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  • R Roger Wright

    Once upon a time an army of ragtag, socially undesirable misfits took up arms against an Imperialist power and defeated it, replacing an unresponsive and repressive monarchy with the rule of a Constitution constructed on the precept that all men are equals, and deserve equal treatment and maximum freedom to pursue their dreams uninhibited by government restriction. It worked rather well for a couple hundred years, but it has recently taken a turn for the ugly, and the government born of the idealistic dreams of a nation of castaways has grown increasingly tyranical. It has been clear for a generation that change is overdue, and that the trend of current events is against the common man. The inhabitants of this land have strived to make changes by due process, within the laws prescribed by their Constitution, but their efforts have been constantly defeated by a court system that considers itself to be a power for revisionism and reform, rather than restricting its decisions to the role of interpretation prescribed by law. Things are only growing worse, and lawful action is seemingly less effective each passing day. Is it possible for a popular revolution to succeed in the modern world? This country was formed when a bunch of farmers took up their muskets and challenged the world's greatest superpower. At the time, that ruling army was staffed by men who believed that wearing bright red suits and marching in straight lines down country lanes was a smart way to do battle. The weapons they bore were essentially the same as those owned by the angry farmers who opposed them, but the farmers had the nasty habit of hiding behind trees - not very sporting, but effective. Today the populace is armed to some extent, but with only hunting arms, few if any explosives, no modern intel systems, no armor, communications systems that can be easily disabled with a phone call from the government, and an ID-based economy that makes it childsplay to track the movements and activities of any individual. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that a revolution is overdue and that the sheep that inhabit this land might be stirred to attempt one, is there any possible way that the people could prevail over the government? Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

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    Jason Henderson
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    It depends on what type of revolution it is. Don't think for a second that some communist fifth-column could ever grab control here. The people wouldn't let it happen. You must have popular backing of the people if you want your revolution to last.

    Jason Henderson
    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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    • C Chris Losinger

      more on "terrorism": the PATRIOT act defines a terrorist as someone who uses a weapon or other dangerous device to damage persons or property with intent to coerce or intimidate government or civillian populations. so, that covers just about everything. -c

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      So any aggressor with a political motive is a terrorist. Like, ummm...., the US. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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      • J JoeSox

        Roger Wright wrote: is there any possible way that the people could prevail over the government? Non-Violent way: Vote for third party candidates. Personally get involved with your local government, any thing you(people) can do to reform presidential elections. Roger Wright wrote: Is it possible for a popular revolution to succeed in the modern world? Sure, why not. Look at history. I guess we could break out in civil war and the Leaders would be the ones with the most guns and money? Maybe the Mobs running the wars? And the UN watching, or maybe fighting on one side to re-establish "democracy"??:confused::-D http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/14romefell.html[^] Later,
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        JoeSox wrote: maybe fighting on one side to re-establish "democracy"?? Who says the revolutionaries want a democracy?

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          So any aggressor with a political motive is a terrorist. Like, ummm...., the US. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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          brianwelsch wrote: Like, ummm...., the US. well, yeah. but good luck trying to win that case. :) -c

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            JoeSox wrote: maybe fighting on one side to re-establish "democracy"?? Who says the revolutionaries want a democracy?

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            Jason Henderson wrote: Who says the revolutionaries want a democracy? true, maybe....uhhh Communism? :-D Later,
            JoeSox
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            • R Roger Wright

