to make even less sense: just to prove it can be done! :laugh: For example, another way to do the original method would be

        public object IsNull(object o)
        {
        try
        {
        return o.Equals(null) ? o : o;
        }
        catch
        {
        return null;
        }
        }

        But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that! Oops. I just did... :-O

        You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

          In programming a null object means that this doesn't exist in the memory. For example,

          int i;

          if(i == null) {
          MessageBox.Show("Yes, Null!");
          } else {
          MessageBox.Show("No, value was added somewhere in the code stack");
          }

          This, would execute if there is no value in i, or the i was never initialized. The code that you're having is something like this

          // if the variable of value is not initialized
          // or contains nothing, does not exist in memory
          // .equals(null) is a string method, to check string value
          // and has same functionality
          if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
          // then return a string that is NOT null but contains "null"
          return "null";
          }

          The method signature would be like,

          public string Function1 () {
          // returns a string
          }

          Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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          Paulo Zemek
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          The problem is not the result of "null", the problem is the value.equals(null). The first part of the if is right (value == null). The second is wrong and it would actually never execute when the value is null (and when it does execute, value will not be null, avoiding an exception).

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            See the text at the top of the page: "a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance." Nearly everything here is found in real code and will hopefully make you go :doh: :WTF: :OMG: And laugh that anyone could think that the right thing to do... Generally, explanations and code fragment after the original are expected to make even less sense: just to prove it can be done! :laugh: For example, another way to do the original method would be

            public object IsNull(object o)
            {
            try
            {
            return o.Equals(null) ? o : o;
            }
            catch
            {
            return null;
            }
            }

            But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that! Oops. I just did... :-O

            You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

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            Brisingr Aerowing
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            OriginalGriff wrote:

            But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that!, and think that it is good code! Oops. I just did... :O

            FTFY!

            What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? --- The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              See the text at the top of the page: "a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance." Nearly everything here is found in real code and will hopefully make you go :doh: :WTF: :OMG: And laugh that anyone could think that the right thing to do... Generally, explanations and code fragment after the original are expected to make even less sense: just to prove it can be done! :laugh: For example, another way to do the original method would be

              public object IsNull(object o)
              {
              try
              {
              return o.Equals(null) ? o : o;
              }
              catch
              {
              return null;
              }
              }

              But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that! Oops. I just did... :-O

              You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

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              sloosecannon
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              Mmmh, yeah, there's stuff like that in there too. I'll have to see if I can anonymize it enough to be internet postable. Let's just say someone did not understand object oriented coding and how Java works. We got to use this library before we actually took over developing it as contractors, and all the problems we had with it before are starting to make sense now...

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              • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                In programming a null object means that this doesn't exist in the memory. For example,

                int i;

                if(i == null) {
                MessageBox.Show("Yes, Null!");
                } else {
                MessageBox.Show("No, value was added somewhere in the code stack");
                }

                This, would execute if there is no value in i, or the i was never initialized. The code that you're having is something like this

                // if the variable of value is not initialized
                // or contains nothing, does not exist in memory
                // .equals(null) is a string method, to check string value
                // and has same functionality
                if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                // then return a string that is NOT null but contains "null"
                return "null";
                }

                The method signature would be like,

                public string Function1 () {
                // returns a string
                }

                Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                euhm, isn't

                int i;

                never null (it can't be null, that's where int? i is for ;-)) (in C# that is) (just double checked, you cannot even compile if not initialized, in the immediate window it initialized to 0)

                V.
                (MQOTD rules and previous solutions)

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                • S sloosecannon

                  I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

                  ...
                  if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                  return "null";
                  }
                  ...

                  Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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                  Vark111
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  Well, clearly they didn't apply the proper Yoda-ordered syntax in the if statement. Should have read thus:

                  if (null == value || (null).equals(value)) {

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                  • S sloosecannon

                    I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

                    ...
                    if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                    return "null";
                    }
                    ...

                    Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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                    jeron1
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    sloosecannon wrote:

                    What is null..... Equal to?

                    Don't know, I'm having difficulty getting past the brace placement.

                    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst

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                    • J jeron1

                      sloosecannon wrote:

                      What is null..... Equal to?

                      Don't know, I'm having difficulty getting past the brace placement.

                      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst

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                      sloosecannon
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      Eh, not my choice. Code style rules...

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                      • V Vark111

                        Well, clearly they didn't apply the proper Yoda-ordered syntax in the if statement. Should have read thus:

                        if (null == value || (null).equals(value)) {

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                        sloosecannon
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        Which can be simplified to

                        if (null==value)
                        {
                        throw new NullPointerException();//It was null, we don't like their kind here
                        }
                        else
                        {
                        //Do something
                        }

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          See the text at the top of the page: "a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance." Nearly everything here is found in real code and will hopefully make you go :doh: :WTF: :OMG: And laugh that anyone could think that the right thing to do... Generally, explanations and code fragment after the original are expected to make even less sense: just to prove it can be done! :laugh: For example, another way to do the original method would be

                          public object IsNull(object o)
                          {
                          try
                          {
                          return o.Equals(null) ? o : o;
                          }
                          catch
                          {
                          return null;
                          }
                          }

                          But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that! Oops. I just did... :-O

                          You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

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                          Rob Grainger
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that!

