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Mike Mullikin wrote: the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish I'd like to point out that just because a policy has been around for hundreds of years does not mean that it is the best way. Take, for example, slavery or the death penalty, or about half a million other laws in the history of the world. Not that I have too many quarrels with the Electorial College, but there's always room for improvement. Daniel E. Blanchard
Danny Blanchard wrote: I'd like to point out that just because a policy has been around for hundreds of years does not mean that it is the best way. Agreed, but I've seen dems whining about the rules after the fact. If we decide to dump the electoral college and do a straight popular vote then it needs to be decided between elections not during one. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: His guy lost an election and he can't handle it. Plain & simple. no. it was a fucking analogy, not a grand political statement or indictment of GWB's legitimacy. note that my analogy doesn't say the play was stopped - only that there was confusion after the fumble. i didn't say a fucking thing about the Electoral College and i've never disputed that GWB is the legitmate president. i only dispute that he is the best man for the job. Mike Mullikin wrote: He certainly won't point out the 100's of thousands of "bad" ballots in such Democratic strongholds as Chicago, LA, San Fransisco, Boston nor will i point out Republican election tampering in the 2002 elections. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: not a grand political statement or indictment of GWB's legitimacy. note that my analogy doesn't say the play was stopped - only that there was confusion. "GWB got the ball, but nobody on either side knew if the play was still legal." "he got his chance thanks to a lucky call in an iffy situation" Really? Chris Losinger wrote: i've never disputed the GWB is the legitmate president Chris Losinger wrote: nor will i point out Republican election tampering in the 2002 elections. Interesting couple of quotes in one message. P.S. Your editing of your original message content is damned annoying!! Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: His guy lost an election maybe Mike Mullikin wrote: and he can't handle it. I don't think so Mike Mullikin wrote: other nonsense nonsense it is not, they are facts Mike Mullikin wrote: post-election investigation of the Florida vote counts make Bush the winner. please tell me who runs these post-election investigations, smarty. Mike Mullikin wrote: He'll ignore the fact that the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish. you are mis-lead. Mike Mullikin wrote: Or maybe it was just a bad analogy. sports is parallel to American society, I think, in many ways. Later,
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Rolling StonesJoeSox wrote: please tell me who runs these post-election investigations, smarty. Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies. JoeSox wrote: sports is parallel to American society, I think, in many ways. Maybe, but not in all things. I thought the analogy was silly. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Chris Losinger wrote: not a grand political statement or indictment of GWB's legitimacy. note that my analogy doesn't say the play was stopped - only that there was confusion. "GWB got the ball, but nobody on either side knew if the play was still legal." "he got his chance thanks to a lucky call in an iffy situation" Really? Chris Losinger wrote: i've never disputed the GWB is the legitmate president Chris Losinger wrote: nor will i point out Republican election tampering in the 2002 elections. Interesting couple of quotes in one message. P.S. Your editing of your original message content is damned annoying!! Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Really? yes. Mike Mullikin wrote: Interesting couple of quotes in one message. what? GWB was elected in 2000, not 2002. there is plenty of evidence that the GOP was screwing around with the last (2002) mid-term elections. Mike Mullikin wrote: Your editing of your original message content is damned annoying take it up with ChrisM -c
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Really? yes. Mike Mullikin wrote: Interesting couple of quotes in one message. what? GWB was elected in 2000, not 2002. there is plenty of evidence that the GOP was screwing around with the last (2002) mid-term elections. Mike Mullikin wrote: Your editing of your original message content is damned annoying take it up with ChrisM -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: take it up with ChrisM He's not the one doing it. You're an intelligent guy, a number of folks look up to your coding skills (myself included), your wit (myself included) and even your politics (ummm... not so much on this one ;P ). IMHO it takes away from your credibility when you make sometimes wholesale changes to your posts. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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Chris Losinger wrote: take it up with ChrisM He's not the one doing it. You're an intelligent guy, a number of folks look up to your coding skills (myself included), your wit (myself included) and even your politics (ummm... not so much on this one ;P ). IMHO it takes away from your credibility when you make sometimes wholesale changes to your posts. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: IMHO it takes away from your credibility when you make sometimes wholesale changes to your posts. my gut reactions are often not my best. -c
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JoeSox wrote: please tell me who runs these post-election investigations, smarty. Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies. JoeSox wrote: sports is parallel to American society, I think, in many ways. Maybe, but not in all things. I thought the analogy was silly. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies. really? investigations? Are you sure they just weren't reporting the news? Please send me as much information/links you have about these, since you are being so thorough I would love to see you validate your brass statements. Mike Mullikin wrote: He'll ignore the fact that the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish. Perhaps, it were people like you that signers seen that were not bright enough to make a truly informed decision for electing representatives, thus having to make an electoral process. You must have way to much trust in your government bureaucracy to be whining about people whining about the electorial. Later,
JoeSox
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they taught words like "truth" and "diplomacy" in school? "Monday will be the day of truth for the world". Is he going to tell us something we didn't know, or is truth now (again) delivered in the belly of a B1? "Tomorrow we will decide if diplomacy works or not"* um, like, "You will agree with us. Resistance is futile." Sheesh, if this is the "leader of the free world", "free" has come down a long way again.
