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  • K Kevin Marois

    You know, I'm fairly good with MVC 4 Web Services. Any reason I shouldn't use that?

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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    Ravi Bhavnani
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    No, I think that's a good idea.  If your server talks JSON, you could also use it with native mobile clients. /ravi

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      No, I think that's a good idea.  If your server talks JSON, you could also use it with native mobile clients. /ravi

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      Kevin Marois
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      Agreed. And it should be fairly simple.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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      • K Kevin Marois

        Agreed. And it should be fairly simple.

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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        Ravi Bhavnani
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        Have you considered using a Jabber server instead of writing one from scratch? /ravi

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        • K Kevin Marois

          I want to create a simple chat app. I would like to host it on my server and allow one-to-many people to chat. I'd like to do it myself as a learning experience. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Several years ago I wrote one that was just WinForms-to-SQL-Server, then I started working on a WCF service for it (again, it was quite a while ago), but since then it has stagnated. It's something I'd like to finish for an article. Calling it a "chat app" isn't terribly accurate, as it is something between that and a simple e-mail system. It supports message threads (like forum posts here on CP) and delayed delivery for recipient(s) who are offline.

          Kevin Marois wrote:

          as a learning experience

          Should be a good way to learn the communication framework du jour and allow clients to be created for a number of devices.

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            Several years ago I wrote one that was just WinForms-to-SQL-Server, then I started working on a WCF service for it (again, it was quite a while ago), but since then it has stagnated. It's something I'd like to finish for an article. Calling it a "chat app" isn't terribly accurate, as it is something between that and a simple e-mail system. It supports message threads (like forum posts here on CP) and delayed delivery for recipient(s) who are offline.

            Kevin Marois wrote:

            as a learning experience

            Should be a good way to learn the communication framework du jour and allow clients to be created for a number of devices.

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            Kevin Marois
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            I'm thinking I could create a Web API that maintains a list of Conversations. Each Conversation would have a unique Id and a list of Participants. The only problem I see is the API notifying clients that they have a message. I'm guessing a callback of some sort would do the trick.

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            • K Kevin Marois

              I want to create a simple chat app. I would like to host it on my server and allow one-to-many people to chat. I'd like to do it myself as a learning experience. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thank you

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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              raju melveetilpurayil
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              SignalR will be a better component for a chat application. I done a real-time time application with SignalR.. Its very interesting :cool:

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              • R raju melveetilpurayil

                SignalR will be a better component for a chat application. I done a real-time time application with SignalR.. Its very interesting :cool:

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                Kevin Marois
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                Except is seems to be designed around ASP.Net. My usage will NOT be asp.Net

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  Except is seems to be designed around ASP.Net. My usage will NOT be asp.Net

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                  raju melveetilpurayil
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                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                  My usage will NOT be asp.Net

                  So what language are you going to use?:~

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                  • R raju melveetilpurayil

                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                    My usage will NOT be asp.Net

                    So what language are you going to use?:~

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                    Kevin Marois
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                    Language? C# ASP.Net is not a language. It's a Web Development platform

                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                    • K Kevin Marois

                      Language? C# ASP.Net is not a language. It's a Web Development platform

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                      raju melveetilpurayil
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                      my bad.. forgot the forum title :( .. thought about PHP and Java .. apologies

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        I'm thinking I could create a Web API that maintains a list of Conversations. Each Conversation would have a unique Id and a list of Participants. The only problem I see is the API notifying clients that they have a message. I'm guessing a callback of some sort would do the trick.

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Kevin Marois wrote:

                        Each Conversation would have a unique Id and a list of Participants.

                        I put it in a database. Each message has its own ID, the ID of its parent, and the ID of the first message in the thread. Each message also has its own set of recipients (many-to-many relationship between Message and User). The client could then display each message as it arrives, or show the entire thread in a TreeView.

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                        API notifying clients

                        "Push" sucks; always has, always will. I always use polling; it allows the client/user to control frequency or even disable polling altogether. I also put in a "get messages now" feature. The server should only handle requests as they are made and not try to keep track of all the possible connections or it won't scale well. You probably also don't want to waste cycles re-trying broadcasts to clients that have lost connectivity. If no one is asking for data, don't try to send it; just wait.

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                        • K Kevin Marois

                          You know, I'm fairly good with MVC 4 Web Services. Any reason I shouldn't use that?

                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                          I'm fairly good with MVC 4 Web Services

                          Then it might be a good opportunity to teach rather than learn. :-D

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            Kevin Marois wrote:

                            I'm fairly good with MVC 4 Web Services

                            Then it might be a good opportunity to teach rather than learn. :-D

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                            Kevin Marois
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                            The part I'm not sure about is getting notifications in the client from the Server. Ever done this?

                            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                            • K Kevin Marois

                              The part I'm not sure about is getting notifications in the client from the Server. Ever done this?

                              If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Details. Details. Don't bother me with details. (I don't even know what MVC 4 is.)

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                              • P PIEBALDconsult

                                Kevin Marois wrote:

                                Each Conversation would have a unique Id and a list of Participants.

                                I put it in a database. Each message has its own ID, the ID of its parent, and the ID of the first message in the thread. Each message also has its own set of recipients (many-to-many relationship between Message and User). The client could then display each message as it arrives, or show the entire thread in a TreeView.

                                Kevin Marois wrote:

                                API notifying clients

                                "Push" sucks; always has, always will. I always use polling; it allows the client/user to control frequency or even disable polling altogether. I also put in a "get messages now" feature. The server should only handle requests as they are made and not try to keep track of all the possible connections or it won't scale well. You probably also don't want to waste cycles re-trying broadcasts to clients that have lost connectivity. If no one is asking for data, don't try to send it; just wait.

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                                Kevin Marois
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                                Ok but with polling the client would have to make queries every 2 or 3 seconds to get close to real time

                                If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                • K Kevin Marois

                                  Ok but with polling the client would have to make queries every 2 or 3 seconds to get close to real time

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                  PIEBALDconsult
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                                  Yes, only as frequently as the user wants.

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