US should invade North Korea instead of Iraq

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Joao Paulo Figueira

Are we in the XXI century? :eek: Problem is: how does one sort out the North Korea mess?

Mike Gaskey

We'll do it on the way home from Iraq. Unless the UN objects. Oh, wait. Is France in bed with them too? Mike

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: We'll do it on the way home from Iraq. Unless the UN objects. Oh, wait. Is France in bed with them too? IMhO the US administration is psychotic enough to target France next time, and after that any other country which would dare to oppose the American Empire.

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Jon Newman

KaЯl wrote: dare to oppose the American Empire. How long till a spanish inquisition style regime comes into the US. All those in the US opposed to american world domination will be sought out and imprisoned. no..wait...didn't they already do that with communism? McCarthy wasn't it ?

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Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: target France next time It isn't worth the minimal effort it would take, so don't lose any sleep. Mike

KaRl

Yeah, it's easier to attack a disarming country, isn't it?

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Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: IMhO the US administration is psychotic enough to target France next time Get real, you don't see any American colonies... That was the French who colonized Africa and look how well that turned out. The French people don't speak German now because the US came to their aid. We didn't stay in France to colonize France. Why is the average US citizen so upset with France? Your government has decided to not only oppose the idea of enforcing the UN resolution 1441 but has actively worked to gather opposition against us and the UK. Any wonder why the US would suspect that either : 1. The French have some interest in Iraq, beyond the supposed concern over the Iraqi people? BTW yesterday was the 15th aniversary of Saddam gassing the Kurds. 5000 dead. 2. France is on some kind of power trip trying to restore her past glory. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: The French people don't speak German now because the US came to their aid You're overestimating the role of the US during WW2 by forgetting the indisputable role of USSR and UK. The victory was possible because of an international alliance, not because of one country, whichever this country is. Moreover, if France kept a role after WW2, it has to thank much more Churchill than Roosevelt. Doug Goulden wrote: We didn't stay in France to colonize France The US planned to administrate France directly through an allied military government (AMGOT) in 1944, it's not that far from colonization. There are other possibilities than occupation to colonize a country. For example, I don't see the difference between a governor and installing a puppet government (for example Greece 1967, Chile 1973) Doug Goulden wrote: Your government has decided to not only oppose the idea of enforcing the UN resolution 1441 but has actively worked to gather opposition against us and the UK. It's an over-simplification. My government refused an automatic war response, probably fearing US will use it to wage war whatever happens. We have seen in the past the value of the bush's administration evidences, I understand my government lacks of confidence. The resolution asks for the disarmament of Iraq, which is actually working, according to UN inspectors. Since the beginning, the US administration wants war, and didn't search at any time to find a real solution to avoid it, on the contrary. Because France (and Russia, China, Germany and a bunch of others) opposes currently an unnecessary war to complete UN1441, so it has to oppose the US, because of the US intransigence. We have the right to have our own ideas and to defend them, haven't we? Or are we obliged to follow the US diplomaty as a good satellite state? Doug Goulden wrote: BTW yesterday was the 15th aniversary of Saddam gassing the Kurds. 5000 dead. Yesterday was also the 35th anniversary of the My Lai massacre. Doug Goulden wrote: Any wonder why the US would suspect that either I don't know if both your reasons are valid, I don't know what happens behind the scene. However, IMHO: 1- The interest I see is to avoid our potential sources for oil been all controled by one foreign state, threatening our energy provisioning sources. I don't believe it's the primary reason of the French opposition, but

Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: Yesterday was also the 35th anniversary of the My Lai massacre A bad affair, but also a former French colony.;P KaЯl wrote: The interest I see is to avoid our potential sources for oil been all controled by one foreign state Is that why it was important for the French to send parts for the Iraqi owned French built Mirage fighters as recently as January? I don't see the US keeping Iraq, we didn't occupy Kuwait, they are still the same government as they were before. KaЯl wrote: The US planned to administrate France directly through an allied military government (AMGOT) in 1944, it's not that far from colonization What the hell are you talking about? France is a free country (granted you had to elect Chiraq). There were people who pushed for the US to continue on into Russia after WW2, we didn't do that either. As far as puppet government, the US (and France) have both had their past indescretions. You don't see us knocking over the Phillipine government when the US Navy was asked to leave, we didn't attack France in the 60's when De Gaulle wanted us out. Remarkably enough the guy you (France) ending invaded Kuwait, murders his own people, and has never listene to the UN resolutions. KaЯl wrote: We are searching for an european future, not for a french imperialism revival With French trying to become increasingly important Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: A bad affair only that? Doug Goulden wrote: but also a former French colony Haven't we already discussed this point ;P ? Doug Goulden wrote: Is that why it was important for the French to send parts for the Iraqi owned French built Mirage fighters as recently as January I suppose you know that in our days the value of an aircraft s relative to its electronic equipment. The iraqui mirages are equipped with electronic and radars from the '50s... Doug Goulden wrote: don't see the US keeping Iraq, we didn't occupy Kuwait, they are still the same government as they were before. Oh, I'm sure that as long as the Kuwaiti government will fit the US objectives, everything will be alright. Doug Goulden wrote: You don't see us knocking over the Phillipine government when the US Navy was asked to leave, we didn't attack France in the 60's when De Gaulle wanted us out That's true the US didn't act as the former USSR, but they are far from being innocent (as any other country which tried to influence the world). Search for the role of the CIA in the examples I gave previously. Doug Goulden wrote: With French trying to become increasingly important You're remarks could be true on a cultural dimension, but IMHO not on a political one.

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Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: I suppose you know that in our days the value of an aircraft s relative to its electronic equipment. The iraqui mirages are equipped with electronic and radars from the '50s... I realize that, but there has been an embargo placed againt the Iraqi government, and Mirage fighter parts weren't supposed to be allowed. BTW the ballistic missle submarine I was staioned on was built with 1950's technology..... I fail to see that the fact the weapon are old they aren't potentially deadly. KaЯl wrote: Search for the role of the CIA in the examples I gave previously Ths CIA did do a lot of shady things in the past. That was part of the reason for the Presidential ban on assasinations and the increase in Congressional oversight. It could be argued even that the CIA was so effectively muzzled that it in part contributed to the failure of our intelligence community prior to 9/11. The role of the CIA and FBI are debated frequently and loudly in the US even prior to the recent security increases. I think they tend to fall into the necessary evil category. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: I fail to see that the fact the weapon are old they aren't potentially deadly Yep, they could use them as kamikaze. But I don't believe Iraqui Air Force is a real problem for the USAF, Navy and Marines (did I forget someone? :)) Doug Goulden wrote: failure of our intelligence community prior to 9/11 Did any other foreign intelligence service forecast the attack? :confused:

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Doug Goulden

KaЯl wrote: did I forget someone Hell yeah, US NAVY! Anyone who can land a jet on a postage stamp deserves credit. KaЯl wrote: any other foreign intelligence service forecast the attack Not specifically, I think that there was some indication that something might be up, but no specific info. There were reports that the FBI had had some agents note that there was an increase in numbers of foreign nationals taking pilot lessons. Unfortunatly the threat wasn't acted on. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: Hell yeah, US NAVY! Anyone who can land a jet on a postage stamp deserves credit. KaЯl wrote: is a real problem for the USAF, Navy and Marines (did I forget someone? ) nutnutnut... :rolleyes:

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Doug Goulden

You Frenchies are evil;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?