                          Q.E.D. (Sorry too easy)

                          "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                          • J jeron1

                            sloosecannon wrote:

                            What is null..... Equal to?

                            Don't know, I'm having difficulty getting past the brace placement.

                            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst

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                            Rob Grainger
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                            #16

                            Nothing wrong with that. It's very common. K&R Style[^]

                            "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                            • S sloosecannon

                              Which can be simplified to

                              if (null==value)
                              {
                              throw new NullPointerException();//It was null, we don't like their kind here
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              //Do something
                              }

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                              Lost User
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              If it was VB, yes, but not in C#. If it is null, the second part will not be evaluated. It's effectively a dead condition. So, it won't blow up - thanks to this oversight. I vaguely remember a manager who claimed that we always should use ".equals" for comparisons, and that it was a best practice. Using the operator is not only more readable, it also does not depend on the object having a value.

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                              • L Lost User

                                If it was VB, yes, but not in C#. If it is null, the second part will not be evaluated. It's effectively a dead condition. So, it won't blow up - thanks to this oversight. I vaguely remember a manager who claimed that we always should use ".equals" for comparisons, and that it was a best practice. Using the operator is not only more readable, it also does not depend on the object having a value.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                sloosecannon
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                Woops, logic derp. Yep, you're right. The code is Java for context, but it does lazy logic evaluation too...

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                                • L Lost User

                                  If it was VB, yes, but not in C#. If it is null, the second part will not be evaluated. It's effectively a dead condition. So, it won't blow up - thanks to this oversight. I vaguely remember a manager who claimed that we always should use ".equals" for comparisons, and that it was a best practice. Using the operator is not only more readable, it also does not depend on the object having a value.

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                  Richard Deeming
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                                  #19

                                  Taking the code from Vark111's post, and assuming C#:

                                  if (null == value || (null).Equals(value)) {

                                  If value isn't null, the second part will be evaluated. Since the second part tries to call the Equals method on a null reference, it would throw a NullReferenceException. :doh: Thankfully, the C# compiler is smart enough to prevent you from compiling this code - you'll get an "Operator '.' cannot be applied to operand of type '<null>'" compiler error.


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                                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                  • S sloosecannon

                                    I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

                                    ...
                                    if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                                    return "null";
                                    }
                                    ...

                                    Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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                                    ColborneGreg
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                                    #20

                                    Empty memory is a variable that is declared without a value Null memory is a variable that does not have a memory location Same goes with null from files.

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                                    • S sloosecannon

                                      I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

                                      ...
                                      if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                                      return "null";
                                      }
                                      ...

                                      Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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                                      sankarsan parida
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #21

                                      “==” compares if the object references are same while “.Equals()” compares if the contents are same. So if you run the below code both “==” and “.Equals()” returns true because content as well as references are same.

                                      object o = ".NET Interview questions";
                                      object o1 = o;
                                      Console.WriteLine(o == o1);
                                      Console.WriteLine(o.Equals(o1));
                                      Console.ReadLine();

                                      True True Now consider the below code where we have same content but they point towards different instances. So if you run the below code both “==” will return false and “.Equals()” will return true.

                                      object o = ".NET Interview questions";
                                      object o1 = new string(".NET Interview questions".ToCharArray());
                                      Console.WriteLine(o == o1);
                                      Console.WriteLine(o.Equals(o1));
                                      Console.ReadLine();

                                      False True

                                      Sankarsan Parida

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                                      • S sloosecannon

                                        I come before you with a question, a yearning in my heart. What is null..... Equal to?

                                        ...
                                        if (value == null || value.equals(null)) {
                                        return "null";
                                        }
                                        ...

                                        Evidently, the concept of "null" and "null pointers" and "null pointer calls" is lost on the guys who wrote this particular line of code. It doesn't make any errors, probably because someone added the first condition after a few NPEs happened... EDIT: Clarification - the title is rhetorical.

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                                        Munchies_Matt
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #22

                                        sloosecannon wrote:

                                        What is null equal to?

                                        The place I worked in Germany?

                                        Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          See the text at the top of the page: "a place to post Coding Horrors, Worst Practices, and the occasional flash of brilliance." Nearly everything here is found in real code and will hopefully make you go :doh: :WTF: :OMG: And laugh that anyone could think that the right thing to do... Generally, explanations and code fragment after the original are expected to make even less sense: just to prove it can be done! :laugh: For example, another way to do the original method would be

                                          public object IsNull(object o)
                                          {
                                          try
                                          {
                                          return o.Equals(null) ? o : o;
                                          }
                                          catch
                                          {
                                          return null;
                                          }
                                          }

                                          But you'd have to be a complete moron to write that! Oops. I just did... :-O

                                          You looking for sympathy? You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric (Page 1788, if it helps)

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                                          Rob Grainger
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #23

                                          Q.E.D. (Sorry, it was just sitting there waiting for it).

                                          "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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