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  • J JoeSox

    "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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    JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. People will still die, right?

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      "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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      Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?


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        Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?


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        No, they're like Vietnamese villages.

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          "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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          JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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            No, they're like Vietnamese villages.

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            yaname wrote: they're like Vietnamese villages Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? :omg:


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              JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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              Chris Maunder wrote: Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. and a da** site meaner. Mike

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                Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?


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                KaЯl wrote: Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. 15 already have and they've been turn over to Kuwati authorities. "rumor" (news reported in the US) report that xx,000 are ready to surrender in the north once activities start. Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field. I suspect there is "some" truth to the reports although I think some of this is just propaganda, possibly for the Iraqis themselves. Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts. Mike

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                  KaЯl wrote: Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. 15 already have and they've been turn over to Kuwati authorities. "rumor" (news reported in the US) report that xx,000 are ready to surrender in the north once activities start. Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field. I suspect there is "some" truth to the reports although I think some of this is just propaganda, possibly for the Iraqis themselves. Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts. Mike

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                  Mike Gaskey wrote: Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Mike Gaskey wrote: Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts And refused the use of its bases.


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                    JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    Chris Maunder wrote: the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. ...and much better looking. :-D Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                      Mike Gaskey wrote: Also reported is the "fact" that members of the US command have the cell phone numbers of and have been in communication with Iraqi commanders in the field So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Mike Gaskey wrote: Also just reported, Turkey has given overflight permission once it starts And refused the use of its bases.


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                      KaЯl wrote: So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Logically you would / could - and I hope that happens. As I commented though, I think the cell phone business is propaganda designed for Iraqi consumption. The reporting further stated that the Iraqi commanders were told (literally) to point the cannon on their tanks towards the ground or to the rear. Continuing.. they were also told to lay down their arms and head back to their barracks. Officers were to be allowed to keep a handgun. KaЯl wrote: And refused the use of its bases. That was the news last week. The overflight permission was just granted. They're reportedly going to conduct another vote on the basing issue - I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. Mike

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                        Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?


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                        I think most of the Iraki first line of defense will surrender quite fast, they are not supposed to be the best of the Iraki army, a bit like in GW v1.0; they will surrender because they are not well equipped and probably starving and thirsty. All of these prisoners will need to be taken care of, and will put pressure on the US/UK/and the rest, to "debrief" them. The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy. Max.


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                          JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. People will still die, right?

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                          Paul Watson wrote: People will still die, right? yes, but nobody we know personally, so it's OK. -c


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                            yaname wrote: they're like Vietnamese villages Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? :omg:


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                            KaЯl wrote: Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? Yes, of course. How else are we going to make it through the dense vegetation of the desert? :laugh: -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

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                              KaЯl wrote: So, isn't it possible to negociate local surrenders before beginning the air campaign? Logically you would / could - and I hope that happens. As I commented though, I think the cell phone business is propaganda designed for Iraqi consumption. The reporting further stated that the Iraqi commanders were told (literally) to point the cannon on their tanks towards the ground or to the rear. Continuing.. they were also told to lay down their arms and head back to their barracks. Officers were to be allowed to keep a handgun. KaЯl wrote: And refused the use of its bases. That was the news last week. The overflight permission was just granted. They're reportedly going to conduct another vote on the basing issue - I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. Mike

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                              Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.


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                                I think most of the Iraki first line of defense will surrender quite fast, they are not supposed to be the best of the Iraki army, a bit like in GW v1.0; they will surrender because they are not well equipped and probably starving and thirsty. All of these prisoners will need to be taken care of, and will put pressure on the US/UK/and the rest, to "debrief" them. The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy. Max.


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                                Maximilien wrote: The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy I also fear a big resistance from SH tribe, around his native town.


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                                  Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.


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                                  I think we agree here. Even though we differ on the over all Iraq issue (or the US approach) it would probably cause untold harm to the Turkish people and the country overall if the populace disagrees so severly. Mike

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                                    KaЯl wrote: Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? Yes, of course. How else are we going to make it through the dense vegetation of the desert? :laugh: -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

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                                    :laugh::laugh:


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                                      JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                        "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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                                        JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Don't believe it for a minute. no matter how successful the Allied campaign is, people are going to die. I don't think that is something we should take lightly. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                                          "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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                                          May I be picky again? Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender.


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