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sometimes in (american) football, there's a play that goes very badly for the offense, and some unsuspecting defensive player miraculously ends up with the ball. after standing there bewildered for a second or two, not sure exactly what to do (since he's never had the ball before in a real game), he starts running downfield. while the (former) offense stands there equally as bewildered, not sure if a ref will throw a flag and stop the play, or if they should chase the guy with the ball, just in case. seconds tick by, then the offense realizes they can't catch the guy cause he's already 30 yeards downfield, and it looks like he's gonna score, no matter what anyone does. that's what this whole GWB presidency feels like, to me. somebody fumbled, GWB got the ball, but nobody on either side knew if the play was still legal. GWB wasn't sure either at first, but then he took off running. he got his chance thanks to a lucky call in an iffy situation and now he's halfway down the field and nobody knows what he's gonna do. he's not even sure what he's suppposed to do - he wasn't trained for this! so he's just running as fast as he can. will he score? will he trip over himself in his excitement? will he run into the crowd and kill a bunch of people? -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: will he score? will he trip over himself in his excitement? will he run into the crowd and kill a bunch of people Actually, I think he is running in the wrong direction. Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies. really? investigations? Are you sure they just weren't reporting the news? Please send me as much information/links you have about these, since you are being so thorough I would love to see you validate your brass statements. Mike Mullikin wrote: He'll ignore the fact that the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish. Perhaps, it were people like you that signers seen that were not bright enough to make a truly informed decision for electing representatives, thus having to make an electoral process. You must have way to much trust in your government bureaucracy to be whining about people whining about the electorial. Later,
JoeSox
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It's not easy facin' up when your whole world is black
Rolling StonesJoeSox wrote: Perhaps, it were people like you that signers seen that were not bright enough to make a truly informed decision for electing representatives, thus having to make an electoral process. When the childish insults start, I know I've hit a nerve and someone feels threatened. Have a great day! Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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JoeSox wrote: Perhaps, it were people like you that signers seen that were not bright enough to make a truly informed decision for electing representatives, thus having to make an electoral process. When the childish insults start, I know I've hit a nerve and someone feels threatened. Have a great day! Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Mike Mullikin wrote: When the childish insults start, I know I've hit a nerve and someone feels threatened. Dude, you first made the childish remarks : http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=446153&forumid=2605#xx446153xx[^] you don't know your ass from your head.:-D Later,
JoeSox
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Mike Mullikin wrote: When the childish insults start, I know I've hit a nerve and someone feels threatened. Dude, you first made the childish remarks : http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=446153&forumid=2605#xx446153xx[^] you don't know your ass from your head.:-D Later,
JoeSox
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Where specifically have I insulted anyone? Mike Mullikin :beer:
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His guy lost an election and he can't handle it. Plain & simple. Now he'll tell you all about brother Jeb in Florida and the "awful" Supreme Court and the silly Electoral College and all manner of other nonsense. He'll convieniently ignore the fact that every single post-election investigation of the Florida vote counts make Bush the winner. He'll ignore the fact that the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish. He certainly won't point out the 100's of thousands of "bad" ballots in such Democratic strongholds as Chicago, LA, San Fransisco, Boston, etc... :mad: Later,
JoeSox
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sometimes in (american) football, there's a play that goes very badly for the offense, and some unsuspecting defensive player miraculously ends up with the ball. after standing there bewildered for a second or two, not sure exactly what to do (since he's never had the ball before in a real game), he starts running downfield. while the (former) offense stands there equally as bewildered, not sure if a ref will throw a flag and stop the play, or if they should chase the guy with the ball, just in case. seconds tick by, then the offense realizes they can't catch the guy cause he's already 30 yeards downfield, and it looks like he's gonna score, no matter what anyone does. that's what this whole GWB presidency feels like, to me. somebody fumbled, GWB got the ball, but nobody on either side knew if the play was still legal. GWB wasn't sure either at first, but then he took off running. he got his chance thanks to a lucky call in an iffy situation and now he's halfway down the field and nobody knows what he's gonna do. he's not even sure what he's suppposed to do - he wasn't trained for this! so he's just running as fast as he can. will he score? will he trip over himself in his excitement? will he run into the crowd and kill a bunch of people? -c
