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  • B benjymous

    I didn't think I'd make a political post, but after hearing Bush's speech, notably the phrase "War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders." ", I can't help wondering what the definition of a war crime actually is? Is invading a country without the backing of the UN a war crime, and aren't the US and British soldiers involved in all of this just following orders? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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    Mike Gaskey
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    If you need some help with a definition, try this link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html[^] Mike

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    • B benjymous

      I didn't think I'd make a political post, but after hearing Bush's speech, notably the phrase "War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders." ", I can't help wondering what the definition of a war crime actually is? Is invading a country without the backing of the UN a war crime, and aren't the US and British soldiers involved in all of this just following orders? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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      Stan Shannon
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      It would certainly be a nice change of pace if the international community had the guts to do something about someone. I hope the world does put the US on trial for war crimes - it should be good for a few laughs watching them try to organize that effort.:laugh: "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        If you need some help with a definition, try this link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html[^] Mike

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        Jason Henderson
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        I read this last night and about got sick to my stomach. Human shredding. :shiver: X| I'm just glad the suffering will soon end.

        Jason Henderson
        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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        • M Mike Gaskey

          If you need some help with a definition, try this link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html[^] Mike

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          peterchen
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          Ohh right - the one thing where the US doesn#t want to be judged, I remember.


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          • P peterchen

            Ohh right - the one thing where the US doesn#t want to be judged, I remember.


            Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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            Mike Gaskey
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            peterchen wrote: Ohh right - the one thing where the US doesn#t want to be judged, I remember. Sure, take a shot. Oh, you mean that we did something wrong when we refused to subordinate our soverignity to some silly little band of folks there in old Europe. I'll take that crap serious when: 1) you actually appoint a chief prosecutor, 2) you put Chirac on trial for selling illegal materials to Iraq. Mike

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            • J Jason Henderson

              I read this last night and about got sick to my stomach. Human shredding. :shiver: X| I'm just glad the suffering will soon end.

              Jason Henderson
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              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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              I daren't even look. :(( Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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              • M Mike Gaskey

                peterchen wrote: Ohh right - the one thing where the US doesn#t want to be judged, I remember. Sure, take a shot. Oh, you mean that we did something wrong when we refused to subordinate our soverignity to some silly little band of folks there in old Europe. I'll take that crap serious when: 1) you actually appoint a chief prosecutor, 2) you put Chirac on trial for selling illegal materials to Iraq. Mike

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                peterchen
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                You were not willing to submit yourself to the same laws you are now claiming to defend. That's it. And if it's for "selling illegal material to iraq", the Reactor Iraq got from the french was still legal those days, If I remember? And then, US and German companies would be the first before this, ain't it so?


                Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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                • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

                  I daren't even look. :(( Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

                  "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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                  You really should.:~ X| Mike

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                  • S Stan Shannon

                    It would certainly be a nice change of pace if the international community had the guts to do something about someone. I hope the world does put the US on trial for war crimes - it should be good for a few laughs watching them try to organize that effort.:laugh: "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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                    peterchen
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                    X| Sounds like the opinion of an arrogant digestive byproduct exit opening to me. (Not saying that you are one, of course... :cool: )


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                    • P peterchen

                      X| Sounds like the opinion of an arrogant digestive byproduct exit opening to me. (Not saying that you are one, of course... :cool: )


                      Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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                      peterchen wrote: Sounds like the opinion of an arrogant digestive byproduct exit opening to me :laugh: Serously, though, if the actions of the US inspire the formation of a trully affective international system to replace the obviously defective UN, wouldn't this entire mess have been worth it in the long run? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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                      • P peterchen

                        You were not willing to submit yourself to the same laws you are now claiming to defend. That's it. And if it's for "selling illegal material to iraq", the Reactor Iraq got from the french was still legal those days, If I remember? And then, US and German companies would be the first before this, ain't it so?


                        Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
                        sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

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                        peterchen wrote: the Reactor Iraq got from the french was still legal those days, If I remember? I wasn't talking about the reactor. This was a reference to the illegal rocket fuel transaction that was recently exposed. Mike

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                        • S Stan Shannon

                          peterchen wrote: Sounds like the opinion of an arrogant digestive byproduct exit opening to me :laugh: Serously, though, if the actions of the US inspire the formation of a trully affective international system to replace the obviously defective UN, wouldn't this entire mess have been worth it in the long run? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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                          peterchen
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                          Stan Shannon wrote: a truly effective international system I'd be in for this but a) it can be morally legitimate only if the US is bound to it as well as anyone else b) the only outcome of the current international situation I see is a world pistolero-sherrif. rarely my expectations of an "effective international system".


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                          • S Stan Shannon

                            It would certainly be a nice change of pace if the international community had the guts to do something about someone. I hope the world does put the US on trial for war crimes - it should be good for a few laughs watching them try to organize that effort.:laugh: "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.

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                            I suppose this could be read as "an international court ruled against the US" or "the international community is powerless in the face of resistance": In 1984, the government of Nicaragua appealed to the International Court of Justice; the court found, in 1986, that the US had carried out an illegal war — what many observers have referred to as "state terrorism." The United Nations affirmed the decision, which included a finding for damages estimated at over $10 billion. Neither the court nor the UN had the power to enforce the ruling, however, and the US government ignored it. After a 1990 election, Nicaragua's revolutionary government was replaced by an American-backed administration. The new government withdrew the World Court claim. http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/39/leaders/5.html[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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                            • J Jason Henderson

                              I read this last night and about got sick to my stomach. Human shredding. :shiver: X| I'm just glad the suffering will soon end.

                              Jason Henderson
                              "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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                              KaRl
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                              If you want to be informed about all the atrocities committed through the world, look at Amnesty website. Iraq is not the only one to be a bloody dictatorship X|


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                              • J Jason Henderson

                                I read this last night and about got sick to my stomach. Human shredding. :shiver: X| I'm just glad the suffering will soon end.

                                Jason Henderson
                                "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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                                David Wulff
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                                Jason Henderson wrote: I'm just glad the suffering will soon end Oh come on Jason, I know you weren't born yesterday so don't give me that crap. You'll just as soon turn the other cheek when it isn't the hip thing to be interested in anymore. No point breaking old habbits now. [you can be anyone you want it to be]


                                David Wulff

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                                  peterchen wrote: Ohh right - the one thing where the US doesn#t want to be judged, I remember. Sure, take a shot. Oh, you mean that we did something wrong when we refused to subordinate our soverignity to some silly little band of folks there in old Europe. I'll take that crap serious when: 1) you actually appoint a chief prosecutor, 2) you put Chirac on trial for selling illegal materials to Iraq. Mike

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                                  David Wulff
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                                  Man thanks for the laugh - I needed that! :laugh: :cool:


                                  David Wulff

                                  "Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

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