              Once upon a time an army of ragtag, socially undesirable misfits took up arms against an Imperialist power and defeated it, replacing an unresponsive and repressive monarchy with the rule of a Constitution constructed on the precept that all men are equals, and deserve equal treatment and maximum freedom to pursue their dreams uninhibited by government restriction. It worked rather well for a couple hundred years, but it has recently taken a turn for the ugly, and the government born of the idealistic dreams of a nation of castaways has grown increasingly tyranical. It has been clear for a generation that change is overdue, and that the trend of current events is against the common man. The inhabitants of this land have strived to make changes by due process, within the laws prescribed by their Constitution, but their efforts have been constantly defeated by a court system that considers itself to be a power for revisionism and reform, rather than restricting its decisions to the role of interpretation prescribed by law. Things are only growing worse, and lawful action is seemingly less effective each passing day. Is it possible for a popular revolution to succeed in the modern world? This country was formed when a bunch of farmers took up their muskets and challenged the world's greatest superpower. At the time, that ruling army was staffed by men who believed that wearing bright red suits and marching in straight lines down country lanes was a smart way to do battle. The weapons they bore were essentially the same as those owned by the angry farmers who opposed them, but the farmers had the nasty habit of hiding behind trees - not very sporting, but effective. Today the populace is armed to some extent, but with only hunting arms, few if any explosives, no modern intel systems, no armor, communications systems that can be easily disabled with a phone call from the government, and an ID-based economy that makes it childsplay to track the movements and activities of any individual. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that a revolution is overdue and that the sheep that inhabit this land might be stirred to attempt one, is there any possible way that the people could prevail over the government? Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

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              You have television and fast food. Result - people can't be bothered with a revolution ! The tigress is here :-D

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                Jason Henderson wrote: Who says the revolutionaries want a democracy? true, maybe....uhhh Communism? :-D Later,
                JoeSox
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                http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html[^] Sounds plausible to me. But if that happens, I'll even go buy a gun and fight against them.

                Jason Henderson
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                  Roger Wright wrote: The American public has been effectively disarmed by its government important note here: the Iraqi government doesn't prohibit people from owning guns. in fact, Iraqis have a lot of guns. why didn't they use them to overthrow Saddam? probably because Saddam has bigger guns. -c

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                  Exactly. Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

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                    http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html[^] Sounds plausible to me. But if that happens, I'll even go buy a gun and fight against them.

                    Jason Henderson
                    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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                    JoeSox
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                    Article Reads: Others wonder if knowing the fringe politics of the people paying the bills might keep some demonstrators off the streets. I guess I am wondering too. A clear money trail on that story.:eek: Later,
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                      http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html[^] Sounds plausible to me. But if that happens, I'll even go buy a gun and fight against them.

                      Jason Henderson
                      "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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                      don't confuse the organizers with the demonstrators. i'm sure that 90% of the people out there didn't research the politics of the group who paid for the toilets - there are (were) more important things to worry about. i didn't go to any marches. and one reason was because i didn't agree with ANSWER or any of the other groups who are essentially hijacking a valid and reasonable cause in order to advance their other causes. one other reason i didn't march is because i know my local and state politicians don't give a fuck what we actually think, between election cycles anyway. -c

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                        don't confuse the organizers with the demonstrators. i'm sure that 90% of the people out there didn't research the politics of the group who paid for the toilets - there are (were) more important things to worry about. i didn't go to any marches. and one reason was because i didn't agree with ANSWER or any of the other groups who are essentially hijacking a valid and reasonable cause in order to advance their other causes. one other reason i didn't march is because i know my local and state politicians don't give a fuck what we actually think, between election cycles anyway. -c

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                        Chris Losinger wrote: don't confuse the organizers with the demonstrators. I'm not. Chris Losinger wrote: i'm sure that 90% of the people out there didn't research the politics of the group who paid for the toilets they should.

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                        • R Roger Wright

                          Brad Jennings wrote: As powerful as hunting rifles are, they are no match for a tank. Nor is a commercial AK-47 any match for a military M-16. Even dynamite is relatively ineffective compared to C-4, and recent legislation has made it extremely difficult to obtain black gunpowder, or even ammonium nitrate fertilizer. A popular uprising would be doomed from the start, without the tacit support of the military, and that would leave the door wide open to a military coup. Such a cure would be worse than the disease. Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

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                          Roger Wright wrote: Even dynamite is relatively ineffective compared to C-4, and recent legislation has made it extremely difficult to obtain black gunpowder, or even ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Yeah, but the government can't ban everything that can be made into an explosive. If I remember correctly, the anarchist cookbook had a recipe for C-4, dried and crushed banana peels is a great substitute for black powder, and ammonium nitrate fertilizer is readily available if you know the right farmers. Not that I would ever raise arm against my country, just saying that there are ways. Roger Wright wrote: Such a cure would be worse than the disease. I agree with you completely here, I hope I never see such a day. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

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