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His guy lost an election and he can't handle it. Plain & simple. Now he'll tell you all about brother Jeb in Florida and the "awful" Supreme Court and the silly Electoral College and all manner of other nonsense. He'll convieniently ignore the fact that every single post-election investigation of the Florida vote counts make Bush the winner. He'll ignore the fact that the Electoral College has been around for 200 years and whining about it after the fact is childish. He certainly won't point out the 100's of thousands of "bad" ballots in such Democratic strongholds as Chicago, LA, San Fransisco, Boston, etc... :mad: Later,
JoeSox
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You are kidding... right? Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Mike Mullikin wrote: You are kidding... right? no. You said Chris was being childish in this statement[^]: "and whining about it after the fact is childish." also saying[^], "Apparently he's not alone." is not exactly being an adult either. as far as my 1st insult[^] I thought was rather adult like;P calling someone childish or even implying it, is childish in itself. Anyway, my point is made. I still don't understand your comment "Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies." to my question... "please tell me who runs these post-election investigations" so you are saying their are around 12 news agencies that did investigations. I highly doubt it, they might have reported it and looked into the proceedings but I don't think they did professional investigations. I am just asking for links or your sources to back up your statement. If you can't provide them well then just say so. Later,
JoeSox
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Mike Mullikin wrote: You are kidding... right? no. You said Chris was being childish in this statement[^]: "and whining about it after the fact is childish." also saying[^], "Apparently he's not alone." is not exactly being an adult either. as far as my 1st insult[^] I thought was rather adult like;P calling someone childish or even implying it, is childish in itself. Anyway, my point is made. I still don't understand your comment "Oh about a dozen or so different news agencies." to my question... "please tell me who runs these post-election investigations" so you are saying their are around 12 news agencies that did investigations. I highly doubt it, they might have reported it and looked into the proceedings but I don't think they did professional investigations. I am just asking for links or your sources to back up your statement. If you can't provide them well then just say so. Later,
JoeSox
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Rolling Stoneshttp://www.norc.org/fl/index.asp http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/ildet.htm http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/gadet.htm Some interesting data. As for the insults. Chris and I have been sparring for a long time and words like childish aren't insults just little barbs. Anyway, he can defend himself quite well. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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http://www.norc.org/fl/index.asp http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/ildet.htm http://www.gwu.edu/~action/states/gadet.htm Some interesting data. As for the insults. Chris and I have been sparring for a long time and words like childish aren't insults just little barbs. Anyway, he can defend himself quite well. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Thanks I'll check it out when I get time, but I don't see "a dozen or so".:-D I am particularly interest who is in charge of these organizations and how they are running things. Later,
JoeSox
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Rolling Stones -
sometimes in (american) football, there's a play that goes very badly for the offense, and some unsuspecting defensive player miraculously ends up with the ball. after standing there bewildered for a second or two, not sure exactly what to do (since he's never had the ball before in a real game), he starts running downfield. while the (former) offense stands there equally as bewildered, not sure if a ref will throw a flag and stop the play, or if they should chase the guy with the ball, just in case. seconds tick by, then the offense realizes they can't catch the guy cause he's already 30 yeards downfield, and it looks like he's gonna score, no matter what anyone does. that's what this whole GWB presidency feels like, to me. somebody fumbled, GWB got the ball, but nobody on either side knew if the play was still legal. GWB wasn't sure either at first, but then he took off running. he got his chance thanks to a lucky call in an iffy situation and now he's halfway down the field and nobody knows what he's gonna do. he's not even sure what he's suppposed to do - he wasn't trained for this! so he's just running as fast as he can. will he score? will he trip over himself in his excitement? will he run into the crowd and kill a bunch of people? -c
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Interesting analogy - except its about sports :eek: Elaine The tigress is here :-D